RobU Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Right on the money Rob. I have a friend in Phuket who tells me the whole charity front is a complete sham, and that it is simply a cash cow, funded by the well meaning incurious and gullible. I actually hope it does continue as a petting zoo under new management and ownership with the profits actually going back into the business. It seems to provide employment for elephant owners and their families, I believe it takes a lot of food to feed an elephant. Perhaps under collective ownership of the 'employees' Edited April 12 by RobU 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IslandLover Posted April 12 Popular Post Share Posted April 12 8 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: As he runs/ran an apparently successful elephant sanctuary also, why shouldn't he use his own money to travel as he sees fit? It's not an elephant "sanctuary" (for mistreated animals) when you have to rent them. It's just another money-making tourist attraction. 🙄 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 It's gonna cost him, the bargaining has begun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujayujay Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 It seems that well-filled brown envelopes have already been handed over.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umlungu Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 12 hours ago, damo1967 said: I can only hope this guy's days in Thailand are numbered. A coward.. a woman basher.. a weak bully.. a poor excuse for a man. He does not belong in Thailand. I can see many protests if this POS is allowed to remain in Thailand. A bully will never pick on or fight some-one of equal strength or greater strength. This is what this coward did.. kicked a Thai lady innocently sitting on some steps minding her own business. I have said this before:- "Would he have kicked a man in the back? Would he have kicked a man with a 'muay thai' shirt on? OF COURSE NOT... He needs to be removed permanently from Thailand. (not even going to mention the 'ambulance' video).. a POS that needs to go! 'A coward.. a woman basher.. a weak bully.. a poor excuse for a man.' Like most Thai men, then. Seems he fits right in. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umlungu Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 12 hours ago, damo1967 said: I can only hope this guy's days in Thailand are numbered. A coward.. a woman basher.. a weak bully.. a poor excuse for a man. He does not belong in Thailand. I can see many protests if this POS is allowed to remain in Thailand. A bully will never pick on or fight some-one of equal strength or greater strength. This is what this coward did.. kicked a Thai lady innocently sitting on some steps minding her own business. I have said this before:- "Would he have kicked a man in the back? Would he have kicked a man with a 'muay thai' shirt on? OF COURSE NOT... He needs to be removed permanently from Thailand. (not even going to mention the 'ambulance' video).. a POS that needs to go! 'A coward.. a woman basher.. a weak bully.. a poor excuse for a man.' Like most Thai men, then. Seems he fits right in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umlungu Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 7 hours ago, Paris333 said: Pachyderm human behaviour against to Thai lady from scientific community. Golden visa is involved in this corruption system and lawyers use "collaterals" to support the Swiss client. Where is Thai scientific community to support Thai doctor? Its not a sipmle "isolated case" against Thai civilians from European territory. At least 5 years ban to ender again Thailand because human rights and dig human nity is not "negotiated" at any price. So funny. 'Scientific community'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umlungu Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 6 hours ago, Acharn said: Eyes like stones, and throwing a gang sign. I'll be glad if he's finally expelled from the Kingdom. Come on, show us your eyes then. Throwing a gang sign? Pathetic, little kids do it. Grow up, you're full of hate and prejudice. Btw, let's also have a look at the 'doctor's' eyes while we're at it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somrak Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 This Thai Junior "Doc" should BE investigatet and the about she not get hurt prosecuted! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikeith Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 19 hours ago, ChrisY1 said: Ok...so now the Governor is involved as well as top cops.....all they need now is a bent lawyer. A familiar tale. It's becoming clear that elephants are more important than kicked doctors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 17 hours ago, BigStar said: Maybe it's time to give up this irrelevant whataboutism we love to whinge constantly. On the the other hand, would he have kicked a farang who could fight back? No that is not usually the mindset of a bully, bullies typically pick on people that can't fight back, it would sure be fun to have seen him kick somebody who is very competent in the martial arts, and watch the video of the reaction when Fehr was knocked down and on the ground crying and pleaing for mercy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 22 hours ago, chickenslegs said: Fishy indeed. "He finally opened the sanctuary with five pachyderms but it cost him all his savings. Slowly, the park is making a profit through half-day tours where visitors pay 2,500 Baht to bathe with elephants and get their photos taken. The money is immediately invested in the rescue of new animals." If he spent all his savings, and all income from the "sanctuary" is reinvested in it, where does the money for a luxury villa and expensive cars come from? "If he spent all his savings, and all income from the "sanctuary" is reinvested in it, where does the money for a luxury villa and expensive cars come from?" Good point! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 6 hours ago, Somrak said: This Thai Junior "Doc" should BE investigatet and the about she not get hurt prosecuted! Pardon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy one Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 22 hours ago, chickenslegs said: Fishy indeed. "He finally opened the sanctuary with five pachyderms but it cost him all his savings. Slowly, the park is making a profit through half-day tours where visitors pay 2,500 Baht to bathe with elephants and get their photos taken. The money is immediately invested in the rescue of new animals." If he spent all his savings, and all income from the "sanctuary" is reinvested in it, where does the money for a luxury villa and expensive cars come from? Not from renting out his attractive 🐃 / wife 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 18 hours ago, Srikcir said: Some related articles: "Phuket Revokes Swiss Man's Elephant Foundation License," March 11 in Phuket News. "Phuket officials are moving to cancel the license of an elephant foundation owned by Urs Fehr, a Swiss national after he reportedly assaulted a Thai woman on a beach. The action, confirmed by Governor Sophon Suwannarat" "Phuket’s Elephant Sanctuary Controversy: Urs Fehr’s License Revoked amid Wildlife Conservation Concerns" By editorial team March 10, 2024 by CTN News "The sanctuary itself, boasting 14 elephants and sprawling over 40,000 square meters near Surin Beach" Governor Sophon Suwannarat announced that investigators had discovered that Urs Fehr’s Green Elephant Sanctuary Park was being utilized illegally and that its license would be cancelled. "Swiss Man Has License to Elephant Sanctuary in Phuket Revoked," published March 10, 2024 "According to Governor Sophon, the Green Elephant Sanctuary Park has 14 elephants, 13 of which are hired 13 and one brought from the northern province of Phrae." (my bold) "Phuket officials are moving to cancel the license ....." Of course, these things take time, what with all the paperwork to fill in, and mulling over all the different options of how to make some money out of it, while appearing to be doing the "right thing" so that the image of the country is not affected? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 42 minutes ago, sambum said: "Phuket officials are moving to cancel the license ....." Of course, these things take time, what with all the paperwork to fill in, and mulling over all the different options of how to make some money out of it, while appearing to be doing the "right thing" so that the image of the country is not affected? I hope they don't revoke the license, just get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydebolle Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 18 hours ago, BigStar said: Our posters with educations of much higher excellence than yours have already rejected the term bribe in favor of settlement. Well, I would have to disagree; settlement is certainly not covering bribing ....... You settle a dispute amicably (or not), you settle a bill, i.e. it is the end of something when you "settle". A bribe can and is more often than not reoccurring and does not explicitly have to be based on a dispute or an open bill; it can be a "token of appreciation" which would not be covered by "settlement". As a non-native English speaker I am always amazed, how diversified and to-the-point English can be; for good measure throw in idioms and Bob's your uncle! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 9 hours ago, Somrak said: This Thai Junior "Doc" should BE investigatet and the about she not get hurt prosecuted! English language version of your comment would be appreciated, when you can find the time …. many thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eloquent pilgrim Posted April 13 Popular Post Share Posted April 13 19 hours ago, BigStar said: Our posters with educations of much higher excellence than yours have already rejected the term bribe in favor of settlement. Well, they are all wrong; if it was a settlement, it would need to be negotiated directly between the interested parties, almost always in the presence of the police. The police need to be involved in negotiations to be sure that both parties are happy with any agreement; this insures that a case cannot be brought at a later date by a plaintive that has agreed to a settlement. She however, received a clandestine approach by a third party and was asked to take a bribe to drop any charges. It is a bribe, to call it a settlement shows a staggering lack of knowledge as to the meaning of the two words, bribe & settlement. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 14 hours ago, IslandLover said: 22 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: As he runs/ran an apparently successful elephant sanctuary also, why shouldn't he use his own money to travel as he sees fit? It's not an elephant "sanctuary" (for mistreated animals) when you have to rent them. It's just another money-making tourist attraction. That wasn't my point, at all, whatever the business is, it is his business so it is up to him how he spends the proceeds. I'll rephrase my previous comment for you... "As he runs/ran an apparently successful elephant park also, why shouldn't he use his own money to travel as he sees fit?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 17 hours ago, RobU said: 22 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: As he runs/ran an apparently successful elephant sanctuary also, why shouldn't he use his own money to travel as he sees fit? Lou, it's a charity not a business. The Green Elephant Sanctuary is not a charity, where does it claim to be such an entity ? Show me otherwise, if you have that information. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStar Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Well, they are all wrong; if it was a settlement, it would need to be negotiated directly between the interested parties, almost always in the presence of the police. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobU Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 4 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: The Green Elephant Sanctuary is not a charity, where does it claim to be such an entity ? Show me otherwise, if you have that information. A front for donations i.e. a charity https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/boredom-in-switzerland-leads-to-an-elephant-refuge-in-thailand/47207918 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandLover Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 5 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: That wasn't my point, at all, whatever the business is, it is his business so it is up to him how he spends the proceeds. I'll rephrase my previous comment for you... "As he runs/ran an apparently successful elephant park also, why shouldn't he use his own money to travel as he sees fit?" I'm sure he loves living the high life on money he's conned out of others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, RobU said: 6 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: The Green Elephant Sanctuary is not a charity, where does it claim to be such an entity ? Show me otherwise, if you have that information. A front for donations i.e. a charity https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/boredom-in-switzerland-leads-to-an-elephant-refuge-in-thailand/47207918 Yes, that article has been linked, ad nauseum, but nowhere in it is there a request for donations, or that is is a charity. It actually refers to it's profit-making success through visitors paying for tours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, IslandLover said: I'm sure he loves living the high life on money he's conned out of others. How was he "conning money out of others"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobU Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: Yes, that article has been linked, ad nauseum, but nowhere in it is there a request for donations, or that is is a charity. It actually refers to it's profit-making success through visitors paying for tours. You have a point Lou 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vangrop Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 I know it is bodyshaming. But when you look at the Swiss guy's face, he would perfectly cast as the bad guy in next James Bond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzique Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) On 4/12/2024 at 6:27 AM, chickenslegs said: If he spent all his savings, and all income from the "sanctuary" is reinvested in it, where does the money for a luxury villa and expensive cars come from? https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/boredom-in-switzerland-leads-to-an-elephant-refuge-in-thailand/47207918 Probably from renting out the group of former American soldiers he employs. Why does a Swiss guy who used to work in 'security' want to employ former US soldiers to help him run an Elephant sanctuary? Especially when his landlord is a former Thai Army Pilot One can only wonder his true source of income. Sound more like the A team than the E Team here But he is connected. A friend of a friend. Watch the brush start to sweep it under the carpet. https://thainewsroom.com/2024/03/04/senior-phuket-policeman-just-a-friend-of-a-friend-of-swiss-man-facing-charges/ Edited April 15 by Muzzique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 On 4/13/2024 at 8:02 PM, Liverpool Lou said: Yes, that article has been linked, ad nauseum, but nowhere in it is there a request for donations, or that is is a charity. It actually refers to it's profit-making success through visitors paying for tours. In addition to the Green Elephant Sanctuary Park, Fehr also runs the Green Elephant Wildlife Foundation, which does collect donations. But I'm sure that everything is "above board". https://www.pattayamail.com/thailandnews/phuket-revokes-license-of-elephant-foundation-owned-by-swiss-expat-454791 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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