Obama, Fearing Biden Loss to Trump, Is on the Phone to Strategize

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, billd766 said:

Why not send him an email and ask him?

Excellent idea. Can you give me his e mail address and I'll get right on it.

 

We need more contributions like that on the forum. keep 'em comin'.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Berkshire said:

[One of the newest players on the 2024 scene are “Republican Voters Against Trump.” Who are just what they profess to be: Republicans. Who once voted for Trump. And whose mission now is to convince fellow former Trump voters never to vote for him again – and, hopefully, to vote for Joe Biden.]

I have to assume that you added the part about voting for Biden, as no self respecting Republican would actually want Biden in charge as he is IMO everything they must hate.

If you didn't I'd have to assume it's made up fake news.

 

PS I'm not surprised to see Bolton on the list as he was ( is ) an idiot, IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

$25M is more than the RNC has raised all year.

 

Biden did it in one night.

I suppose you believe polls too. It's rather a long time till November- plenty of time to do a lot of stuff, like raising money.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, HighPriority said:

Because nothing matters like an ex presidents wardrobe…

Hillary was never president. What are you wittering about?

[LosLobo]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

PS I'm not surprised to see Bolton on the list as he was ( is ) an idiot, IMO.

Trump only had the 'best people' and why would Trump add anyone more than an 'idiot' to his Whitehouse idiocrasy?

As supporter of Trump isn't your comment just a projection of yourself.

The phrase 'accuse others of what you are guilty of' attributed to Joseph Goebbels comes to mind.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Presto said:

Why that corrupt fascist Trump is not in jail by now is beyond me. A coup plotter, however incompetent he may be, is allowed to run for president again, like nothing happened.

Certainly an embarrassing performance by the famed American legal system. And all this while Biden is in charge. This certainly will be his legacy, democracy and the rule of law going down the drain.

Do try and get it right.

 

Trump has not been convicted of being a coup plotter, so why would he be in jail? They have 91 or something cases against him but so far no criminal convictions. Get back to us when he does.

 

You don't seem to understand what American democracy is. Did you miss that at school?

If Trump gets elected according to the constitution that is constitutional democracy. If you don't like the constitution, get it changed.

Stopping Trump running without a criminal conviction would not be democracy- that's what they do in places like Russia. Locking Trump up without a criminal conviction would be the rule of law going down the drain.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, impulse said:

Edit:  I'd add that while Biden was schmoozing the uber wealthy in NYC, Trump was attending the wake of a slain cop in NYC.  He's not even a politician, and he get politics better than a 40+ year career politician.  Or it's just possible that he cares more...

It puzzles me that a non politician ( in 2015 ) got it right more than a long serving member of congress. One thinks that HRC should have been more in touch with common people, but I guess living in a bubble long enough and they think they are so special they should win- just because.

 

Now it's happening again. Trump is more in touch with the people than a man that lived in the bubble so long. Perhaps that's why so many Americans hate Washington.

[impulse]

7 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Biden shared his handwritten notes, not classified.

 

You are posting lies.

You really need to read the report...

 

To our knowledge, no one has identified any classified information published in Promise Me, Dad, but Mr. Biden shared information, including some classified information, from those notebooks with his ghostwriter.

 

at least three times Mr. Biden read from classified entries aloud to his ghostwriter nearly verbatim.

 

He had no legal authority to do so, and his retention of these materials, and disclosure of classified information from his notebooks to his ghostwriter, risked serious damage to America's national security.

 

Mr. Biden's decision to take home notebooks knowing that as a whole they contained classified information, and then read verbatim notes from national security meetings to his ghostwriter-recognizing those notes were at least potentially classified-counts squarely in aggravation.

 

I refer you to the Hur report these were quoted from, which has been linked ad nauseum, yet some folks don't bother reading.  They just parrot what CNN and MSDNC tell them is in the report.

 

Edited March 30 by impulse

[impulse]

10 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

So stop your preaching about one party being pure than the other, they're both absolute sewer filth. 

 

Where did I say that one party is purer?  Of course it's on both sides. That's the swamp that Trump is always calling out.  And why so many Repubs are against Trump.  Not to mention the millions of unelected bureaucrats whose jobs are on the line.

 

The only way out is to elect leaders who are not career politicians, who have real life skills so they can find a job when they pass term limits.  (Fat chance of that).  Elected officials need to serve the public then go out an live in the world they created.

 

Looking at the choices in 2024, which candidate isn't a career politician and could make a living outside the Beltway?  I know it's a small chance he can bring reform, but a small chance is better than none.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

You really need to read the report...

 

To our knowledge, no one has identified any classified information published in Promise Me, Dad, but Mr. Biden shared information, including some classified information, from those notebooks with his ghostwriter.

 

at least three times Mr. Biden read from classified entries aloud to his ghostwriter nearly verbatim.

 

He had no legal authority to do so, and his retention of these materials, and disclosure of classified information from his notebooks to his ghostwriter, risked serious damage to America's national security.

 

Mr. Biden's decision to take home notebooks knowing that as a whole they contained classified information, and then read verbatim notes from national security meetings to his ghostwriter-recognizing those notes were at least potentially classified-counts squarely in aggravation.

 

I refer you to the Hur report these were quoted from, which has been linked ad nauseum, yet some folks don't bother reading.  They just parrot what CNN and MSDNC tell them is in the report.

 

Nope.

 

For Biden's handwritten notebooks found in Biden's Delaware home, which included classified content, Hur credited the possibility that Biden treated them as "personal property", given "historical practice" of the federal government allowing President Ronald Reagan to take home his diaries as "personal records" despite their classified content.

 

Under the Presidential Records Act, handwritten notes are considered personal property, not government property. Ronald Reagan kept his notes, as well.

 

That's why Hur never charged Biden for keeping his notes.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I suppose you believe polls too. It's rather a long time till November- plenty of time to do a lot of stuff, like raising money.

Early polls have little predictive value.

 

Fundraising does, it indicates who people with money think is going to win.

[Danderman123]

48 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

 

Looking at the choices in 2024, which candidate isn't a career politician and could make a living outside the Beltway?  I know it's a small chance he can bring reform, but a small chance is better than none.

Trump was in office already, and produced no reforms.

[impulse]

31 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Nope.

 

For Biden's handwritten notebooks found in Biden's Delaware home, which included classified content, Hur credited the possibility that Biden treated them as "personal property", given "historical practice" of the federal government allowing President Ronald Reagan to take home his diaries as "personal records" despite their classified content.

 

Under the Presidential Records Act, handwritten notes are considered personal property, not government property. Ronald Reagan kept his notes, as well.

 

That's why Hur never charged Biden for keeping his notes.

 

Nice dancing.  But my claim was that Biden got paid $8 million for a book deal and then read classified information to his ghostwriter for that book.

 

I'll refer you to that AP link that he got paid $8 million, and to the Hur report that he read secrets to the ghostwriter.

That the Biden DOJ didn't choose to recommend charging Biden is another topic for another thread.

 

And, BTW, Reagan was president.  So was Trump.  So Hur actually skipped a cog when he brought up Reagan.  It's not been decided whether a former senator or VP has the same privilege to personal classified records.  Biden just assumed...

 

 

Edited March 30 by impulse

[Danderman123]

58 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Nice dancing.  But my claim was that Biden got paid $8 million for a book deal and then read classified information to his ghostwriter for that book.

 

I'll refer you to that AP link that he got paid $8 million, and to the Hur report that he read secrets to the ghostwriter.

That the Biden DOJ didn't choose to recommend charging Biden is another topic for another thread.

 

And, BTW, Reagan was president.  So was Trump.  So Hur actually skipped a cog when he brought up Reagan.  It's not been decided whether a former senator or VP has the same privilege to personal classified records.  Biden just assumed...

 

 

Biden used his handwritten notes with the ghostwriter.  The handwritten notes were his personal property.

 

Robert Hur concluded that nothing Biden did was actionable.

 

The question is why you are concerned about Biden's legal actions, when your man Trump retained 100s of classified documents?

Edited March 30 by Danderman123

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 It's not been decided whether a former senator or VP has the same privilege to personal classified records.  Biden just assumed...

 

 

§ 2.2 Access to classified information by historical researchers, former Treasury Presidential and Vice Presidential appointees, and former Presidents and Vice Presidents.

 

(a) Access to classified information may be granted only to individuals who have a need-to-know the information. This requirement may be waived, however, for individuals who:

 

(1) Are engaged in historical research projects;

 

(2) Previously occupied a position in the Treasury to which they were appointed by the President under 3 U.S.C. 105(a)(2)(A), or the Vice President under 3 U.S.C. 106(a)(1)(A); or

 

(3) Served as President or Vice President.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Excellent idea. Can you give me his e mail address and I'll get right on it.

 

We need more contributions like that on the forum. keep 'em comin'.

Are you not big enough, old enough and capable enough to search for that information yourself?

[candide]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Nice dancing.  But my claim was that Biden got paid $8 million for a book deal and then read classified information to his ghostwriter for that book.

 

I'll refer you to that AP link that he got paid $8 million, and to the Hur report that he read secrets to the ghostwriter.

That the Biden DOJ didn't choose to recommend charging Biden is another topic for another thread.

 

And, BTW, Reagan was president.  So was Trump.  So Hur actually skipped a cog when he brought up Reagan.  It's not been decided whether a former senator or VP has the same privilege to personal classified records.  Biden just assumed...

 

 

An incoherent and ridiculous claim made by Jim Jordan (I found out where it comes from).

 

A ghost writer works for the official author and signs a contract with the official author He is paid by the official author (usually with a percentage of his royalties), so the ghostwriter did not give him $8m.

 

The official author signs a contract with the publisher, and the publisher pays the official author for the text of the book (a book on Beau Biden). Biden provided the text of the book to the publisher. The book doesn't include classified information. The publisher never paid any classified information.

 

It's just another trick by Jim Jordan for the confused MAGA brains.

 

About Hur, he confirmed in front of the GOP committee that he was not able to establish intent beyond reasonable doubt

Edited March 30 by candide

[Presto]

23 hours ago, Dolf said:

Americans want him back. You are just a lefty.

You could be right there. Basically Americans have little understanding or interest in democracy and the rule of law. (Just like Trump himself, who has never read the constitution or the bible) Why else would 74 million adult Americans vote for that guy after four years of having the privilege of watching him in real life?

[riclag]

39 minutes ago, Presto said:

You could be right there. Basically Americans have little understanding or interest in democracy and the rule of law. (Just like Trump himself, who has never read the constitution or the bible) Why else would 74 million adult Americans vote for that guy after four years of having the privilege of watching him in real life?

Why else! 74 m voted for the USA ,that’s why.
A vote for Trump was always a vote for

America First, The Republic, The usa flag ,The Constitution, less crime , less illegal border crossing , patriotism.

And not some communist / socialist radical ideas of a utopian society by the globalists .

What country are you from?

 

imop

Edited March 30 by riclag

[candide]

35 minutes ago, riclag said:

Why else! 74 m voted for the USA ,that’s why.
A vote for Trump was always a vote for

America First, The Republic, The usa flag ,The Constitution, less crime , less illegal border crossing , patriotism.

And not some communist / socialist radical ideas of a utopian society by the globalists .

What country are you from?

 

imop

Less crime? Maybe, if you don't count those for which Trump is being charged! 😀

[Danderman123]

18 hours ago, riclag said:

Why else! 74 m voted for the USA ,that’s why.
A vote for Trump was always a vote for

America First, The Republic, The usa flag ,The Constitution, less crime , less illegal border crossing , patriotism.

And not some communist / socialist radical ideas of a utopian society by the globalists .

What country are you from?

 

imop

Trump supports Putin, who wants to put the USSR back together.

 

Many of your colleagues here who support Trump also support weakening America, so that a multi-polar world emerges. That's not "America First", that's "America Last".

[Danderman123]

The total from the joint fundraiser was $26 million.

Edited March 31 by Danderman123

[thaibeachlovers]

On 3/30/2024 at 4:45 PM, billd766 said:

Are you not big enough, old enough and capable enough to search for that information yourself?

No. Just don't care.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 3/31/2024 at 3:06 PM, Danderman123 said:

Trump supports Putin, who wants to put the USSR back together.

 

Many of your colleagues here who support Trump also support weakening America, so that a multi-polar world emerges. That's not "America First", that's "America Last".

You need to prove that Trump is a Putin supporter in real life and not just in your fevered imagination.

 

Which of us Trump supporters want to weaken America? You can't just go around making statements like that without some proof.

 

Prove it or it isn't true.

[transam]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

You need to prove that Trump is a Putin supporter in real life and not just in your fevered imagination.

 

Which of us Trump supporters want to weaken America? You can't just go around making statements like that without some proof.

 

Prove it or it isn't true.

Blind..................

[Danderman123]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You need to prove that Trump is a Putin supporter in real life and not just in your fevered imagination.

 

Which of us Trump supporters want to weaken America? You can't just go around making statements like that without some proof.

 

Prove it or it isn't true.

 

On 7/20/2023 at 8:49 PM, Brewster67 said:

I can't agree...

 

The world is changing fast, the east is rising and the west is declining... Countries like the UK have swept across the world for hundreds of years slaughtering people and stealing their wealth and resources and the UK was at the forefront of it. 

 

The multipolar world is taking off and the unipolar world led by the USA and their European sycophants in tow are in real danger... The multipolar world is made up of all the countries that have at one time or another been victims of the west and they have a huge axe to grind.

 

The BRICS is about to explode with over 40 countries ready to join and another 50 countries interested... The 5 current members of BRICS have a collective GDP that is bigger than the combined G7 countries.... The BRICS countries within the next 2 years will hold up to 80% of the global oil and gas export markets....

 

The multipolar world is where the resources are that the west can't live without.... I see a seperation happening where the west will be cut off by the rest of the world which makes up 85% of the global population and they have a massive axe to grind with the west, they won't forget history... I can see them cutting the west off from trade and that will be the total collapse of the west.

 

Nobody needs the west, they are drenched in debt, they live off the printing press, they are a fading market... 

 

The UK is probably going to take the biggest hit of all... They are cheerleading the USA on for war with China and ther Brits are desperate to be involved. If they think the sanctions on Russia backfired onto themselves, wait to see what sanctions on China does to them.

No lack of posts by foreign Trump fans cheering on Putin, or desiring a multipolar world.

 

They support Trump because they want to see a weaker America.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

 

No lack of posts by foreign Trump fans cheering on Putin, or desiring a multipolar world.

 

They support Trump because they want to see a weaker America.

And they seem to be rejoicing that Russia may win against a U.S. ally!

Edited April 1 by candide

[candide]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You need to prove that Trump is a Putin supporter in real life and not just in your fevered imagination.

 

Which of us Trump supporters want to weaken America? You can't just go around making statements like that without some proof.

 

Prove it or it isn't true.

Long story. Trump started by supporting the invasion of Crimea, embracing Putin's denials about the shooting down of a commercial flight, etc....

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

[morrobay]

On 3/31/2024 at 9:06 AM, Danderman123 said:

 

 

Many of your colleagues here who support Trump also support weakening America, so that a multi-polar world emerges. That's not "America First", that's "America Last".

No. Multipolarity, internationalism , multiculturalism are politically left, liberal , progressive. Weakening America???. You mean opening the border for the multicultural invasion??  This is all your politics.  Completely opposite of the Right way of thinking. Oh maybe I get it now: let's blame the Right on this sorry mess of a biden/obama administration.

 

[candide]

30 minutes ago, morrobay said:

No. Multipolarity, internationalism , multiculturalism are politically left, liberal , progressive. Weakening America???. You mean opening the border for the multicultural invasion??  This is all your politics.  Completely opposite of the Right way of thinking. Oh maybe I get it now: let's blame the Right on this sorry mess of a biden/obama administration.

 

Posters supporting multipolarity "à la Putin" are nearly all right-wing, starting with Thaibeachlover.