A Conspiracy Theorist Sets Himself on Fire Outside Trump Hush Money Trial

[pomchop]

yet another person who seems to go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories ....shame on everyone who promotes this crazy crap as well as the various platforms that retweet or continue to display such garbage ....there seem to be a lot of people that thrive on believing everything they read on the internet and many of them seem to think that they are somehow "brilliant" to have found a theory to fit whatever they want to believe ...

 

 

Edited April 20 by pomchop

[Homburg]

RIP This guy was someone's son. Let's show some humanity, please.

[Tug]

19 hours ago, riclag said:

Where have all the mental asylum’s gone!

The radical far Left just made a fiery protest.
imop

“Azzarello claimed “elites” have peddled fear in a bid to “gobble up all the wealth they could and then yank the rug out from under us so they could pivot to a hellish fascist dystopia.”

 

“Trump’s in on it,”Azzarello told the Times on Thursday, saying his beliefs were influenced by his digging into Peter Thiel, the venture capitalist and big political donor”. 

https://nypost.com/2024/04/19/us-news/man-who-set-self-on-fire-outside-trump-trial-idd-as-max-azzarello/

Unfortunately it seems many have joined the maga party 

[Walker88]

Poor fellow.

 

The bizarre world of conspiracy 'theorists' is heavily skewed toward trumpers, no matter what this poor fellow's politics happened to be. Conspiracy theorist's favorite phrase seems to be "do the research", which supposedly was what gave them great insight into truths (sic). The internet not only allows such people to find whatever they want, but also allows them to link up and reinforce each others' beliefs. The poor fellow at the heart of this article undoubtedly found what fit his biases online. He seems to have bought into a cornucopia of the many popular conspiracy theories.

 

Here's a few of these "popular" conspiracy theories:

 

1) The world of QAnon (for those who don't know, this is a belief that an international cabal, led by people such as Hillary Clinton and actor Tom Hanks, kidnap, rape, roast and eat human babies) is 99.999% trumpers, and has about 20-25% of Americans as believers. They are ubiquitous at trump rallies, holding giant Q signs, and they were a substantial element of the terrorists who stormed the Capitol at trump's bidding on 6 January 2021, toting their Q banners. It is unclear if trump actually believes the whole Q drivel or not, but he most certainly panders to it and feeds into it. One of the QAnon beliefs is that trump was going to lead The Great Storm, which would round up all the supposed baby-eaters and reinstall trump as POTUS, first at the time of the 6 January attack, then in August of 2021, then August of 2022, then August of 2023. trump even discussed his re-installation in an interview, claiming it would happen and telling the interviewer, "It's too complicated for you to understand". In 2022 trump posted an image of himself on Truth Social wearing a Q lapel pin with the words "The Storm is Coming" (It can be found on trump's Truth Social history).

 

2) trump himself was the originator of the conspiracy theory about "stolen" election, having his team issue the phrase "Stop the Steal". All sorts of absurdities were added to this conspiracy theory, the craziest being from trump's lawyer Sidney Powell, who claimed dead former Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez rose from the grave, wrote computer code which he uploaded to an Italian satellite, which subsequently altered votes on Dominion and Smartmatic voting machines. Fox News even aired some of this nonsense, and was subsequently fined $787 million and still faces a $2 billion lawsuit from Smartmatic. My Pillow founder Mike Lindell added his own crazy theories, is constantly announcing 'proof is coming soon', but his proof is like Godot. Sadly, this trump-initiated conspiracy theory was largely behind the terror attack on the Capitol. Another former trump lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, also claimed he had proof coming, but never produced any.

 

3) Yet another conspiracy theory is "weaponization of the Justice Dept", which non-conspiracy theorists just call accountability. trumpers insist that the very fact that trump has been charged with so many crimes is "proof" of a DoJ conspiracy, seemingly forgetting that trump is perfectly capable of committing so many crimes, and the evidence and testimony from former trump officials are what resulted in the current 91 felony charges against trump. trumpers could use Occam's Razor, but refuse to do so.

 

4) George Soros...Soros is a favorite target of conspiracy theorists, though one has to wonder why. It likely has an anti-Semitic element to it. Whenever an event happens that riles the far right and trumpers, Soros is always blamed for funding or fomenting it. The more batsh!t crazy conspiracy theorists even claim Soros is some sort of shape-shifting 10' Lizard who takes human form to cause all sorts of mischief.

 

5) Globalists...this is a kind of catchall where everything can be tossed into one package, and seems to be part of what drove the man who self-immolated to madness. Globalists are apparently some sort of cabal that either already runs the world or has some special plans to do so. Somehow, international leaders who hate each other or major businessmen who are in constant competition are actually all part of some highly cooperative group that tries to keep the people down and use the masses for their own personal gain.

 

6) Lots of other weird conspiracies are embraced, such as "chemtrails", FEMA Camps, 9-11 Truthers, the rogue planet Nibiru, and others that would be even funnier if for the fact so many believe them. It is a sad reality that on balance all of these believers gravitate toward trumpism.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Poor fellow.

 

The bizarre world of conspiracy 'theorists' is heavily skewed toward trumpers, no matter what this poor fellow's politics happened to be. Conspiracy theorist's favorite phrase seems to be "do the research", which supposedly was what gave them great insight into truths (sic). The internet not only allows such people to find whatever they want, but also allows them to link up and reinforce each others' beliefs. The poor fellow at the heart of this article undoubtedly found what fit his biases online. He seems to have bought into a cornucopia of the many popular conspiracy theories.

 

Here's a few of these "popular" conspiracy theories:

 

1) The world of QAnon (for those who don't know, this is a belief that an international cabal, led by people such as Hillary Clinton and actor Tom Hanks, kidnap, rape, roast and eat human babies) is 99.999% trumpers, and has about 20-25% of Americans as believers. They are ubiquitous at trump rallies, holding giant Q signs, and they were a substantial element of the terrorists who stormed the Capitol at trump's bidding on 6 January 2021, toting their Q banners. It is unclear if trump actually believes the whole Q drivel or not, but he most certainly panders to it and feeds into it. One of the QAnon beliefs is that trump was going to lead The Great Storm, which would round up all the supposed baby-eaters and reinstall trump as POTUS, first at the time of the 6 January attack, then in August of 2021, then August of 2022, then August of 2023. trump even discussed his re-installation in an interview, claiming it would happen and telling the interviewer, "It's too complicated for you to understand". In 2022 trump posted an image of himself on Truth Social wearing a Q lapel pin with the words "The Storm is Coming" (It can be found on trump's Truth Social history).

 

2) trump himself was the originator of the conspiracy theory about "stolen" election, having his team issue the phrase "Stop the Steal". All sorts of absurdities were added to this conspiracy theory, the craziest being from trump's lawyer Sidney Powell, who claimed dead former Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez rose from the grave, wrote computer code which he uploaded to an Italian satellite, which subsequently altered votes on Dominion and Smartmatic voting machines. Fox News even aired some of this nonsense, and was subsequently fined $787 million and still faces a $2 billion lawsuit from Smartmatic. My Pillow founder Mike Lindell added his own crazy theories, is constantly announcing 'proof is coming soon', but his proof is like Godot. Sadly, this trump-initiated conspiracy theory was largely behind the terror attack on the Capitol. Another former trump lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, also claimed he had proof coming, but never produced any.

 

3) Yet another conspiracy theory is "weaponization of the Justice Dept", which non-conspiracy theorists just call accountability. trumpers insist that the very fact that trump has been charged with so many crimes is "proof" of a DoJ conspiracy, seemingly forgetting that trump is perfectly capable of committing so many crimes, and the evidence and testimony from former trump officials are what resulted in the current 91 felony charges against trump. trumpers could use Occam's Razor, but refuse to do so.

 

4) George Soros...Soros is a favorite target of conspiracy theorists, though one has to wonder why. It likely has an anti-Semitic element to it. Whenever an event happens that riles the far right and trumpers, Soros is always blamed for funding or fomenting it. The more batsh!t crazy conspiracy theorists even claim Soros is some sort of shape-shifting 10' Lizard who takes human form to cause all sorts of mischief.

 

5) Globalists...this is a kind of catchall where everything can be tossed into one package, and seems to be part of what drove the man who self-immolated to madness. Globalists are apparently some sort of cabal that either already runs the world or has some special plans to do so. Somehow, international leaders who hate each other or major businessmen who are in constant competition are actually all part of some highly cooperative group that tries to keep the people down and use the masses for their own personal gain.

 

6) Lots of other weird conspiracies are embraced, such as "chemtrails", FEMA Camps, 9-11 Truthers, the rogue planet Nibiru, and others that would be even funnier if for the fact so many believe them. It is a sad reality that on balance all of these believers gravitate toward trumpism.

 

   Shouldn't really politicise this guys death , by turning into a rant about Trump .

The deceased wasn't even a Trump supporter .

Rather suspicions that you have to keep repeating that the election wasn't stolen , like some posters keep needing to tell everyone that they aren't anti Semitic , for no apparent reason 

[Walker88]

17 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Shouldn't really politicise this guys death , by turning into a rant about Trump .

The deceased wasn't even a Trump supporter .

Rather suspicions that you have to keep repeating that the election wasn't stolen , like some posters keep needing to tell everyone that they aren't anti Semitic , for no apparent reason 

Lots of folks need constant reminders that the election wasn't stolen and that nearly 4 years later zero proof of any theft has been presented. That crazy conspiracy theory/trump lie resulted in the terrorist attack on the US Capitol, so it is abundantly clear the constant reminder is absolutely necessary, especially as trump continues to lie about it to this day.

 

You might ask yourself why trump continues to lie about it. For what purpose?

[ballpoint]

Whatever your feelings towards this man, at least he had the grace to go out in a manner that only harmed himself, and not in a hail of gunfire, leaving innocent deaths in its wake.  For that, at least, we should respect him.

[Caldera]

That's a great way to get rid of conspiracy theorists.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, ballpoint said:

Whatever your feelings towards this man, at least he had the grace to go out in a manner that only harmed himself, and not in a hail of gunfire, leaving innocent deaths in its wake.  For that, at least, we should respect him.

 

   I will save my respect for people who do not commit suicide , those who keep going and who don't take the easy way out 

[Nick Carter icp]

5 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Lots of folks need constant reminders that the election wasn't stolen and that nearly 4 years later zero proof of any theft has been presented. That crazy conspiracy theory/trump lie resulted in the terrorist attack on the US Capitol, so it is abundantly clear the constant reminder is absolutely necessary, especially as trump continues to lie about it to this day.

 

You might ask yourself why trump continues to lie about it. For what purpose?

 

   There seemed to be a few of you who just have to regularly have the same discussion over and over again with both sides saying the same thing to each other over and over again  , it does get rather repetitive . 

   Although you do seem to be the last one left .

Maybe its time to finally move on ?

[stevenl]

20 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   There seemed to be a few of you who just have to regularly have the same discussion over and over again with both sides saying the same thing to each other over and over again  , it does get rather repetitive . 

   Although you do seem to be the last one left .

Maybe its time to finally move on ?

Discussion? No discussion possible, unless you like lies, the big lie.

[candide]

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Shouldn't really politicise this guys death , by turning into a rant about Trump .

The deceased wasn't even a Trump supporter .

Rather suspicions that you have to keep repeating that the election wasn't stolen , like some posters keep needing to tell everyone that they aren't anti Semitic , for no apparent reason 

What about Trump and other MAGA politicians repeating the Big Lie over and over? 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Discussion? No discussion possible, unless you like lies, the big lie.

 

  You are attempting to engage in a discussion though .

The election results have been discussed many many times , it really is time to move on to the next election 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

What about Trump and other MAGA politicians repeating the Big Lie over and over? 

 

   I have just had a look back though this thread and there haven't been any claims that the last election was stolen , so that claim wasn't repeated in this thread 

[candide]

22 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I have just had a look back though this thread and there haven't been any claims that the last election was stolen , so that claim wasn't repeated in this thread 

Was your comment's scope restricted to this thread only?

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

Was your comment's scope restricted to this thread only?

 

   I do think that the Trump/Biden 2020 election arguers should all give it a rest now .

You've both been arguing the same thing over and over again for four years now .

[candide]

17 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I do think that the Trump/Biden 2020 election arguers should all give it a rest now .

You've both been arguing the same thing over and over again for four years now .

It is the major component of Trump's campaign. How can it be ignored? If Trump hadn't been continuously claiming the Big Lie for four years now, nobody would have been arguing about it over and over.

 

Of course, we never read that type of comment from you when MAGA fans post about it....

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, candide said:

It is the major component of Trump's campaign. How can it be ignored? If Trump hadn't been continuously claiming the Big Lie for four years now, nobody would have been arguing about it over and over.

 

Of course, we never read that type of comment from you when MAGA fans post about it....

 

   Can't you all take it to your own threads and forums and argue amongst yourselves there ?

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Can't you all take it to your own threads and forums and argue amongst yourselves there ?

Feel free to ignore.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Feel free to ignore.

 

   You should try and keep on topic, rather than myself having to ignore off topic posts 

[candide]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Can't you all take it to your own threads and forums and argue amongst yourselves there ?

Sure, it's the posters' fault and not the fault of Trump and the other GOP politicians who are continuously claiming the Big Lie! 😃

As if one of the major U.S. political issues could be ignored in topics about U.S. politics......

BTW, why is it you never make this type of comments to MAGA posters when they post about it?

[Walker88]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   There seemed to be a few of you who just have to regularly have the same discussion over and over again with both sides saying the same thing to each other over and over again  , it does get rather repetitive . 

   Although you do seem to be the last one left .

Maybe its time to finally move on ?

And there you remain, holding up the trumpers' side.

 

Same thing over and over....I suppose one could say that about trump, Israel, Ukraine, Thailand-good-or-bad, Brit royals....nobody ever has his or her mind changed, but what the heck. The Forum has to have discussion, if it is to draw ads. I'm just doing my part for Capitalism.

 

By the way, I often ask trumpers to explain things, such as why trump stole all of those documents, why he lied about it, why he told Brad Raffensperger to "just find me...11,780 votes", why he called his goobers to DC for 6 Jan 21 Tweeting "It'll be WILD!", why he held the Mall rally and told his goobers to "march to the Capitol" and "fight like hell", or why trump could call out the DC police to forceably remove peaceful protesters from Lafayette Park just so trump could hold a Bible upside down for a photo op, but refused to send the DC National Guard to the Capitol on 6 January to break up a violent terrorist attack, despite being informed the DC Guard was standing ready to deploy. And NO, the Speaker does not have the authority to call the Guard...just the President.

 

No trumper ever offers any coherent explanation.

Edited April 21 by Walker88

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

And there you remain, holding up the trumpers' side.

 

Same thing over and over....I suppose one could say that about trump, Israel, Ukraine, Thailand-good-or-bad, Brit royals....nobody ever has his or her mind changed, but what the heck. The Forum has to have discussion, if it is to draw ads. I'm just doing my part for Capitalism.

 

By the way, I often ask trumpers to explain things, such as why trump stole all of those documents, why he lied about it, why he told Brad Raffensperger to "just find me...11,780 votes", why he called his goobers to DC for 6 Jan 21 Tweeting "It'll be WILD!", why he held the Mall rally and told his goobers to "march to the Capitol" and "fight like hell", or why trump could call out the DC police to forceably remove peaceful protesters from Lafayette Park just so trump could hold a Bible upside down for a photo op, but refused to send the DC National Guard to the Capitol on 6 January to break up a violent terrorist attack, despite being informed the DC Guard was standing ready to deploy. And NO, the Speaker does not have the authority to call the Guard...just the President.

 

No trumper ever offers any coherent explanation.

 

  Maybe they are just completely bored in talking about over and over again ?

You do seem desperate to have the same discussion again with someone  , but there doesn't seem to be anyone willing to be on the other side . 

   Seems like everyone's moved on and you're the last one left standing 

[Tug]

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I do think that the Trump/Biden 2020 election arguers should all give it a rest now .

You've both been arguing the same thing over and over again for four years now .

No one’s arguing one side is lying the correct side is calling them on it there’s no argument the FACTS don’t support the lie as far as the nutter being a coward for talking the (easy way out) as misguided as the man was self emoluation is not a easy way out that must have been agonizing boor bugger I hope the misguided fool has found peace 

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Maybe they are just completely bored in talking about over and over again ?

You do seem desperate to have the same discussion again with someone  , but there doesn't seem to be anyone willing to be on the other side . 

   Seems like everyone's moved on and you're the last one left standing 

Seems to me the one keeping this discussion on Trump's Big Lie is you. 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Seems to me the one keeping this discussion on Trump's Big Lie is you. 

 

  I haven't mentioned that once 

[stevenl]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  I haven't mentioned that once 

Agreed, but you still manage to keep the focus on the Big Lie.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Agreed, but you still manage to keep the focus on the Big Lie.

 

   You will have to find someone else to argue with as I finished arguing  about  Trump years ago  , can we get back on topic  ?

[stevenl]

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You will have to find someone else to argue with as I finished arguing  about  Trump years ago  , can we get back on topic  ?

Finally you're making sense by indicating you're going to do something you should have done quite a few posts ago already.

Edited April 21 by stevenl

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Finally you're making sense by indicating you're going to do something you should have done quite a few posts ago already.

 

  OK, blame me if you want  , I don't mind at all