Popular Post Walker88 Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 25 minutes ago, EastBayRay said: This is good to hear. christianity and love of your country are 2 bedrocks of our great USA "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.". ---John Adams It seems the Founding Fathers disagree with you. 4 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Walker88 Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 trump and his Talibangicals are everything teachers, parents and even rational religious leaders warned people not to be. Most Americans, even those who attend church, do not want the USA to be West Afghanistan. Molon labe, KKKristians.....bring on The Second Coming....of President Biden! 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Walker88 said: trump and his Talibangicals are everything teachers, parents and even rational religious leaders warned people not to be. Most Americans, even those who attend church, do not want the USA to be West Afghanistan. Molon labe, KKKristians.....bring on The Second Coming....of President Biden! Same as 2020. It doesn't matter if Biden is tool old. Dems aren't enamoured with identity politics, unlike the GOP. Few voted for Biden in 2020, they mostly voted against Trump. The same will happen this year. Down votes from this and abortion will decimate the Republican party of extremism. Edited February 23 by ozimoron 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredwiggy Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 On 2/21/2024 at 2:41 PM, soalbundy said: I agree, also there is no mention of America being a Christian nation in any of its statutes. One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all............... Part of the Pledge of Allegiance........... Christians account for 63% of the religions, although some don't understand that America is not just one type of people but people from everywhere, all religions, races and nationalities. Stats just say the before mentioned. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said: One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all............... Part of the Pledge of Allegiance........... Christians account for 63% of the religions, although some don't understand that America is not just one type of people but people from everywhere, all religions, races and nationalities. Stats just say the before mentioned. It doesn't specify which god. The christian nationalists are dead scared that the 63% will fall to below 50% and want to do everyhting in their power to make sure it doesn't. That said, the 63% way over counts as many nominal christians, like me, are irreligious. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredwiggy Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, ozimoron said: It doesn't specify which god. The christian nationalists are dead scared that the 63% will fall to below 50% and want to do everyhting in their power to make sure it doesn't. That said, the 63% way over counts as many nominal christians, like me, are irreligious. Besides the truth there is only one God, seeing if there were more than one, we would surely see them trying to outdo the other with things we would observe, the US Pledge is meant to be about God, the one and only. It doesn't say Under all gods. You doubt the existence of a God, meaning you aren't a true Christian. A true Christian believes in God through his son, Jesus. You might believe in God but not religion. I was a former Catholic, but now simply a Christian, because some of the things Catholics do aren't necessary and man made. When a poll was made, it took into account Christians, believers in Jesus.The definition........... What is Christian nominalism? a Christian nominalist is one who claims the name Christian, but who has no authentic, personal, sin-forgiving and life-changing relationship with Jesus Christ. His allegiance to Jesus is in name, not heart. ( 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi49jr Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 22 minutes ago, fredwiggy said: with liberty and justice for all. How does that compute with (white) Christian nationalism? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rudi49jr Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 (edited) 9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said: You doubt the existence of a God, meaning you aren't a true Christian And who died and made you God to tell someone they’re not a true Christian? Seems an awful lot like Pride, one of the 7 deadly sins. Edited February 23 by rudi49jr 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said: Besides the truth there is only one God, seeing if there were more than one, we would surely see them trying to outdo the other with things we would observe, the US Pledge is meant to be about God, the one and only. It doesn't say Under all gods. You doubt the existence of a God, meaning you aren't a true Christian. A true Christian believes in God through his son, Jesus. You might believe in God but not religion. I was a former Catholic, but now simply a Christian, because some of the things Catholics do aren't necessary and man made. When a poll was made, it took into account Christians, believers in Jesus.The definition........... What is Christian nominalism? a Christian nominalist is one who claims the name Christian, but who has no authentic, personal, sin-forgiving and life-changing relationship with Jesus Christ. His allegiance to Jesus is in name, not heart. ( How do you account for muslims then? The christian nationalists certainly don't. They don't want the koran recited in schools but are happy with christian prayer and excerpts from the bible pasted all over taxpayer funded school walls. . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredwiggy Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, rudi49jr said: And who made you God to tell someone they’re not a true Christian? Seems an awful lot like Pride, one of the 7 deadly sins. It isn't my deal to judge. I just go by what's written, easily googled. I would hope everyone would believe in God. Would end a lot of killings and pain, although not all, because there will always be hypocrites. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 On 2/21/2024 at 2:43 PM, rudi49jr said: It’s a total mystery to me how the evangelicals, all those born again hypocrites, can embrace Trump, possibly the least Christian man in the world, as their messiah and savior. What Trump needs is an exorcism, not the support of the evangelicals. They've sold their souls if they ever had souls for a transactional deal with a wannabe fascist American dictator. Trump cares only about himself. If you can help him, he's on board. If not, you're the enemy. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, fredwiggy said: It isn't my deal to judge. I just go by what's written, easily googled. I would hope everyone would believe in God. Would end a lot of killings and pain, although not all, because there will always be hypocrites. You just went far beyond what is written in the constitution. I would hope nobody believed in god because the social intolerance we see is a cancer on society. . 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredwiggy Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: How do you account for muslims then? The christian nationalists certainly don't. They don't want the koran recited in schools but are happy with christian prayer and excerpts from the bible pasted all over taxpayer funded school walls. . Muslims believe in God. There will always be radicals even in Christianity. The US has it's share of hypocrites and weird thinking people. Change happens. Just takes time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rudi49jr Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 (edited) 8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said: It isn't my deal to judge. I just go by what's written, That’s a cop out if ever I read one. ‘I was just following orders’ comes to mind. If you literally follow what’s written, then of course you’re judging, don’t blame it on what’s written. You believe in that, so you have to take responsibility for it when you follow that. You really hit the nail right on the head when you said there will always be hypocrites, though. Edited February 23 by rudi49jr 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 Just now, fredwiggy said: Muslims believe in God. There will always be radicals even in Christianity. The US has it's share of hypocrites and weird thinking people. Change happens. Just takes time. The issue here is not that they believe in god but some are nationalists and want to exclude anyone other than christians. The constitution says no government can install any one religion in power. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredwiggy Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: You just went far beyond what is written in the constitution. I would hope nobody believed in god because the social intolerance we see is a cancer on society. . Laws are meant to be judged, changed, adjusted. First part is ridding the world, congress, everywhere, of narcissist leaders. That takes time, as they have a lot of power and money behind the. Trump is one of them, voted in by half of my family and spurned by the other. I saw him for what he was years ago, and some can't see this. A lot think a lot of money made means you're smart, good, slick, whatever. It can also mean sly, scammer, liar, cheater and a friend of the same. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredwiggy Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, rudi49jr said: That’s a cop out if ever I read one. ‘I was just following orders’ comes to mind. If you literally follow what’s written, then of course you’re judging, don’t blame it on what’s written. You believe in that, so you have to take responsibility for it when you follow that. You really hit the nail right on the head when you said there will always be hypocrites. I simply believe in God for my own reasons. I cannot judge others. I just typed in what I saw written. Polls are made, and some are legitimate, some aren't. I don't follow any orders by anyone. Following what's written isn't judging. It's taking a side. I took that side when I was a child and haven't wavered, and won't. My belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, fredwiggy said: One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all............... Part of the Pledge of Allegiance........... Christians account for 63% of the religions, although some don't understand that America is not just one type of people but people from everywhere, all religions, races and nationalities. Stats just say the before mentioned. The pledge of allegiance is not a legal document. In fact, i the original version was a creation of a socialist, Francis Bellamy. It was only in 1954,, during the Red Scare, that "under God" was added to the text. Edited February 23 by placeholder 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredwiggy Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 8 minutes ago, ozimoron said: You just went far beyond what is written in the constitution. I would hope nobody believed in god because the social intolerance we see is a cancer on society. . I was responding to a poll on the amount of Christians in the US, not what the constitution says about religion. It is meant to stay neutral. I look at the US as all religions, nationalities of the world living (hopefully eventually) in harmony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredwiggy Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, placeholder said: The pledge of allegiance is not a legal document. In fact, i the original version was a creation of a Christian socialist, Francis Bellamy. It was only in 1954,, during the Red Scare, that "under God" was added to the text. True. I was again just responding rather anonymously, that the US has a larger percentage of Christians than other faiths. Doesn't mean I support anything. To each his own is what the US is supposed to be about. It hasn't followed that the way it should, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoner Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 i have heard lots of presidents over the last 40 years end speeches with...... and god bless the united states of america. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 12 minutes ago, fredwiggy said: True. I was again just responding rather anonymously, that the US has a larger percentage of Christians than other faiths. Doesn't mean I support anything. To each his own is what the US is supposed to be about. It hasn't followed that the way it should, yet. A larger but rapidly declining percentage. Only 49% of millennials describe themselves as Christian 40%, say they have no religious affiliation. And the rest follow other religions. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post johnnybangkok Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 4 hours ago, JonnyF said: Christian values AND nationalism? Wow, this is going to get the lefties really riled up. Probably why they did it. Your obsession with 'owning the Libs' or 'Lefties' constantly blinds you to what are very obviously bad things. You are already seeing the influence these Christian Nationalists have had with the overturning of Roe v Wade and the numerous states who are now introducing even more restrictions on women, with Alabama now declaring that eggs used in IVF are actually children (what complete nonsense). Further influence from these people will only result in even more polorisation for women, ethnics and people of other faith, and Trump (probably the most unchristian of people) is gladly jumping on the band-wagon as he desperately needs their votes. This is yet another reason why this man is so dangerous and needs to be soundly beaten at the ballot box. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, stoner said: i have heard lots of presidents over the last 40 years end speeches with...... and god bless the united states of america. That's because, like most politicians, they believe in invoking unpopular sentiments no matter what the political cost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker88 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 39 minutes ago, fredwiggy said: Besides the truth there is only one God, seeing if there were more than one, we would surely see them trying to outdo the other with things we would observe, the US Pledge is meant to be about God, the one and only. It doesn't say Under all gods. You doubt the existence of a God, meaning you aren't a true Christian. A true Christian believes in God through his son, Jesus. You might believe in God but not religion. I was a former Catholic, but now simply a Christian, because some of the things Catholics do aren't necessary and man made. When a poll was made, it took into account Christians, believers in Jesus.The definition........... What is Christian nominalism? a Christian nominalist is one who claims the name Christian, but who has no authentic, personal, sin-forgiving and life-changing relationship with Jesus Christ. His allegiance to Jesus is in name, not heart. ( All societies invented gods. Dr Robert Sapolsky has a wonderful explanation why he thinks that is a commonality among humans, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with any gods, but rather stress reduction in a random Universe (on the individual level). The US is NOT Christian nation, and the Bible has zero part in how the nation should be run, anymore than the nation should be run by what's in The Cat in the Hat, Catcher in the Rye or the Bhagavad Gita.. The Constitution is good enough, as it allows all beliefs, including the belief that there isn't one, two, ten or a few million gods. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarius Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 The term Christian is misused almost all of the time. Personally I believe in Jesus' teachings but I abhor organised religion of any sort. The Sermon on the mount is the peak of morals and ethics for me. But Jesus came to sweep away the Old Testament and its 10 commandments. But todays' American Christians know nothing of Jesus' teachings, and are fed the Jewish version ie the Old Testament a Vengeful Good and a vengeful way of life. They value warmongering and 'nuking' 'em' policies. So what this really means is 'Jewish nationalist agenda' and is nothing about 'Christian nationalism' or 'Christian values'. There is no escaping this, because the words right out of Jesus' mouth were 'blessed are the peacemakers' not "blessed are the warmakers and the Military Industrial Complex for they shall make money" 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarius Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, rudi49jr said: I don’t hate Christians. I hate hypocrites claiming to be Christians. See the difference? Did Jesus preach hating anyone? No, he didn't. Sorry pal but you are the hypocrite pretending to be a Christian. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 11 minutes ago, retarius said: The term Christian is misused almost all of the time. Personally I believe in Jesus' teachings but I abhor organised religion of any sort. The Sermon on the mount is the peak of morals and ethics for me. But Jesus came to sweep away the Old Testament and its 10 commandments. But todays' American Christians know nothing of Jesus' teachings, and are fed the Jewish version ie the Old Testament a Vengeful Good and a vengeful way of life. They value warmongering and 'nuking' 'em' policies. So what this really means is 'Jewish nationalist agenda' and is nothing about 'Christian nationalism' or 'Christian values'. There is no escaping this, because the words right out of Jesus' mouth were 'blessed are the peacemakers' not "blessed are the warmakers and the Military Industrial Complex for they shall make money" Jesus also said "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36)." So maybe Jesus was, after all, just another one of those vengeful Jews that anti-Semites like you are so fond of postulating? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, rudi49jr said: If those are not Christian values, then why do so many evangelicals support Trump? His bible seems to contain the exact opposite of what the evangelicals claim they believe in. I wasn’t aware that I was being Christianophobic. I have no problems with Christians, used to be one myself. As long as they leave other people be, they can believe in anything they want, as far as I’m concerned. I was just trying to point out the enormous hypocrisy of the evangelical movement. Claiming to be Christians, yet supporting a guy who is anything but Christian. You might be find these articles interesting: https://ash.harvard.edu/christian-zionism-religious-right-and-donald-trump-history’s-role-contemporary-politics https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/christian-right-worships-donald-trump-915381/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi49jr Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 17 minutes ago, retarius said: Did Jesus preach hating anyone? No, he didn't. Sorry pal but you are the hypocrite pretending to be a Christian. You really have no idea what you’re on about, do you? I never claimed to be a Christian. Just wanted to point out the hypocrisy of the evangelicals, who claim to be Christians, yet are anything but. And if there’s anything I really can’t stand, it’s those ‘holier than thou’ hypocrites. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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