connda Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 The first casualty of war is The Truth. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Tell that to the hostages in the tunnels suffering sexual abuse How does that negate the point I made? It doesn’t. Edited April 8 by Chomper Higgot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Just now, Chomper Higgot said: How does that negate the point I made? It doesn’t. I'm sure "you" think so 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: I'm sure "you" think so I was asking you. It appears you don’t have an answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 10 minutes ago, connda said: The first casualty of war is The Truth. This. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted April 8 Popular Post Share Posted April 8 Just now, Chomper Higgot said: I was asking you. It appears you don’t have an answer. Easy, it does not effect the hostages in the tunnels being sexually abused. I thought you may have found that pretty obvious, obviously not 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 3 hours ago, retarius said: The UN investigators apparently couldn't a single victim of rape. Their report is based on hearsay. Like most of your guesseroony............................. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 45 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Another example of gross pejorative generalizations. Protecting foreign folk again, I see....🤭 These people even thought the UK streets were paved in gold, they were told they were............😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Easy, it does not effect the hostages in the tunnels being sexually abused. I thought you may have found that pretty obvious, obviously not Maybe, and here’s a thought for you. The events of recent history played a part in the attack which lead to the hostages being in the tunnel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: Maybe, and here’s a thought for you. The events of recent history played a part in the attack which lead to the hostages being in the tunnel. Maybe, and here’s a thought for you. No, not maybe, what a vile statement. Here's another fact for you, there is no justification for holding hostages, period, no matter what went on in history. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Just now, transam said: Protecting foreign folk again, I see....🤭 These people even thought the UK streets were paved in gold, they were told they were............😂 IM sorry Trans, what are you banging on about? What ‘foreign folk’? About half of the Muslims in the UK were born in the UK, they are British. Perhaps you think I was somehow referring to those born elsewhere. Or maybe you were just being plain silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: Maybe, and here’s a thought for you. No, not maybe, what a vile statement. Here's another fact for you, there is no justification for holding hostages, period, no matter what went on in history. I agree, there is no justification for taking or holding hostages. But clearly it happens. So the question is why? Oh, but trying to understand why is excusing the behavior, so let’s not try to understand why. Let’s just pretend events happen in complete absence of any preliminary conditions. I think we owe it to the victims on both sides of this war to understand why. And asking why is not excusing anything. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: IM sorry Trans, what are you banging on about? What ‘foreign folk’? About half of the Muslims in the UK were born in the UK, they are British. Perhaps you think I was somehow referring to those born elsewhere. Or maybe you were just being plain silly. Even those who were born there, follow the stuff they were brought up on, look at the foreign "towns" in the UK, even Sharia law courts in the UK, but you dismiss all that because you have never seen it. Why are your friends risking life in a rubber dinghy's, tell me.......🤭 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Just now, Chomper Higgot said: I agree, there is no justification for taking or holding hostages. But clearly it happens. So the question is why? Oh, but trying to understand why is excusing the behavior, so let’s not try to understand why. Let’s just pretend events happen in complete absence of any preliminary conditions. I think we owe it to the victims on both sides of this war to understand why. And asking why is not excusing anything. How would I know what goes on in the mind of terrorists who rape, mutilate, murder and take hostages? I do know there is no justification and why there is a war now. Back to the topic, Why do you think 39% of Muslims in the UK deny these crimes happened and 37% deny rapes happened? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: I agree, there is no justification for taking or holding hostages. But clearly it happens. So the question is why? Oh, but trying to understand why is excusing the behavior, so let’s not try to understand why. Let’s just pretend events happen in complete absence of any preliminary conditions. I think we owe it to the victims on both sides of this war to understand why. And asking why is not excusing anything. "So the question is why"..........................🤣 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Just now, Bkk Brian said: How would I know what goes on in the mind of terrorists who rape, mutilate, murder and take hostages? I do know there is no justification and why there is a war now. Back to the topic, Why do you think 39% of Muslims in the UK deny these crimes happened and 37% deny rapes happened? Unfortunately, to understand it’s necessary to start asking why. When a line is drawn on the day of a terrorist attack and discussion of any recent events or history before the attack is being negated then you can be assured that someone doesn’t want something to be known, discussed or understood. Why do I think …… So now you are asking me to examine the beliefs of others, perhaps I need to look at their own past history, their own background, events that took place before the survey. Though to be honest my first question would be is the survey/report reliable? And if it were reliable I’d ask were are these Muslims getting their information on what is happening in Gaza? It all goes back to the source and being able to ask questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 7 minutes ago, transam said: "So the question is why"..........................🤣 I hear tell that having an open discussion on anything before the terrorist attack is a bit of a touchy subject. Until that happens I doubt any of us will get an answer, though we might be fed a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: 32% of Muslims want Sharia law in the UK Id like to see the breakdown between Male/Female on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Unfortunately, to understand it’s necessary to start asking why. When a line is drawn on the day of a terrorist attack and discussion of any recent events or history before the attack is being negated then you can be assured that someone doesn’t want something to be known, discussed or understood. Why do I think …… So now you are asking me to examine the beliefs of others, perhaps I need to look at their own past history, their own background, events that took place before the survey. Though to be honest my first question would be is the survey/report reliable? And if it were reliable I’d ask were are these Muslims getting their information on what is happening in Gaza? It all goes back to the source and being able to ask questions. Well you have not provided any other credible information to say the survey is not credible so that can be ruled out. But yes, its down to where the Muslims are getting their information, finally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said: Id like to see the breakdown between Male/Female on that. Yea interesting, it may be one of the questions asked? The direct link is here but the actual data is in an excel file to download https://jlpartners.com/polling-results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 4 hours ago, Hawaiian said: More than just sad. The Brits had better do something pretty quick before the religious fanatics take over. I"ll leave to your imagination as what should be done. Its too late and been too late for 20+ years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Well you have not provided any other credible information to say the survey is not credible so that can be ruled out. But yes, its down to where the Muslims are getting their information, finally. I don’t have to provide alternative information in order to question the impartiality of a source. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Popular Post Share Posted April 8 5 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said: Id like to see the breakdown between Male/Female on that. I’d like to see the source data, sample size, sample selection criteria and the questions asked. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 2 hours ago, Pouatchee said: that is what happens when a country has an open immigration policy. eventually the 4-6th generation natives get replaced by the newly arrived that actually procreate. eventually the original values get thrown out the window and get replaced by new values that will keep the majority happy. seeing that in canada over the last 25 years... The UK has muslims in many many important positions now Scottish 1st minister, Mayor of London etc and imo corruption amongst them will be rife , but it runs right down to local councils, the BBC and much much more. Years ago opposite my house there was a row of shops, they applied for permission for hot food, this had always been denied neighbours didnt want late night noise fish n chip wrappers and no parking. Initially denied, they went to court appealed and won on the condition they provided parking at the rear of the shop.16 years later there is still no car park, they just hope no one inc the council who all their buddies are on ( Birmingham) do anything, and so far no one ever followed up despite complaints, Youi can drive through Sparkhill in Birmingham and what used to be a clean tidy well kept neighbourhood with grocery stores is now a dump with litter everywhere its predominantly asian, they just dont care about the area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted April 8 Popular Post Share Posted April 8 11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: I don’t have to provide alternative information in order to question the impartiality of a source. I noticed, baseless speculation is enough for you. I bet you've not even bothered to go to the direct source to view the file 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: I’d like to see the source data, sample size, sample selection criteria and the questions asked. 16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: The direct link is here but the actual data is in an excel file to download https://jlpartners.com/polling-results Excellent and thank you for the link. From which we learn that the head and shoulders highest agreement amongst the 1000 British Muslims polled was to the question: Israel is committing genocide on Palestinians 80% of those British Muslims agree, while 46% in the polled general population agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: I noticed, baseless speculation is enough for you. I bet you've not even bothered to go to the direct source to view the file It’s not baseless speculation to say the HJS is a neoliberal think tank with a history of stoking Islamophobia. View the file? Refer above: Edited April 8 by Chomper Higgot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: Excellent and thank you for the link. From which we learn that the head and shoulders highest agreement amongst the 1000 British Muslims polled was to the question: Israel is committing genocide on Palestinians 80% of those British Muslims agree, while 46% in the polled general population agree. Right, only to be expected since around half think there were no crimes committed on the 7th Oct! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Just now, Chomper Higgot said: It’s not baseless speculation to say the HJS is a neoliberal think tank with a history of stoking Islamophobia. Deflection again. That is not the source, just because they commissioned it does not make them the source, do you want me to again post the same quote? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: Right, only to be expected since around half think there were no crimes committed on the 7th Oct! I see so you make a bet I haven’t looked at the file then you disregard data I quote from the file. If you don’t like the data I quoted from the file why do you accept the data you refer to from the same file? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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