TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 16 minutes ago, frank83628 said: a friends wife is too and she said the opposite. what i am saying is that covid was clearly here from the start, but the vast majority of people went about their daily business within what ever restrictions there were and there wasn't a great issue. IE covid was not as severe as we were being told it was. Up to several hundred COVID deaths per day at its peak in Thailand. Hospitals and ERs overwhelmed, and at times closed to new admissions because of that. Temporary morgues set up to handle the masses of dead bodies. Because the government at that time did its best to limit the flow of the most damaging info to the public, in all likelihood, here, it was worse than we were being told. How much worse would you have wanted it to be? The graph below indicates that Thailand's COVID deaths tally peaked at more than 200 people PER DAY... They were having to set up temporary morgues because they couldn't handle all the bodies back in 2021. Source link: Edited March 3 by TallGuyJohninBKK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan O Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, stoner said: joe biden was paid to make sensationalized statements ? ahhhhh Stop smoking and learn to read, they were separate statements. No one you quoted was a doctor nor are you so you shouldnt be presenting yourself as someone with accurate knowledge because you have none 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Up to several hundred COVID deaths per day at its peak in Thailand. Hospitals and ERs overwhelmed, and at times closed to new admissions because of that. Temporary morgues set up to handle the masses of dead bodies. Because the government at that time did its best to limit the flow of damaging info to the public, in all likelihood, here, it was worse than we were being told. How much worse would you have wanted it to be? The graph below indicates that Thailand's COVID deaths tally peaked at more than 200 people PER DAY... They were having to set up temporary morgues because they couldn't handle all the bodies back in 2021. Source link: ahh, so the government covered it up..gotcha! 😕 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, frank83628 said: ahh, so the government covered it up..gotcha! 😕 How many news videos did you see back in 2021 during the peaks showing what was going on inside Thailand hospital emergency rooms? Or even interviews with hospital staff talking about what they were facing day-in and day-out? Pretty much none... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) How quickly some folks forget, or try to forget: Thailand’s hospitals under pressure as Covid crisis deepens Doctors forced to treat patients in car parks while others turned away as no beds available Mon 26 Jul 2021 20.00 EDT Thailand’s worsening Covid outbreak is placing intense pressure on hospitals, forcing doctors to treat patients in parking lots and turn away people who are severely ill. ... A third wave began in April, when infections began to spread in Bangkok nightlife venues, including clubs popular among wealthy businessmen. Since then, cases have spread across prisons, factories, construction sites and densely populated areas of the capital. In about four months, the country’s total fatalities have grown from fewer than 100 to 4,146. Some have died in their homes because no hospital beds were available, according to medical volunteers. Others have died on the streets of Bangkok, including one person whose body was left on the pavement for hours last week, provoking public outrage. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/27/thailands-hospitals-under-pressure-as-covid-crisis-deepens Edited March 3 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattlesnake Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 hours ago, eisfeld said: Biden was not president when Covid-19 started. So I'm confused why you would pay attention to him at that time. If there are lots of videos then maybe link one. Video of Biden Saying Vaccinations Prevent COVID Resurfaces After Infection Video of President Joe Biden assuring Americans exactly one year ago that they would not get COVID-19 if they are vaccinated resurfaced Thursday after the commander in chief tested positive for the novel coronavirus. https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-2021-video-saying-vaccinations-prevent-covid-resurfaces-1726900 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoner Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 23 minutes ago, Dan O said: Stop smoking and learn to read, they were separate statements. No one you quoted was a doctor nor are you so you shouldnt be presenting yourself as someone with accurate knowledge because you have none yes clearly separate statements. i don't have to be a doctor to remember history and things that were said. move along now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, rattlesnake said: Video of Biden Saying Vaccinations Prevent COVID Resurfaces After Infection Video of President Joe Biden assuring Americans exactly one year ago that they would not get COVID-19 if they are vaccinated resurfaced Thursday after the commander in chief tested positive for the novel coronavirus. https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-2021-video-saying-vaccinations-prevent-covid-resurfaces-1726900 Who actually cares................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoner Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, rattlesnake said: Video of Biden Saying Vaccinations Prevent COVID Resurfaces After Infection Video of President Joe Biden assuring Americans exactly one year ago that they would not get COVID-19 if they are vaccinated resurfaced Thursday after the commander in chief tested positive for the novel coronavirus. https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-2021-video-saying-vaccinations-prevent-covid-resurfaces-1726900 the fact i was speaking about. thank you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattlesnake Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 hours ago, eisfeld said: No idea who Rachel Maddow is. I just looked at Wikipedia and it seems she is just a random TV host. Why would anyone take their health advise from a TV host? Doesn't matter if it's MSNBC or Fox News. There's bull<deleted> coming from all sides of the spectrum. She is a famous and influential US media personality, and her claims definitely contributed to establishing the idea that the vaccine would end the pandemic in the collective mind. For instance, Rachel Maddow of MSNBC, an outlet with a decidedly liberal audience, noted in March 2021: ‘Now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person.’ However, this claim was not possible to make at that time, nor was it true. https://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2023/06/09/jme-2022-108825 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 9 minutes ago, transam said: Who actually cares................. asks for proof, when given it says 'who cares' 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Yes, let's hold the responsible for this: COVID vaccines saved 20M lives in 1st year, scientists say Nearly 20 million lives were saved by COVID-19 vaccines during their first year, but even more deaths could have been prevented if international targets for the shots had been reached, researchers reported Thursday. ... “Catastrophic would be the first word that comes to mind,” Watson said of the outcome if vaccines hadn’t been available to fight the coronavirus. The findings “quantify just how much worse the pandemic could have been if we did not have these vaccines.” The researchers used data from 185 countries to estimate that vaccines prevented 4.2 million COVID-19 deaths in India, 1.9 million in the United States, 1 million in Brazil, 631,000 in France and 507,000 in the United Kingdom. https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-england-54d29ae3af5c700f15d704c14ee224b5 The world is overpopulated by about 4bn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lister Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 I cannot be bothered to work out who started it, just be certain to stop it! You know who you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) Biden and Maddow at least had the generally correct ideas about COVID at that time -- that getting vaccinated was going to reduce transmission and infection during that period of the pandemic, as numerous studies showed (including ones cited above), even though they overstated the extent. Unlike some other public figures of the time, who were FAR FAR more wrong in their public pronouncements: 'It's going to disappear': A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish October 31, 2020 In his first speech after his hospitalization for Covid-19, President Donald Trump stood on a White House balcony on October 10 and made a grand declaration about the coronavirus: “It’s going to disappear. It is disappearing.” His words might have sounded more dramatic had he not been saying the same thing for eight months. Trump has stuck to the refrain no matter what has been happening with the pandemic. Since February, the President has declared at least 38 times that Covid-19 is either going to disappear or is currently disappearing. His proclamations have been wildly inaccurate. https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/ Now four years and 1 million plus Americans later dead from COVID, I'd say, he was pretty much more wrong on COVID than almost anyone else by far. Edited March 3 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) Meanwhile, here's a couple basic flaws to the CDC's recommendations, as they pertain to the U.S. From the CDC's own announcement: "As part of the guidance, CDC provides active recommendations on core prevention steps and strategies: Staying up to date with vaccination to protect people against serious illness, hospitalization, and death. This includes flu, COVID-19, and RSV if eligible." That's clearly not happening in the U.S. The new monovalent COVID vaccines were rolled out in the U.S. last fall, and now many months later, the vaccination rate for the new vaccines among adults is only about 22%, and moving upward only very slowly....and still under 50% even for senior citizens. AND "Once people resume normal activities, they are encouraged to take additional prevention strategies for the next 5 days to curb disease spread, such as taking more steps for cleaner air, enhancing hygiene practices, wearing a well-fitting mask, keeping a distance from others, and/or getting tested for respiratory viruses." Much of the above recommendations aren't happening for most people in the U.S. either. Mask wearing is the exception rather than the rule, and keeping a distance from others is going to be pretty tough for recently infected people who immediately go back to work under this new policy. And as the various news reports here note, the new isolation policy pretty much disregards the whole concept of testing for COVID, and instead is based on people's perceptions of their symptoms. "The recommendations suggest returning to normal activities when, for at least 24 hours, symptoms are improving overall, and if a fever was present, it has been gone without use of a fever-reducing medication." No mention of COVID testing as a tool or indicator there whatsoever. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/p0301-respiratory-virus.html The CDC's stated rationale for now going to the more relaxed isolation policy includes the notion that the public is going to be doing a bunch of things -- vaccination, masking, social distancing and testing -- that most of them aren't currently doing. Edited March 3 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 "The percent of the population reporting receipt of the updated 2023-24 COVID-19 vaccine is 13.1% (95% confidence interval: 12.5-13.7) for children and 22.2% (21.7-22.7) for adults 18+, including 41.5% (40.2-42.9) among adults age 65+." Reported on Friday, March 1st, 2024. https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/data-research/dashboard/vaccination-trends-adults.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Biden and Maddow at least had the generally correct ideas about COVID at that time -- that getting vaccinated was going to reduce transmission and infection during that period of the pandemic, as numerous studies showed (including ones cited above), even though they overstated the extent. Unlike some other public figures of the time, who were FAR FAR more wrong in their public pronouncements: 'It's going to disappear': A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish October 31, 2020 In his first speech after his hospitalization for Covid-19, President Donald Trump stood on a White House balcony on October 10 and made a grand declaration about the coronavirus: “It’s going to disappear. It is disappearing.” His words might have sounded more dramatic had he not been saying the same thing for eight months. Trump has stuck to the refrain no matter what has been happening with the pandemic. Since February, the President has declared at least 38 times that Covid-19 is either going to disappear or is currently disappearing. His proclamations have been wildly inaccurate. https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/ Now four years and 1 million plus Americans later dead from COVID, I'd say, he was pretty much more wrong on COVID than almost anyone else by far. ahh..Trump...i see, isn't this 'whataboutery' as you guys love to say so freely'?? overstated' ??? they lied to their audience which was quite large, never got fact checked, never been cancelled, never apologised, never retracted or been held accountable.. it's there for all to see, covid was used by the Dems & left against Trump politically, thats clear as day.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, frank83628 said: ahh..Trump...i see, isn't this 'whataboutery' as you guys love to say so freely'?? overstated' ??? they lied to their audience which was quite large, never got fact checked, never been cancelled, never apologised, never retracted or been held accountable.. it's there for all to see, covid was used by the Dems & left against Trump politically, thats clear as day.... You want to complain here at length about the minnows, but protest when anyone points out the whoppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 50 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Now four years and 1 million plus Americans later dead from COVID, I'd say, he was pretty much more wrong on COVID than almost anyone else by far. pretty sure you'll find more died under Biden than Trump, and Biden had the vaccine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 14 minutes ago, frank83628 said: pretty sure you'll find more died under Biden than Trump, and Biden had the vaccine Shudder to think what the alternative would have been -- vastly more dead Americans had they continued to have a vaccine-skeptical president for the duration of the pandemic. Biden never pandered to the anti-vax fringes, unlike Trump: This is how many lives could have been saved with COVID vaccinations in each state May 13, 2022 "One tragic fact about the nearly 1 million people who died of COVID-19 in the U.S. is that a huge share of them didn't have to. In Tennessee, 11,047 of the people who died could have survived if everyone in the state had gotten vaccinated. In Ohio, that number is 15,875. Nationally it's nearly 319,000, according a new estimate. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta Trump won’t say if COVID vaccines work: ‘Not a great thing to talk about’ as a Republican 06/20/23 "Former President Trump would not say whether he believes the COVID-19 vaccine works, explaining that he does not like to talk about getting the shot approved during his time in the White House because it’s a divisive issue among Republicans. Trump, in an interview with Fox News anchor Bret Baier conducted Monday and aired Tuesday, referenced a “Democrat friend” who asked why he does not talk more about getting the COVID-19 vaccine approved just months after the pandemic started in the United States. " https://thehill.com/homenews/4059468-trump-wont-say-if-covid-vaccines-work-not-a-great-thing-to-talk-about-as-a-republican/ AND "Former President Donald Trump often seems proud to advertise his administration's record on speedily developing COVID-19 vaccines. On the campaign trail to win another term in the White House, though, he also has knocked the use of those very vaccines. In October, for example, he unleashed a barrage of social media attacks on Ron DeSantis' pandemic record by reposting claims that the Florida governor — who is running against him in the Republican presidential primaries — was too active in vaccinating Sunshine State residents." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republican-presidential-candidates-trump-desantis-covid-vaccine-skeptics/ Donald Trump and vaccination: The effect of political identity, conspiracist ideation and presidential tweets on vaccine hesitancy May 2020 "Donald Trump is the first U.S. President to be on the record as having anti-vaccination attitudes. Given his enormous reach and influence, it is worthwhile examining the extent to which allegiance to Trump is associated with the public's perceptions of vaccine safety and efficacy." https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022103119302628 etc etc etc. Edited March 3 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Shudder to think what the alternative would have been -- vastly more dead Americans had they continued to have a vaccine-skeptical president for the duration of the pandemic. Biden never pandered to the anti-vax fringes, unlike Trump: This is how many lives could have been saved with COVID vaccinations in each state May 13, 2022 "One tragic fact about the nearly 1 million people who died of COVID-19 in the U.S. is that a huge share of them didn't have to. In Tennessee, 11,047 of the people who died could have survived if everyone in the state had gotten vaccinated. In Ohio, that number is 15,875. Nationally it's nearly 319,000, according a new estimate. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta Trump won’t say if COVID vaccines work: ‘Not a great thing to talk about’ as a Republican 06/20/23 "Former President Trump would not say whether he believes the COVID-19 vaccine works, explaining that he does not like to talk about getting the shot approved during his time in the White House because it’s a divisive issue among Republicans. Trump, in an interview with Fox News anchor Bret Baier conducted Monday and aired Tuesday, referenced a “Democrat friend” who asked why he does not talk more about getting the COVID-19 vaccine approved just months after the pandemic started in the United States. " https://thehill.com/homenews/4059468-trump-wont-say-if-covid-vaccines-work-not-a-great-thing-to-talk-about-as-a-republican/ AND "Former President Donald Trump often seems proud to advertise his administration's record on speedily developing COVID-19 vaccines. On the campaign trail to win another term in the White House, though, he also has knocked the use of those very vaccines. In October, for example, he unleashed a barrage of social media attacks on Ron DeSantis' pandemic record by reposting claims that the Florida governor — who is running against him in the Republican presidential primaries — was too active in vaccinating Sunshine State residents." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republican-presidential-candidates-trump-desantis-covid-vaccine-skeptics/ etc etc etc. whataboutery no?, deflecting form the topic at hand, as others are so quick to point out here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 4 minutes ago, frank83628 said: whataboutery no?, deflecting form the topic at hand, as others are so quick to point out here. Trump's numerous false COVID statements are every bit as much on-topic here as your and others repeated posts about Biden and Maddow's public comments -- all of which have nothing to do with the CDC's latest announcement about a new COVID isolation policy. Edited March 3 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Trump is every bit as much on-topic here as your and others repeated posts about Biden and Maddow's public comments -- all of which have nothing to do with the CDC's latest announcement about a new COVID isolation policy. well, we were pointing out the fact they both liedregarding the vaccines efficiency in relation to cdcs current announcement, you're trying to bring Trump and deaths into the equation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 5 minutes ago, frank83628 said: well, we were pointing out the fact they both liedregarding the vaccines efficiency in relation to cdcs current announcement, The current CDC announcement has nothing to do with vaccines efficiency... It was solely a statement about revised isolation policy for people recovering from COVID... But obviously, the actual subject of the thread has gotten somewhat lost in people posting unrelated stuff. And all I know is, I didn't start it... I merely answered it. From the OP: ""A case of Covid no longer means isolating for five days, according to the latest guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released Friday." Edited March 3 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 46 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Meanwhile, here's a couple basic flaws to the CDC's recommendations, as they pertain to the U.S. From the CDC's own announcement: "As part of the guidance, CDC provides active recommendations on core prevention steps and strategies: Staying up to date with vaccination to protect people against serious illness, hospitalization, and death. This includes flu, COVID-19, and RSV if eligible." That's clearly not happening in the U.S. The new monovalent COVID vaccines were rolled out in the U.S. last fall, and now many months later, the vaccination rate for the new vaccines among adults is only about 22%, and moving upward only very slowly....and still under 50% even for senior citizens. AND "Once people resume normal activities, they are encouraged to take additional prevention strategies for the next 5 days to curb disease spread, such as taking more steps for cleaner air, enhancing hygiene practices, wearing a well-fitting mask, keeping a distance from others, and/or getting tested for respiratory viruses." Much of the above recommendations aren't happening for most people in the U.S. either. Mask wearing is the exception rather than the rule, and keeping a distance from others is going to be pretty tough for recently infected people who immediately go back to work under this new policy. And as the various news reports here note, the new isolation policy pretty much disregards the whole concept of testing for COVID, and instead is based on people's perceptions of their symptoms. "The recommendations suggest returning to normal activities when, for at least 24 hours, symptoms are improving overall, and if a fever was present, it has been gone without use of a fever-reducing medication." No mention of COVID testing as a tool or indicator there whatsoever. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/p0301-respiratory-virus.html The CDC's stated rationale for now going to the more relaxed isolation policy includes the notion that the public is going to be doing a bunch of things -- vaccination, masking, social distancing and testing -- that most of them aren't currently doing. Shall we instead have a discussion and debate about the actual topic of the thread, as I was trying to do above??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattlesnake Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: The current CDC announcement has nothing to do with vaccines efficiency... It was solely a statement about revised isolation policy for people recovering from COVID... But obviously, the actual subject of the thread has gotten somewhat lost in people posting unrelated stuff. And all I know is, I didn't start it... I merely answered it. From the OP: ""A case of Covid no longer means isolating for five days, according to the latest guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released Friday." The topic of the thread is It's official "We can treat covid like the flu" according to the CDC. Of course those of us who said from day 1 that Covid was merely a flu are going to react to that, what do you expect? Edited March 3 by stats off topic comment removed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eisfeld Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 10 hours ago, frank83628 said: a friends wife is too and she said the opposite. what i am saying is that covid was clearly here from the start, but the vast majority of people went about their daily business within what ever restrictions there were and there wasn't a great issue. IE covid was not as severe as we were being told it was. I don't know why any nurse would say the opposite. Maybe a private clinic which didn't receive many cases. Just look at the death numbers. Tens of thousands of deaths in a matter of months. My mom lost a good friend to Covid. A friend of our family lost both parents within a few weeks. I'll never understand the people who deny the severity of the pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eisfeld Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 hours ago, rattlesnake said: The topic of the thread is It's official "We can treat covid like the flu" according to the CDC. Of course those of us who said from day 1 that Covid was merely a flu are going to react to that, what do you expect? That the CDC has reclassified it now means it wasn't like the flu before. So that directly contradicts your narrative that it always was like the flu which it obviously wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rattlesnake Posted March 3 Popular Post Share Posted March 3 (edited) 5 hours ago, eisfeld said: That the CDC has reclassified it now means it wasn't like the flu before. So that directly contradicts your narrative that it always was like the flu which it obviously wasn't. Indeed, it was deemed “the deadliest pandemic since the Spanish flu” etc. But the mortality rate was extremely low. It is one more respiratory ailment and the rest is just political. Just two weeks to flatten the curve… Just six weeks to slow the spread… Just until a vaccine is available… Just until the elderly and most compromised are vaccinated… Just until all adults are vaccinated… Just until 80% of everyone over 12 is vaccinated… Just until 85% of everyone over 5 is vaccinated… Just show your vaccine passport… Gotta laugh about it really. Edited March 4 by stats unsourced and misinfo claims removed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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