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Controversy erupts as Thai doctors clash over mRNA vaccine effect


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27 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Not sure about the varacity of these numbers but it is interesting.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-001201_EN.html

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) reported that 11 448 people have died in the EU following COVID-19 vaccines[1],

8 368 following Pfizer BioNTech vaccinations (which is 1 345 more deaths in 2022).

1 579 following AstraZeneca vaccinations.

1 161 following Moderna vaccinations.

339 following Janssen vaccinations.

1 following Nuvaxovid vaccinations.

0 following (inactivated, adjuvanted) Valneva vaccinations.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccines-safety-update-8-december-2022_en.pdf

 

The source document states that these figures are simply reports of death (or side effects) that incurred after injection. There is no further data to determine whether the vaccine was the cause.

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22 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Fairly sure the families who have lost people because of MRnA vaccines would love to meet you in person to discuss this low number with you. Also the thousands of those injured by the vaccines. Fair chance they wouldn't see things the way you do.

What were the underlying factors? How old were they?

 

Do you ride in cars on Thai roads?

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36 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Not sure about the varacity of these numbers but it is interesting.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-001201_EN.html

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) reported that 11 448 people have died in the EU following COVID-19 vaccines[1],

8 368 following Pfizer BioNTech vaccinations (which is 1 345 more deaths in 2022).

1 579 following AstraZeneca vaccinations.

1 161 following Moderna vaccinations.

339 following Janssen vaccinations.

1 following Nuvaxovid vaccinations.

0 following (inactivated, adjuvanted) Valneva vaccinations.

 

Following the link in the linked link,

 

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These reports describe suspected side effects in individuals, i.e. medical events observed following the use of a vaccine. The fact that someone has had a medical issue or died after vaccination does not necessarily mean that this was caused by the vaccine. This may have been caused, for example, by health problems not related to the vaccination.

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccines-safety-update-8-december-2022_en.pdf

 

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20 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Do you know what this means? If not look it up. Ad hominem. 

 

I looked it up.  Definitely questioning the logic of the argument, not the motivation.

 

 
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ad hominem /hŏm′ə-nĕm″, -nəm/

adjective

  1. Attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument.
    "Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents' motives."
  2. Appealing to the emotions rather than to logic or reason.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition

 

 

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11 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

It has also caused some doctors in Germany to be concerned. My brother in the UK has been off work with 'long covid' for two years after being vaccinated with mRNA. 

The question still remains is it caused by the vaccine or is a result of surviving by the vaccine? Without the vaccine maybe people with now long covid could have died, but because of the covid they are alive, but have now the problems of long covid. It can take many years before this question can be answered

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11 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Please show where I said "large numbers".

This is the relevant part of my post. "...it would also be interesting to know what's causing these rubbery, white clots found in arteries." Very puerile and definitely against the spirit of this forum to be misquoting someone. What they are of course is yet to be determined.

 

 

So, your position is that vaccines cause a tiny number of people to have white clots?

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