It's official: We can pretty much treat covid like the flu now

[dhupverg]

https://www.wsj.com/health/wellness/covid-guidelines-2024-cdc-symptoms-contagious-cdefb6b8

 

"A case of Covid no longer means isolating for five days, according to the latest guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released Friday. It’s the latest sign of the virus’s normalization four years after it upended our lives.

You should now follow the same precautions with Covid as you take with the flu, according to new guidelines from the CDC."

[retarius]

CDC arrive at the conclusion the man in the street arrived at 3 years ago. Brilliant. How about some compensation you idiots?

[transam]

1 minute ago, retarius said:

CDC arrive at the conclusion the man in the street arrived at 3 years ago. Brilliant. How about some compensation you idiots?

No, only the anti-brigade thought that, the man in the street knows nothing about the ins and outs of medical stuff.

Except you, of course, who seems to know everything..........🙄

[CharlieKo]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

the man in the street knows nothing about the ins and outs of medical stuff

They were lied to. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, CharlieKo said:

They were lied to. 

Then tell all....Go for it.............🤗

[frank83628]

48 minutes ago, transam said:

Then tell all....Go for it.............🤗

 

even Chris Whitty on the bbc back in April 2020 said this was a lot lower risk than first predicted, with a less than 1% mortality rate, yet we all had to suffer the BS for 2 years.

 

[frank83628]

20 minutes ago, transam said:

No, only the anti-brigade thought that, the man in the street knows nothing about the ins and outs of medical stuff.

Except you, of course, who seems to know everything..........🙄

and the'anti brigade' were correct weren't they..as now being proved!!!

[transam]

Just now, frank83628 said:

and the'anti brigade' were correct weren't they..as now being proved!!!

Tell that to those six feet under........😬

[transam]

15 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

 

 

The vax does NOT stop you getting it, but it may save one's life if you are vaxed, your body will be set up for the fight........😋

[eisfeld]

1 hour ago, retarius said:

CDC arrive at the conclusion the man in the street arrived at 3 years ago. Brilliant. How about some compensation you idiots?

 

3 years ago the situation was very different. The virus has mutated a lot and is less severe now. Also a lot more people are either vaccinated or have developed immunity.

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[stoner]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

The vax does NOT stop you getting it

 

that is not what we were told at the beginning. we were told that in fact it would stop the spread.

[AndyAndyAndy]

6 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

 

3 years ago the situation was very different. The virus has mutated a lot and is less severe now. Also a lot more people are either vaccinated or have developed immunity. If only we could get compensated for reading idiot posts like yours...

 

 Nothing changed. Only people like you have to keep coming with new excuses to keep their own reality going.

[frank83628]

20 minutes ago, transam said:

Tell that to those six feet under........😬

YAWN...classic reply... i would bet you were one of those that also said 'look at Italy' if you were in a discussion about covid back in the beginning!!

unless full details on those deaths given then there is no real way to know the 'actual' cause,  it's widely known now the deaths were mainly the elderly age bracket, the actual mortality rates in the various age ranges was a fraction of what was told.
the fear worked on people like yourself.... Thailand was the 1st country outside china to have a recorded death in Jan 13th 2020, we werent locked down for a further 2 months, what did covid do in that time, where were all the bead bodies?, seeing as it was such a deadly virus and all.. there was still only 92 deaths after the 1st year.!

but you keep believing everything your told without question!

[frank83628]

6 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

 

3 years ago the situation was very different. The virus has mutated a lot and is less severe now. Also a lot more people are either vaccinated or have developed immunity. If only we could get compensated for reading idiot posts like yours...

how about natural immunity? talk of that was practically banned

[eisfeld]

On 3/3/2024 at 12:18 PM, AndyAndyAndy said:

 

 Nothing changed. Only people like you have to keep coming with new excuses to keep their own reality going.

 

Claiming nothing changed is so far from reality it's comical, "bro".

[transam]

3 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

that is not what we were told at the beginning. we were told that in fact it would stop the spread.

So what........?

 

The vax saved zillions of lives, well didn't it.......?🤔

[eisfeld]

Just now, frank83628 said:

how about natural immunity? talk of that was practically banned

 

I mentioned explicitly "people who developed immunity". It takes time (years) for the population to develop better resistance to a virus. And that's exactly what happened. Nothing surprising here. And no, talk of it was not banned. That's just conspiracy thinking. Spreading misinformation is banned.

[stoner]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

So what........?

 

The vax saved zillions of lives, well didn't it.......?🤔

 

what do you mean so what ? so what society was lied to about a vaccine ? wow

 

you may be ok with that but there are many who are not. 

[eisfeld]

18 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

If we were allowed to have a free debate without the threat of having posts deleted because it goes against the MSM Or because it's deemed a conspiracy. We would get an alternative view! Suffice to say maybe it was the vax as to why There are "those six feet under". I never took the vax and have never had problems with covid. 

 

I know People who took the vax and have had problems.

 

Expecting this to be deleted! 

 

I know people who drink milk every morning and never got Covid. I know someone who doesn't drink milk every morning and did get Covid. I am scared to post this alternative view and be labeled a conspiracist and being oppressed! The truth about milk will get out!

[eisfeld]

3 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

what do you mean so what ? so what society was lied to about a vaccine ? wow

 

you may be ok with that but there are many who are not. 

 

What lie exactly are you refering to? The lies from anti-vaxxers that vaccines don't help? That they are worse than the virus itself? That they are new and unproven? That they are used to control the population? There were so many lies so please clarify.

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[transam]

4 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

YAWN...classic reply... i would bet you were one of those that also said 'look at Italy' if you were in a discussion about covid back in the beginning!!

unless full details on those deaths given then there is no real way to know the 'actual' cause,  it's widely known now the deaths were mainly the elderly age bracket, the actual mortality rates in the various age ranges was a fraction of what was told.
the fear worked on people like yourself.... Thailand was the 1st country outside china to have a recorded death in Jan 13th 2020, we werent locked down for a further 2 months, what did covid do in that time, where were all the bead bodies?, seeing as it was such a deadly virus and all.. there was still only 92 deaths after the 1st year.!

but you keep believing everything your told without question!

And why not, we did exactly what was recommended, especially me at my age, we never got Covid........

How about you................?

 

I also did what I was told, or my parents were told, regarding many jabs, even jabs to come to LOS, how about that, and I am still here..........

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Previously reported in fuller form and detail here:

 

 

[stoner]

1 minute ago, eisfeld said:

 

What lie exactly are you refering to?

 

multiple times at the start society was told the vaccine would stop the spread and prevent you from getting covid. 

[eisfeld]

4 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

multiple times at the start society was told the vaccine would stop the spread and prevent you from getting covid. 

 

By who? Neither the vaccine manufacturers nor the CDC made such claims. They from the start were clear that the vaccines help reduce the spread and help prevent you from getting Covid but they are not a 100% bulletproof solution. They prevented millions and millions of people from developing Covid, clearly a great success story and exactly as predicted.

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[stoner]

4 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

 

By who? Neither the vaccine manufacturers nor the CDC made such claims. They from the start were clear that the vaccines help preventing the spread and help prevent you from getting Covid but they are not a 100% bulletproof solution. They prevented millions and millions of people from developing Covid, clearly a great success story and exactly as predicted.

 

biden said it. msnbc said it. lots of video out there (transam) for all to see. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

what do you mean so what ? so what society was lied to about a vaccine ? wow

 

 

No, society wasn't "lied to" about the vaccines.... though some politicians did overstate what the data was showing in the early going.

 

Fact Check: Preventing transmission never required for COVID vaccines’ initial approval; Pfizer vax did reduce transmission of early variants

 

"To get emergency approval, companies needed to show that the vaccines were safe and prevented vaccinated people from getting ill. They did not have to show that the vaccine would also prevent people from spreading the virus to others. Once the vaccines were on the market, independent researchers in multiple countries studied people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and did show that vaccination reduced transmission of variants circulating at the time."

...

Evidence continued to build in 2021 that the mRNA-based vaccines prevented infections and onward transmission of the virus (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abl4292

, opens new ta). But with the advent that year of the coronavirus Delta variant, plus waning immunity from vaccines delivered at the start of the year, protection against infection and transmission was seen to be dropping, although not eliminated, as previously described by Reuters Fact Check (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-vaccines-idUSL1N2SA1FZ).

 

The newest family of Omicron variants has further eroded vaccine effectiveness against infection and transmission (https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/how-omicron-highlights-fading-hope-herd-immunity-covid-2022-01-20/) . But even Omicron does not escape vaccine protection completely.

 

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/preventing-transmission-never-required-covid-vaccines-initial-approval-pfizer-2024-02-12/

 

 

Things were different in the early going with the original variants of the virus. And there were valid reasons for the original optimism about greatly reducing transmission, based on studies at the time.

Israeli studies find Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine reduces transmission

February 19, 2021

 

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine greatly reduces virus transmission, two Israeli studies have found, shedding light on one of the biggest questions of the global effort to quash the pandemic.

 

Data analysis in a study by the Israeli Health Ministry and Pfizer Inc found the Pfizer vaccine developed with Germany's BioNTech reduces infection, including in asymptomatic cases, by 89.4% and in symptomatic cases by 93.7%.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-israel-vaccine-int/israeli-studies-find-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-reduces-transmission-idUSKBN2AJ08J/

 

 

 

[eisfeld]

1 minute ago, stoner said:

 

biden said it. msnbc said it. lots of video out there (transam) for all to see. 

 

Biden was not president when Covid-19 started. So I'm confused why you would pay attention to him at that time. If there are lots of videos then maybe link one.

[stoner]

1 minute ago, eisfeld said:

 

Biden was not president when Covid-19 started. So I'm confused why you would pay attention to him at that time. If there are lots of videos then maybe link one.

 

who said anything about it starting ? i am simply stating what i have seen with my own eyes. you are a big boy you know how to use youtube and other video sharing platforms. 

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, eisfeld said:

 

By who? Neither the vaccine manufacturers nor the CDC made such claims. They from the start were clear that the vaccines help reduce the spread and help prevent you from getting Covid but they are not a 100% bulletproof solution. They prevented millions and millions of people from developing Covid, clearly a great success story and exactly as predicted.

Biden and Racheal maddow are 2 that spring to mind, no apologies or retractions as of yet.... didnt see them get labelled as spreading 'misinformation'.
the level of protection it gave is debatable, even from the cdc themselves. it went from 90 odd % then wained to 60, maybe less

 

[stoner]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

No, society wasn't "lied to" about the vaccines.... though some politicians did overstate what the data was showing in the early going.

 

yes some people did lie. facts are facts. there is video of rachel maddow clearly saying what i have said in this forum. 

 

she flat out lied about it.