Foreigners among World Central Kitchen staff killed in Israeli strike

[Rimmer]

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[Danny Australia]

Al Jazeera Sanad probe: Israeli forces deliberately hit WCK convoy | Israel War on Gaza News | Al Jazeera

 

Quite impressive and credible investigation by Al Jazeera has found that the multiple attacks on WCK convoy were, in fact, intentional contrary to Israel’s claim.

 

Basing the research on open-source information, witness testimonies, and images from the site, a chronological and geographical timeline of the events was constructed.

 

One can read the report, evaluate the veracity of the evidence then formulate a view on what really might have happened.

[Wobblybob]

Hamas purposely slaughtered 1,200 Israelis on 7/10 and today 7 aid workers were tragically killed by Israeli ground troops, why does the latter of the two trouble more people than the former, surely some people need to question their own motives.

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

Al Jazeera Sanad probe: Israeli forces deliberately hit WCK convoy | Israel War on Gaza News | Al Jazeera

 

Quite impressive and credible investigation by Al Jazeera has found that the multiple attacks on WCK convoy were, in fact, intentional contrary to Israel’s claim.

 

Basing the research on open-source information, witness testimonies, and images from the site, a chronological and geographical timeline of the events was constructed.

 

One can read the report, evaluate the veracity of the evidence then formulate a view on what really might have happened.

That, it was deliberate is pretty obvious, the earlier reports attest to that. The question here is why they decided to strike this convoy. My only guess at the moment is they thought it was Hamas being transported inside. Its well documented they have used ambulances before for their own transport and for weapons. Not saying that's what it was as a full investigation has not been completed but I think there was some serious lack of commination as to who was inside the vehicles.

[NickyLouie]

Was a pickup full of of hired military contractors and some fake AID workers, what did they expect?

 

[JustAnotherHun]

How many Hamas heroes did hide behind and between the aid workers?

[Bkk Brian]

The 3 British killed were part of a security team apparently, wonder if they also had weapons and maybe mistaken for Hamas?

 

Poole-based Solace Global trio killed in Gaza strike

British victims John Chapman, 57, who reportedly lived in Poole, James "Jim" Henderson, 33, and James Kirby, 47, were part of the World Central Kitchen (WCK) security team.

The Sun reported that they worked for security company Solace Global, based in Poole.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/24227458.poole-based-solace-global-trio-killed-gaza-strike/

 

 

[Dogmatix]

1 hour ago, Wobblybob said:

Hamas purposely slaughtered 1,200 Israelis on 7/10 and today 7 aid workers were tragically killed by Israeli ground troops, why does the latter of the two trouble more people than the former, surely some people need to question their own motives.

Most have already condemned the atrocities and war crimes committed by Hamas but now they have been eclipsed by the far more numerous atrocities and war crimes committed by Israel.

[simple1]

5 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Hamas has a storied history of hiding behind civilian labels and charities.  You know, like digging tunnels and bunkers underneath hospitals, using schools for weapons storage, using ambulances to transport terrorists, firing missiles from mosques, etc.  So no surprise that the Israelis might have not simply taken them at their word about this particular vehicle. 

 

I assume you're unaware the NGOs route had already been cleared with the IDF.

[Jeff the Chef]

28 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The 3 British killed were part of a security team apparently, wonder if they also had weapons and maybe mistaken for Hamas?

 

Poole-based Solace Global trio killed in Gaza strike

British victims John Chapman, 57, who reportedly lived in Poole, James "Jim" Henderson, 33, and James Kirby, 47, were part of the World Central Kitchen (WCK) security team.

The Sun reported that they worked for security company Solace Global, based in Poole.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/24227458.poole-based-solace-global-trio-killed-gaza-strike/

 

 

 

Some good information in this post, hopefully we will get some form of protection for all aid workers after this investigation is concluded.

 

Mr Netanyahu said in a statement: "Unfortunately, over the last day, there was a tragic incident of an unintended strike of our forces on innocent people in the Gaza Strip."

He said officials "will do everything for this not to happen again".

US President Joe Biden said he was "outraged and heartbroken" by the deaths and said he had spoken to WCK founder Jose Andres.

"Israel has not done enough to protect aid workers trying to deliver desperately needed help to civilians," he said.

"Incidents like yesterday's simply should not happen. Israel has also not done enough to protect civilians."

He said an Israeli investigation "must be swift, it must bring accountability and its findings must be made public".

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Some good information in this post, hopefully we will get some form of protection for all aid workers after this investigation is concluded.

 

Mr Netanyahu said in a statement: "Unfortunately, over the last day, there was a tragic incident of an unintended strike of our forces on innocent people in the Gaza Strip."

He said officials "will do everything for this not to happen again".

US President Joe Biden said he was "outraged and heartbroken" by the deaths and said he had spoken to WCK founder Jose Andres.

"Israel has not done enough to protect aid workers trying to deliver desperately needed help to civilians," he said.

"Incidents like yesterday's simply should not happen. Israel has also not done enough to protect civilians."

He said an Israeli investigation "must be swift, it must bring accountability and its findings must be made public".

Maybe the so-called 'aid workers' need to stay the hell out of a war zone.  

 

Can anyone tell me how much Hamas has done "to protect civilians"? It seems the blame is very one sided.  

[Wobblybob]

9 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

Most have already condemned the atrocities and war crimes committed by Hamas but now they have been eclipsed by the far more numerous atrocities and war crimes committed by Israel.

Most haven't condemned the 7/10 atrocities, not sincerely anyway!

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Some good information in this post, hopefully we will get some form of protection for all aid workers after this investigation is concluded.

 

Mr Netanyahu said in a statement: "Unfortunately, over the last day, there was a tragic incident of an unintended strike of our forces on innocent people in the Gaza Strip."

He said officials "will do everything for this not to happen again".

US President Joe Biden said he was "outraged and heartbroken" by the deaths and said he had spoken to WCK founder Jose Andres.

"Israel has not done enough to protect aid workers trying to deliver desperately needed help to civilians," he said.

"Incidents like yesterday's simply should not happen. Israel has also not done enough to protect civilians."

He said an Israeli investigation "must be swift, it must bring accountability and its findings must be made public".

Some good information in this post

 

Yes:

 

38 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The 3 British killed were part of a security team apparently, wonder if they also had weapons and maybe mistaken for Hamas?

 

Poole-based Solace Global trio killed in Gaza strike

British victims John Chapman, 57, who reportedly lived in Poole, James "Jim" Henderson, 33, and James Kirby, 47, were part of the World Central Kitchen (WCK) security team.

The Sun reported that they worked for security company Solace Global, based in Poole.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/24227458.poole-based-solace-global-trio-killed-gaza-strike/

 

 

 

[Dogmatix]

1 minute ago, Wobblybob said:

Most haven't condemned the 7/10 atrocities, not sincerely anyway!

 

There has not been exactly fulsome condemnation of Israel's atrocities by Western governments either (even though there has been by the populations they claim to represent).  So let's just call that evens.

[Wobblybob]

Just now, Dogmatix said:

 

There has not been exactly fulsome condemnation of Israel's atrocities by Western governments either (even though there has been by the populations they claim to represent).  So let's just call that evens.

Let's not, let's remember who started this war.

[simple1]

3 hours ago, NativeBob said:

Isn't it the right time to apply NATO's article 5 and send polish and frehch forces to Israel?

 

No. Israel is not a member of NATO , nor have they been requested by Israel.

[Dogmatix]

17 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Let's not, let's remember who started this war.

 

Yes, but why did they start it and who decided to leave the border undefended after receiving credible warnings from Egypt and their own troops at the border?

[Wobblybob]

19 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

 

Yes, but why did they start it and who decided to leave the border undefended after receiving credible warnings from Egypt and their own troops at the border?

They started it because they hate Jews, pure and simple. These people are psychopaths who care for no-ones lives not even their own!

[NativeBob]

32 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

No. Israel is not a member of NATO , nor have they been requested by Israel.

Exactly! So non-NATO country killed citizens of NATO coutries >>>> those vicious Macrong and Dooda should evoke #5. No?

[TroubleandGrumpy]

2 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

Al Jazeera Sanad probe: Israeli forces deliberately hit WCK convoy | Israel War on Gaza News | Al Jazeera

Quite impressive and credible investigation by Al Jazeera has found that the multiple attacks on WCK convoy were, in fact, intentional contrary to Israel’s claim.

Basing the research on open-source information, witness testimonies, and images from the site, a chronological and geographical timeline of the events was constructed.

One can read the report, evaluate the veracity of the evidence then formulate a view on what really might have happened.

I believe the IDF apology and admission - and I will believe their investigation report on what happened and why. 

I do not believe anything coming out of Al Jazeera regrading Israel.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

58 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

I assume you're unaware the NGOs route had already been cleared with the IDF.

Perhaps they took an accidental wrong turn and were going in a direction that was not 'approved' by IDF? 

Not stating anything as fact - just summising a reason why someone in IDF fired missiles at those vehicles.

Like many people - I will wait for IDF report and then decide - if there was no extenuating circumstances, then massive pressure will be applied to Israel to stop the 'mistakes'.

Yes I know that means Hamas will have 'won' because they will still be there - but too many mistakes is just too many mistakes,and Israel will have to move towards taking a different strategy for dealing with Gaza. 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

58 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Maybe the so-called 'aid workers' need to stay the hell out of a war zone.  

Can anyone tell me how much Hamas has done "to protect civilians"? It seems the blame is very one sided.  

We all know that Hamas' strategy has been to allow and even failitate the deaths of civilians (and Hamas non-military supporters) in order to gain world media attention (headlines like this one) and from that many world leader's support and for that 'pressure' to stop Israel finding and killing/arrresting all of them.  But IMO IDF has taken far too long to find and kill/detain Hamas forces - me thinks this will be a truning point and Israel will start developing an alternative stratgey. Perhaps they will leave and just build a bigger wall and refuse anyone from Gaza to enter Israel (like Eqypt does on their border with Gaza). Or perhaps they will try to maintain a presence in Gaza and from there try to enforce law ansd order and have a genberal election which hopefully will remove Hamas from the position of authority. IMO they should just leave and follow Egypt's lead, plus actively target and destroy Hamas cells when they pop back up or build more tunnels.  Hamas aint ever going to stop being terrorists and killing military and non-military Jews, and you would have more chance of killing all the coackroaches in New York than eradicating all the Hamas military and non-military supporters - short of nuclear strikes - but the cockroaches would survive that anyway.   

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

The 3 British killed were part of a security team apparently, wonder if they also had weapons and maybe mistaken for Hamas?

 

Poole-based Solace Global trio killed in Gaza strike

British victims John Chapman, 57, who reportedly lived in Poole, James "Jim" Henderson, 33, and James Kirby, 47, were part of the World Central Kitchen (WCK) security team.

The Sun reported that they worked for security company Solace Global, based in Poole.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/24227458.poole-based-solace-global-trio-killed-gaza-strike/

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Some good information in this post, hopefully we will get some form of protection for all aid workers after this investigation is concluded.

 

Mr Netanyahu said in a statement: "Unfortunately, over the last day, there was a tragic incident of an unintended strike of our forces on innocent people in the Gaza Strip."

He said officials "will do everything for this not to happen again".

US President Joe Biden said he was "outraged and heartbroken" by the deaths and said he had spoken to WCK founder Jose Andres.

"Israel has not done enough to protect aid workers trying to deliver desperately needed help to civilians," he said.

"Incidents like yesterday's simply should not happen. Israel has also not done enough to protect civilians."

He said an Israeli investigation "must be swift, it must bring accountability and its findings must be made public".

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Some good information in this post

 

Yes:

 

 

 

Wondering if the 3 British killed, who were security for the group were armed or not, will be obviously one of the first things checked by the investigation by the Israeli's I've no doubt.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

21 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

They started it because they hate Jews, pure and simple. These people are psychopaths who care for no-ones lives not even their own!

Nail on the head mate - and I think many well-meaning but ignorant of that fact people need to understand it more. The radical Muslim terrorists like Hamas would willingly press the button and kill everyone in the world, including themselves, if it means that all Christians and Jews will die. They see their own death in the jihad against Chritians and Jews as a positive thing if in doing so also kills them - they see it as gaining extra rewards in the Islamic version of heaven. 

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

 

Wondering if the 3 British killed, who were security for the group were armed or not, will be obviously one of the first things checked by the investigation by the Israeli's I've no doubt.

Yes, I didn't bother stating that because its just so obvious.....

[Jeff the Chef]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The 3 British killed were part of a security team apparently, wonder if they also had weapons and maybe mistaken for Hamas?

 

Poole-based Solace Global trio killed in Gaza strike

British victims John Chapman, 57, who reportedly lived in Poole, James "Jim" Henderson, 33, and James Kirby, 47, were part of the World Central Kitchen (WCK) security team.

The Sun reported that they worked for security company Solace Global, based in Poole.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/24227458.poole-based-solace-global-trio-killed-gaza-strike/

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

 

Wondering if the 3 British killed, who were security for the group were armed or not, will be obviously one of the first things checked by the investigation by the Israeli's I've no doubt.

 

18 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes, I didn't bother stating that because its just so obvious.....

 

But quick enough to say the 3 British killed were part of a security team apparently, and wonder if they also had weapons and maybe mistaken for Hamas?

[impulse]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Obviously a mistake but a big mistake.

There is the war war and the PR war.

Israel is losing the PR war badly.

Netanyahu should resign but of course he won't.

 

Mistake, yes.  But was it an accident?   Or a calculated strike that had an unexpected result on the world stage?

 

Regarding Netanyahu, seems a lot of Israelis agree:

 

The third day of a four-day anti-government demonstration quickly descended into chaos as protesters holding torches spread through neighborhoods in Jerusalem, heading for the prime minister’s residence.

 

https://www.rt.com/news/595319-israel-protest-netanyahu-residence/

 

If they did that in New York or London, it would be called out as anti-Semitism.  I wonder what they call it when Israelis do it?

 

[Bkk Brian]

37 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

 

But quick enough to say the 3 British killed were part of a security team apparently, and wonder if they also had weapons and maybe mistaken for Hamas?

Make of it what you will I don't care. 

 

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The 3 British killed were part of a security team apparently, wonder if they also had weapons and maybe mistaken for Hamas?

 

Poole-based Solace Global trio killed in Gaza strike

British victims John Chapman, 57, who reportedly lived in Poole, James "Jim" Henderson, 33, and James Kirby, 47, were part of the World Central Kitchen (WCK) security team.

The Sun reported that they worked for security company Solace Global, based in Poole.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/24227458.poole-based-solace-global-trio-killed-gaza-strike/

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

British aid workers 'all valued team members', says security firm
We're now hearing from Solace Global, the security firm that employed the three British citizens killed in Monday's strike.

Speaking to the BBC, non-executive director Matthew Harding says the men were "all valued team members, to whom we were very close" and it was a "tragic loss".

He adds that the man were working as "security and safety advisors to the convoy”.

He confirms their convoy was hit as they were returning to the compound after delivering food aid.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

It has been reported the vehicle was hit by a drone as the Israelis thought their was an armed terrorist inside. The vehicle was marked both on the roof and sides identifying as belonging to WCK. WCK had notified the IDF of it's passage per usual protocol. Israelis claiming a mistake was made is a laughable understatement. One hopes the person giving the order to fire faces a jail sentence.

According to Al Jazeera the "mistake" didn't happen just the once. It happened 3 times as the three vehicles were attacked in separate locations at different times. Al Jazeera has carried out an investigation and conclude that it was a deliberate action, which I think is self evident.

Sadly one suspects the people that ordered the assassinations will never face justice.

 

It's going to be interesting to see how israeli apologists can try to explain this one away.