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Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

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Just now, Neeranam said:

Someone is lying then....

 

The Israeli army spokesperson Daniel Hagari said Hamas is “an idea” that cannot disappear, stating that his country’s goal to wipe the group out is unachievable, and that anyone who promises to eradicate Hamas is “misleading the public”.

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/live/gaza-live-wfp-pauses-aid-deliveries-through-us-pier

Someone is lying then....

 

You or the rag taking quotes out of context. Eradicating the Hamas infrastructure, personal as much as possible and ability to carry out further attacks is certainly possible and remains the aim. The aim was never claimed to be that they could eliminate the idea.

 

 

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    Let's never forget that israel came to be when Irgun and Stern gang terrorism drove the British out of Palestine, and a terrorist ( Begin ) even  became PM. Born of terrorism, and IMO still uses

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    The following is a list of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. As of 2023, the State of Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC).  

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    Founded in 1987, Hamas opposed the secular approach of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, rejected attempts to cede any part of Palestine, and embraced th

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11 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Someone is lying then....

 

The Israeli army spokesperson Daniel Hagari said Hamas is “an idea” that cannot disappear, stating that his country’s goal to wipe the group out is unachievable, and that anyone who promises to eradicate Hamas is “misleading the public”.

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/live/gaza-live-wfp-pauses-aid-deliveries-through-us-pier

Really? 

 

Plenty of Nazis still around as well. Israel needs to compel Hamas to surrender unconditionally. 

23 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Again , killing civilians in safe areas.
 

An Israeli airstrike on the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza on Monday killed several people, according to local media.

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/several-people-killed-in-israeli-strike-on-nuseirat-refugee-camp/3252517

Hey, have you found out how many Thai hostages Hamas are still holding? Surely you must be extremely worried about them but you’ve never mentioned it. Strange.

 

Before this elderly woman was taken hostage by Hamas, she was a peace activist, striving for peace between Gaza and Israel. No more, her experience has left her with no alternative than to believe that Hamas never want peace. While in Gaza she was held by a local hospital nurse who got paid by Hamas to keep her, local students also helped keep her and they also got paid by Hamas. She was then transferred to Nasser hospital where many other hostages were kept in room.

 

'I don't believe in peace now,' released Gaza hostage tells BBC

An Israeli peace activist who was seized from her home on 7 October and held hostage for 53 days in Gaza has told the BBC how her ordeal destroyed her belief that peace is possible between Palestinians and Israelis.
In her first UK interview since being freed in November, Ada Sagi, 75, also told Emma Barnett on Radio 4's Today programme how she was held in an apartment by paid guards, that Hamas kept her in a hospital before her release - and that she now believes the world hates Jews.
"I don't believe in peace, no. I don't believe, sorry," the Arabic and Hebrew teacher said. "I understand Hamas don't want it."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2eem7e7v30o

2 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Hey, have you found out how many Thai hostages Hamas are still holding? Surely you must be extremely worried about them but you’ve never mentioned it. Strange.

 

Before this elderly woman was taken hostage by Hamas, she was a peace activist, striving for peace between Gaza and Israel. No more, her experience has left her with no alternative than to believe that Hamas never want peace. While in Gaza she was held by a local hospital nurse who got paid by Hamas to keep her, local students also helped keep her and they also got paid by Hamas. She was then transferred to Nasser hospital where many other hostages were kept in room.

 

'I don't believe in peace now,' released Gaza hostage tells BBC

An Israeli peace activist who was seized from her home on 7 October and held hostage for 53 days in Gaza has told the BBC how her ordeal destroyed her belief that peace is possible between Palestinians and Israelis.
In her first UK interview since being freed in November, Ada Sagi, 75, also told Emma Barnett on Radio 4's Today programme how she was held in an apartment by paid guards, that Hamas kept her in a hospital before her release - and that she now believes the world hates Jews.
"I don't believe in peace, no. I don't believe, sorry," the Arabic and Hebrew teacher said. "I understand Hamas don't want it."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2eem7e7v30o

Palestine wants peace, but to them, there can only be peace once the Jews have been exterminated.

 

Of course that's not really true, they'll just move to wanting to exterminate the Christians. 

Finely some realistic signals from IDF

 

IDF commanders: Impossible to both defeat Hamas and rescue hostages - NYT

A diplomatic solution would be the fastest way of returning the Israelis who remain in captivity, according to three of the commanders.

 

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-783000

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Finely some realistic signals from IDF

 

IDF commanders: Impossible to both defeat Hamas and rescue hostages - NYT

A diplomatic solution would be the fastest way of returning the Israelis who remain in captivity, according to three of the commanders.

 

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-783000

Everyone except Hamas wants a diplomatic solution.

 

Israeli officials were in Qatar this week in attempt to nail down hostage deal – report

The Saudi-owned Elaph news outlet reports that Israeli officials held a secretive meeting in Qatar earlier this week to try and bridge the gap between the agreed-upon hostage deal outline and Hamas’s demands for alterations.

Citing an unnamed official familiar with the negotiations, Elaph reports that the meeting focused largely on fine-tuning technical aspects of the outline that was presented by US President Joe Biden last month, such as the number of living hostages that will be released in the first phase, and how long it will last.

According to the report, Qatar has continued to pressure Hamas into accepting the deal as it was offered, after the terror group responded with an altered version that included demands the US said were “not workable.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-officials-were-in-qatar-this-week-in-attempt-to-nail-down-hostage-deal-report/

Report claims only 50 hostages in Gaza still thought alive

United States officials estimate that as few as 50 hostages in Gaza are still alive, according to a report Thursday, confirming the worst fears of family members who say time is running out for their loved ones after nearly nine months in captivity.

The assessment, based on a combination of Israeli and American intelligence, put the number of deceased hostages at 66, a far higher number than Israel has publicly confirmed, The Wall Street Journal reported.

The Israel Defense Forces have confirmed the deaths of 41 hostages still in captivity, based on intelligence and findings obtained by troops operating in Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-claims-only-50-hostages-in-gaza-still-thought-alive/

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‘Happening again’: Guantanamo victims say Israel using ‘US-style’ torture

Former prisoners who suffered mistreatment in US detention facilities say Israeli abuse of Palestinian detainees follows the same patterns.

When former Guantanamo detainee Asadullah Haroon looks at pictures of Palestinians being held in Israeli prisons, the memories of his own abuse and torture in United States detention centres come flooding back.

“This is the worst form of oppression,” he says. “When you are labelled as a terrorist you cannot defend yourself in any way. Without a doubt it’s the same process; they are torturing the people in the same way. I think the Americans have made this and the Israelis are implementing it.”

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/22/happening-again-guantanamo-victims-say-israel-using-us-style-torture

Forensic Architecture probe concludes Israeli tank likely killed Palestinian child Hind Rajab 

Five-year-old Hind Rajab's mother said she was injured and trapped in a car with relatives in northern Gaza.
Investigation reveals Rajab's car was hit with 355 bullets and finds it 'not plausible' that Israeli tank couldn't see children inside car

Forensic Architecture said that the gun used for this attack was "firing at a range of 750–900 rounds per minute", and that this range exceeds that of the AK-type assault rifle that is commonly attributed to Palestinian fighters operating in Gaza.

"This range of rounds per minute is consistent with Israeli army-issued weaponry such as the M4 assault rifle or the FN MAG machine gun on a Merkava tank," the investigation said.

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/forensic-architecture-probe-says-israeli-tank-fire-likely-killed-palestinian-child-hind-rajab

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Forensic Architecture probe concludes Israeli tank likely killed Palestinian child Hind Rajab 

Five-year-old Hind Rajab's mother said she was injured and trapped in a car with relatives in northern Gaza.
Investigation reveals Rajab's car was hit with 355 bullets and finds it 'not plausible' that Israeli tank couldn't see children inside car

Forensic Architecture said that the gun used for this attack was "firing at a range of 750–900 rounds per minute", and that this range exceeds that of the AK-type assault rifle that is commonly attributed to Palestinian fighters operating in Gaza.

"This range of rounds per minute is consistent with Israeli army-issued weaponry such as the M4 assault rifle or the FN MAG machine gun on a Merkava tank," the investigation said.

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/forensic-architecture-probe-says-israeli-tank-fire-likely-killed-palestinian-child-hind-rajab

 

  So the conclusion was it it was "likely" and not definitely .

So it might have been the IDF firing and it might have been Hamas .

So, they dont know who fired the bullets

15 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Forensic Architecture probe concludes Israeli tank likely killed Palestinian child Hind Rajab 

Five-year-old Hind Rajab's mother said she was injured and trapped in a car with relatives in northern Gaza.
Investigation reveals Rajab's car was hit with 355 bullets and finds it 'not plausible' that Israeli tank couldn't see children inside car

Forensic Architecture said that the gun used for this attack was "firing at a range of 750–900 rounds per minute", and that this range exceeds that of the AK-type assault rifle that is commonly attributed to Palestinian fighters operating in Gaza.

"This range of rounds per minute is consistent with Israeli army-issued weaponry such as the M4 assault rifle or the FN MAG machine gun on a Merkava tank," the investigation said.

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/forensic-architecture-probe-says-israeli-tank-fire-likely-killed-palestinian-child-hind-rajab

"As a man sows, so shall he reap."

18 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  So the conclusion was it it was "likely" and not definitely .

So it might have been the IDF firing and it might have been Hamas .

So, they dont know who fired the bullets

Well it was "likely" fired by the Israel Defence Forces the most moral soldiers in the world in a Merkava tank.

Earshot found that with the minimum registered interval of 24 milliseconds, this tank would have to have been positioned just 13 metres away from the car. With the maximum interval of 40 milliseconds, the tank would have still been only 23 metres away from the car. This analysis suggests that the tank had to be positioned within close range (13–23 metres) of the car when it fired the shots that killed Layan. At such proximity, it is not plausible that the shooter could not have seen that the car was occupied by civilians, including children.

Earshot’s audio ballistic analysis supports the final words of Layan Hamada: the gunfire came from a tank that was next to them.

 

https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-killing-of-hind-rajab

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Well it was "likely" fired by the Israel Defence Forces the most moral soldiers in the world in a Merkava tank.

 

 

  So it might not have been the IDF , just "likely" .

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  So it might not have been the IDF , just "likely" .

 I suppose one of the Hamas terrorists could have knocked on the tanks door and asked if they could have a go with the tanks FN MAG machine gun to shoot up a Kia Picanto that was up to 23 meters away, now is that possible or likely?

3 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

‘Happening again’: Guantanamo victims say Israel using ‘US-style’ torture

Former prisoners who suffered mistreatment in US detention facilities say Israeli abuse of Palestinian detainees follows the same patterns.

When former Guantanamo detainee Asadullah Haroon looks at pictures of Palestinians being held in Israeli prisons, the memories of his own abuse and torture in United States detention centres come flooding back.

“This is the worst form of oppression,” he says. “When you are labelled as a terrorist you cannot defend yourself in any way. Without a doubt it’s the same process; they are torturing the people in the same way. I think the Americans have made this and the Israelis are implementing it.”

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/22/happening-again-guantanamo-victims-say-israel-using-us-style-torture

I'm waiting for Al Jazeera to pass this one on........when  it gets to the stage they are asking ex detanees at Guantanamo then it says it all

 

image.png.3a791e679b5e3de1590bbe55500e209e.pnghttps://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1804076959279763871

 

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 I suppose one of the Hamas terrorists could have knocked on the tanks door and asked if they could have a go with the tanks FN MAG machine gun to shoot up a Kia Picanto that was up to 23 meters away, now is that possible or likely?

 

   There were also bullets that came in from the other side , where Hamas were firing from , those bullets may have caused the death 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'm waiting for Al Jazeera to pass this one on........when  it gets to the stage they are asking ex detanees at Guantanamo then it says it all

 

Haroon, who won his case against the US government for illegal imprisonment in 2021, was held without charge in the notorious Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba for 16 years following his arrest in 2007. Without a doubt, he says, Palestinians held in Israeli prisons now are enduring similar treatment to that he experienced.

“It’s like in the first days when I was arrested, I was beaten to an extent that I was standing; I couldn’t sit down or if I was sitting down and beaten up, I couldn’t get up. Same with insomnia and I was assaulted for several days. A lot of the prisoners were bitten by dogs. We were provided very little medical care.

“Physical torture was really bad but the worst was mental torture in different forms. I believe there isn’t much of a difference in the torture of prisoners of Palestine, Guantanamo, Bagram and Abu Ghraib.”

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Haroon, who won his case against the US government for illegal imprisonment in 2021, was held without charge in the notorious Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba for 16 years following his arrest in 2007. Without a doubt, he says, Palestinians held in Israeli prisons now are enduring similar treatment to that he experienced.

“It’s like in the first days when I was arrested, I was beaten to an extent that I was standing; I couldn’t sit down or if I was sitting down and beaten up, I couldn’t get up. Same with insomnia and I was assaulted for several days. A lot of the prisoners were bitten by dogs. We were provided very little medical care.

“Physical torture was really bad but the worst was mental torture in different forms. I believe there isn’t much of a difference in the torture of prisoners of Palestine, Guantanamo, Bagram and Abu Ghraib.”

Well as long as he says so that's it then............:cheesy:

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well as long as he says so that's it then............:cheesy:

 

The US rendered Asadullah to Guantánamo 2007. His family feared him dead for many years and for the first nine years of his captivity, he did not have access to a lawyer, despite multiple attempts to obtain legal representation. Reprieve and the law firm Lewis Baach Kaufmann Middlemiss filed a writ for a petition of habeas corpus on his behalf in 2016, in which they demanded his release. 

After years of litigation, in October 2021, they prevailed: the District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that Asadullah’s detention was not legal, because he had only been a part of Hezb-e-Islami (HIA), a group that has been formally at peace since 2016, and he was not a part of Al Qaeda. The judge thus ordered his release. Asadullah was the first Guantánamo Bay detainee in over ten years to win a habeas case.  

 

https://reprieve.org/uk/2022/06/24/release-of-guantanamo-detainee-asadullah-haroon-gul-who-was-unlawfully-imprisoned/

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

The US rendered Asadullah to Guantánamo 2007. His family feared him dead for many years and for the first nine years of his captivity, he did not have access to a lawyer, despite multiple attempts to obtain legal representation. Reprieve and the law firm Lewis Baach Kaufmann Middlemiss filed a writ for a petition of habeas corpus on his behalf in 2016, in which they demanded his release. 

After years of litigation, in October 2021, they prevailed: the District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that Asadullah’s detention was not legal, because he had only been a part of Hezb-e-Islami (HIA), a group that has been formally at peace since 2016, and he was not a part of Al Qaeda. The judge thus ordered his release. Asadullah was the first Guantánamo Bay detainee in over ten years to win a habeas case.  

 

https://reprieve.org/uk/2022/06/24/release-of-guantanamo-detainee-asadullah-haroon-gul-who-was-unlawfully-imprisoned/

Did you email reprieve to show support because his back ground is nothing to do with this topic

32 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well as long as he says so that's it then............:cheesy:

 

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Did you email reprieve to show support because his back ground is nothing to do with this topic

 

Only trying to keep you informed after your comedy post.

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

Only trying to keep you informed after your comedy post.

It wasn't a comedy post, the fact some people take in that rubbish is laughable or sad, I decided to laugh. But again you keep on the off topic nonsense

 

Back to the topic and a lovely targeted strike:

 

A squad commander in Hamas's elite Nukha force during the October 7 terror onslaught was killed in a recent airstrike in northern Gaza's Beit Hanoun, the military says.

 

 

52 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

I believe there isn’t much of a difference in the torture of prisoners of Palestine, Guantanamo, Bagram and Abu Ghraib.”

 

   Could you ask Haroon as to why he thinks that there are similarities between the two ?

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

It wasn't a comedy post, the fact some people take in that rubbish is laughable or sad, I decided to laugh. But again you keep on the off topic nonsense

 

Back to the topic and a lovely targeted strike:

 

A squad commander in Hamas's elite Nukha force during the October 7 terror onslaught was killed in a recent airstrike in northern Gaza's Beit Hanoun, the military says.

 

 

 

Great shot and no civilian casualties, wonders will never cease 🍉

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Could you ask Haroon as to why he thinks that there are similarities between the two ?

 

Hang about for a bit I'll give him a ring for you, DF

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