On 3/30/2024 at 8:30 AM, Hummin said:

We all understand the complexity of this conflict, we understand the jews fighting for their existence, and we understand those behind 7. October must pay for what they did, and we also understand, Hamas have to lay down their weapons, and surrender! But thats not happening, instead Israel choose to kill civilians! 

 

 

You apparently do not understand since you conflate "the Jews" with the state of Israel.Earlier you seek to sanitize the crimes of October 7th by suggesting those horrors should be seen in context.You concede that those behind the October 7th massacre (ie Hamas and those that protect/support them) should be punished but like many critics of Israel you do not specify how Israel should do that.

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I believe Israel's figures .

Hamas have been shown to lie and repeatedly  lie .

Israel hasn't been sown to lie .

I don't believe the proven liars which Hamas are

You can believe proven liars, if you want though 

Anyway, what you believe,  is just a belief and should not be proof of anything, even 3 of you guys think so

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

One strategy of Israel, if there is one sniper in a building, they flatten the building  with bomb strikes without hesitation,  without checking how many civilians is in there. I Would not be surprised they count everyone in the building as Hamas. 

You "would not be surprised", so again, supposition favouring the terrorists. 🥴

1 minute ago, jayboy said:

 

You apparently do not understand since you conflate "the Jews" with the state of Israel.Earlier you seek to sanitize the crimes of October 7th by suggesting those horrors should be seen in context.You concede that those behind the October 7th massacre (ie Hamas and those that protect/support them) should be punished but like many critics of Israel you do not specify how Israel should do that.

Not by terror bombing civilians and force them on run in a district same size Detroit, and about same density of population, but no where to run! 

 

Not complicated to understand.

Just now, Wobblybob said:

You "would not be surprised", so again, supposition favouring the terrorists. 🥴

Definition of one part as terrorist only, and thats where your understanding stops. What Hamaz have done, have been done by Israeli guards and settlers for decades. 

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

One strategy of Israel, if there is one sniper in a building, they flatten the building  with bomb strikes without hesitation,  without checking how many civilians is in there. I Would not be surprised they count everyone in the building as Hamas. 

 

   You need to state what Israel actually do , rather than stating what wouldn't surprise you .

Israel knows who is members of Hamas and how many there are and their names .

They know how many there were and how many are left still alive .

   There's a lesson for us all there .

If you are ever in a building with a sniper firing from the window , then get out the building as quick as you can 

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You need to state what Israel actually do , rather than stating what wouldn't surprise you .

Israel knows who is members of Hamas and how many there are and their names .

They know how many there were and how many are left still alive .

   There's a lesson for us all there .

If you are ever in a building with a sniper firing from the window , then get out the building as quick as you can 

To run where ? Again, you are not willing to understand, no shelter is safe for civilians 

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Not by terror bombing civilians and force them on run in a district same size Detroit, and about same density of population, but no where to run! 

 

Not complicated to understand.

He is asking you how, "not by" does not equate to how! 

 

"Not complicated to understand"

Amyway, have a good ewening! 

 

All this posts is soon deleted, start over again tomorow!

 

It is a AN stupid trench war, 

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Not by terror bombing civilians and force them on run in a district same size Detroit, and about same density of population, but no where to run! 

 

Be specific and don't suggest what Israel ought not to have done.What in general terms should Israel have done in response to the October 7th atrocities?

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Definition of one part as terrorist only, and thats where your understanding stops. What Hamaz have done, have been done by Israeli guards and settlers for decades. 

Ah out comes the old chestnut. Cannot get a straight answer out of you!

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

To run where ? Again, you are not willing to understand, no shelter is safe for civilians 

No Hamas spent all the aid on tunnels and rockets instead of shelters for their civilians, prioritize!

2 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

No Hamas spent all the aid on tunnels and rockets instead of shelters for their civilians, prioritize!

Again, in the nature of zize of their territory they are forced to live and delete in. 

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Again, in the nature of zize of their territory they are forced to live and delete in. 

gobbledygook

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

To run where ? Again, you are not willing to understand, no shelter is safe for civilians 

 

   To a building where there aren't any snipers would be my choice of location 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

gobbledygook

Exactly! Your level of debating 

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Exactly! Your level of debating 

 

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Again, in the nature of zize of their territory they are forced to live and delete in. 

Not really, that's why I pointed it out as such..............

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

gobbledygook

 

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Exactly! Your level of debating 

When the debate is lost out come the insults!

24 minutes ago, Hummin said:

To run where ? Again, you are not willing to understand, no shelter is safe for civilians 

 

Civilians were given safe areas to go to .

     "But Israel bombed those areas as well"

They were bombed accidently

    "No, Israel bombed them deliberately in their genocide attempt"

Its not genocide as blah blah blad 

 

   Anyway, back on topic

 

 

4 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

 

When the debate is lost out come the insults!

😆 Right man to speak 👏 

 

You two should be proud of yourselves 

Just now, Hummin said:

😆 Right man to speak 👏 

 

You two should be proud of yourselves 

You're at it again, calm down dear its only a forum, but not just any forum, this is a M & S forum, probably the best forum in all the world. 😗

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4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That isn't correct , the total number of Palestinians  killed is 30 000 , about half of those killed have been Hamas members 

No evidence that "half of those killed have been Hamas members".

Perhaps if you count women who voted for Hamas as a political party. The other half killed are children so they don't vote. 

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You need to state what Israel actually do , rather than stating what wouldn't surprise you .

Israel knows who is members of Hamas and how many there are and their names .

They know how many there were and how many are left still alive .

   There's a lesson for us all there .

If you are ever in a building with a sniper firing from the window , then get out the building as quick as you can 

Genocide for all the world to see. That's stating what Israel is actually doing. 

4 hours ago, jayboy said:

 

Be specific and don't suggest what Israel ought not to have done.What in general terms should Israel have done in response to the October 7th atrocities?

Jayboy is an Israeli troll. Ignore 

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yawn. Now do some basic research. Try the UN investigation first followed by survivors testimony.

Totally debunked. Read up BKK Brian

10 minutes ago, SomNaNa555 said:

No evidence that "half of those killed have been Hamas members".

Perhaps if you count women who voted for Hamas as a political party. The other half killed are children so they don't vote. 

 

 

   I have already stated, I really don't want to spend more time talking about Children , Hamas supporters always seem to want to talk about Children, for some reason .

  

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

   I have already stated, I really don't want to spend more time talking about Children , Hamas supporters always seem to want to talk about Children, for some reason .

  

Perhaps because the war crime that includes killing of children is particularly despicable? 

10 minutes ago, SomNaNa555 said:

Totally debunked. Read up BKK Brian

A report from The Intercept details the controversy around ZAKA, an Israeli ultra-Orthodox NGO, and its role in disseminating unverified atrocity stories following a conflict. Israeli media debunked ZAKA's claims about atrocities committed on October 7, exposing discrepancies and fabrications in their accounts. These stories were initially circulated globally, influencing perceptions of the conflict and supporting Israel's military actions against Gaza. Despite evidence questioning their accuracy, major international media outlets, including The New York Times, have continued to feature ZAKA's narratives without substantial scrutiny. 

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I did mean that the target was a mistake, although the bombing was intentional, the intended target was Hamas and the soldiers thought Hamas were in the vehicles 

More lies from the Israelis