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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

Only 4% of adults have gotten a dose of the most recent vaccine formulation. Vaccine uptake was lower in rural areas and among Native Americans and Alaska Natives.

 

https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid-booster-spring-2024-8603072

 

Predictably, you've posted long out-of-date info for the U.S. from a more than two  month old article.

 

The most recent current info (May 10) for the 2023-2024 monovalent vaccine in the U.S. is:

 

22.5% (22.1-22.8) for adults 18+

40.8% (39.7-41.8) among adults age 65+

 

https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/data-research/dashboard/vaccination-trends-children.html

 

Or in the U.K., where the newest vaccines are recommended for the elderly and other higher-risk populations:

 

 

https://ukhsa-dashboard.data.gov.uk/

 

The bottom line is: COVID vaccines worked. Tens of millions of lives were saved from COVID. And the protections from the vaccines along with immunity from prior infections have dramatically reduced the numbers of COVID deaths and hospitalizations, as the virus also has mutated over time to in general become less severe.

 

Meaning people today in 2024, right now, don't feel the same sense of urgent health risk that they did in 2021 and 2022, early in the vaccine rollout and with the more deadly COVID variants circulating in those times, when COVID death and hospitalization numbers were skyrocketing.

 

And there's also the factor of pandemic fatigue... Many people don't want to think or talk about COVID anymore, considering we're now 4-1/2 years into a COVID pandemic that officially killed 1.2 million people in the U.S. and more than 7 million worldwide (though the actual estimated deaths number worldwide has been projected to be some 4 times higher).

 

 

source:

 

[impulse]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Predictably, you've posted long out-of-date info for the U.S. from a more than two  month old article.

 

The most recent current info for the 2023-2024 monovalent vaccine in the U.S. is:

 

22.5% (22.1-22.8) for adults 18+

40.8% (39.7-41.8) among adults age 65+

 

"The science" says everyone over 6 months old should get a booster.  77.5% of adults over 18 have said, "no thank you".   Last time I checked, 77.5% was more than 22.5%.

 

Kinda agrees with the part of my post that you clipped out:  About 70% of U.S. adults have not received the most recent monovalent vaccine nor the bivalent vaccine that preceded it. 

 

Most folks seem to be rejecting "the science".  By almost a 3:1 margin.  Dang conspiracy theorists...

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html#When_Are_You_Up_to_Date?

 

[KhunLA]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

"The science" says everyone over 6 months old should get a booster.  77.5% of adults over 18 have said, "no thank you".   Last time I checked, 77.5% was more than 22.5%.

 

Kinda agrees with the part of my post that you clipped out:  About 70% of U.S. adults have not received the most recent monovalent vaccine nor the bivalent vaccine that preceded it. 

 

Most folks seem to be rejecting "the science".  By almost a 3:1 margin.  Dang conspiracy theorists...

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html#When_Are_You_Up_to_Date?

 

Restored faith in human intelligence ... fool me once

... fool me twice  

[Red Phoenix]

14 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Predictably, you've posted long out-of-date info for the U.S. from a more than two  month old article.

 

The most recent current info for the 2023-2024 monovalent vaccine in the U.S. is:

 

22.5% (22.1-22.8) for adults 18+

40.8% (39.7-41.8) among adults age 65+

 

https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/data-research/dashboard/vaccination-trends-children.html

 

Or in the U.K., where the newest vaccines are recommended for the elderly and other higher-risk populations:

 

 

https://ukhsa-dashboard.data.gov.uk/

 

The bottom line is: COVID vaccines worked. Tens of millions of lives were saved from COVID. And the protections from the vaccines along with immunity from prior infections have dramatically reduced the numbers of COVID deaths and hospitalizations, as the virus also has mutated over time to in general become less severe.

 

Meaning people today in 2024, right now, don't feel the same sense of urgent health risk that they did in 2021 and 2022, early in the vaccine rollout and with the more deadly COVID variants circulating in those times, when COVID death and hospitalization numbers were skyrocketing.

 

The AUTUMN booster uptake for people +65 years of age in UK was 69,3% according to the UKHSA-dashboard you posted. But the report date for that figure is 15 Feb 2024, three months ago.

The peak period during which those boosters where administered was mid Sept 2023 to early Nov 2023. And by mid December no more of such boosters were administered. 

We are now 5 months further, and In people aged 65 or over, the vaccine was 50% effective at preventing serious illness, for up to six months after a third dose.

Make your own conclusions...

 

 

 

Source: https://ukhsa-dashboard.data.gov.uk/topics/covid-19#vaccinations

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

Wall Street journal just did a piece on the flood of fake scientific articles. I think that’s the “science” people are saying they believe in. 

 

Yes they did, and guess what,  the terms  "COVID" or "vaccines" don't appear anywhere in the article, not even once...even though they should! (as detailed below)

 

In fact, the article talks about "paper mill" operations faking papers and selling authorship rights generally in low-quality or "pay for play" journals where a payment gets one published.

 

Exactly the kind of journal articles with fake science that a lot of anti-vaxers and COVID deniers have exploited during the pandemic.

 

From the WSJ report:

 

"The mill then submits the work, generally avoiding the most prestigious journals [emphasis added] in favor of publications such as one-off special editions that might not undergo as thorough a review and where they have a better chance of getting bogus work published. 

...

Researchers say they have found them in multiple countries including Russia, Iran, Latvia, China and India. The mills solicit clients on social channels such as Telegram or Facebook, where they advertise the titles of studies they intend to submit, their fee and sometimes the journal they aim to infiltrate. "

 

https://archive.ph/5k8nI#selection-2579.0-2579.201

 

 

That is NOT the kind of credible, often peer-reviewed COVID and COVID vaccine research that generally is cited here, typically from credible journals and done by veteran researchers from major universities.

 

Rather, it's more often anti-vaxer and COVID denier junk like this:

 

Column: Why anti-vaxxers are pretending a flawed study on vaccine deaths has been vindicated

 

"my email inbox started filling up with the curious news that a long-discredited and retracted paper claiming that the COVID vaccines had killed nearly 300,000 Americans had been “reinstated.”

 

It did not take long to determine that the truth was, no, not really. But the sudden appearance of this claim and its rapid spread across the anti-vaccine ecosystem speak volumes about how “bad papers written by antivax ideologues designed to promote a narrative that vaccines are dangerous and/or ineffective ... never die,” to quote the veteran pseudoscience debunker David Gorski."

 

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-10-24/no-anti-vaxxers-this-flawed-and-retracted-study-of-vaccine-deaths-hasnt-been-reinstated

 

AND

 

Retraction: Walach et al. The Safety of COVID-19 Vaccinations—We Should Rethink the Policy. Vaccines 2021, 9, 693

 

The journal retracts the article, The Safety of COVID-19 Vaccinations—We Should Rethink the Policy [1], cited above.

 

Serious concerns were brought to the attention of the publisher regarding misinterpretation of data, leading to incorrect and distorted conclusions.

 

The article was evaluated by the Editor-in-Chief with the support of several Editorial Board Members. They found that the article contained several errors that fundamentally affect the interpretation of the findings.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8262594/

 

AND

 

 

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6.pdf

 

And on and on and on....

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

12 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

The AUTUMN booster uptake for people +65 years of age in UK was 69,3% according to the UKHSA-dashboard you posted. But the report date for that figure is 15 Feb 2024, three months ago.

The peak period during which those boosters where administered was mid Sept 2023 to early Nov 2023. And by mid December no more of such boosters were administered. 

We are now 5 months further, and In people aged 65 or over, the vaccine was 50% effective at preventing serious illness, for up to six months after a third dose.

Make your own conclusions...

 

 

 

Source: https://ukhsa-dashboard.data.gov.uk/topics/covid-19#vaccinations

 

That was UK's autumn 2023 vaccination campaign, which peaked toward the end of last year as planned. They had a pause, and now just recently have begun their spring 2024 COVID vaccines campaign, as planned. It's the normal cycle in the UK.

 

Timing of the spring booster

You should be offered an appointment between April and June, with those at highest risk being called in first.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-spring-booster-resources/a-guide-to-the-covid-19-spring-booster-2023

 

Covid booster jab to be offered this spring

7 March 2023

 

A spring booster vaccine against Covid-19 is to be offered to people at most risk of serious illness from the disease to protect them this summer.

 

UK vaccine experts say it should be available to everyone over 75, care-home residents and anyone extremely vulnerable aged five and over.

...

Prof Wei Shen Lim, JCVI chairman, said: "Vaccination remains the best way to protect yourself against Covid-19, and the spring booster programme provides an opportunity for those who are at highest risk of severe illness to keep their immunity topped up.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-64876657

 

Edited May 16 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Red Phoenix]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

That was UK's autumn 2023 vaccination campaign, which peaked toward the end of last year as planned. They had a pause, and now just recently have begun their spring 2024 COVID vaccines campaign, as planned. It's the normal cycle in the UK.

 

Timing of the spring booster

You should be offered an appointment between April and June, with those at highest risk being called in first.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-spring-booster-resources/a-guide-to-the-covid-19-spring-booster-2023

 

 

We are mid-away during that April-June appointment period for that Spring booster, dying (sic) to know how successful that Spring booster campaign will turn out...

[Robert Paulson]

Imo what people dont take into account is we have the booster uptake numbers, which seem very low to me, but aren’t they artificially high? Would t they have to be? I saw many reports of kids not being allowed into college etc if not fully up to date. 

Edited May 16 by Robert Paulson

[BigBruv]

4 hours ago, rumak said:

 

can i change that to "most SMART and critical thinking people who do not have complete acceptance of what the establishment tries to force people to believe".... have worked it out by now .

 

Unfortunately.... the masses still outnumber the critical thinkers .   Though no chance of changing the few unchangeable "minds"  on this forum ,  it does seem a number of members certainly are waking up ... as more REAL facts are getting through the cracks of the establishment wall.

 

 

Doubt they're waking up tbh - more just noticing their bills are going up and maybe health issues (e.g. blood clots) that are

difficult to blame on a coronavirus (another word for a cold).

 

TBF boomers have been well trained to only believe things once they have seen them in the movies or on a TV screen.

Whole policy of establishment / 'reputable sources' (lol) on here 'works' that same way (it's a site by & for boomers after all).

 

Younger generations (esp. zoomers) have a better understanding of corporate motives (profit), celebrity endorsements,

advertorials, who funds the CDC & medical journals el al so will be harder to fool them.

 

 

 

[BigBruv]

1 hour ago, Robert Paulson said:

Imo what people dont take into account is we have the booster uptake numbers, which seem very low to me, but aren’t they artificially high? Would t they have to be? I saw many reports of kids not being allowed into college etc if not fully up to date. 

 

Covid &/or Boosters became a boomer only phenomenon since 2023 (at the latest).

Special treatment (in the UK at least) for the inconvenient generation who are asset rich and claim govt benefits.

 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/covid-19/covid-19-vaccination/getting-a-covid-19-vaccine/

Who is eligible for a spring COVID-19 vaccine

You or your child may be offered a spring COVID-19 vaccine if you:

• are 75 years or over (you need to be 75 years old by 30 June 2024)
• are 6 months to 74 years old and have a weakened immune system
• live in a care home for older adults

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

It might well have something to do with the fact that, as many posters here often proclaim, that the majority (but not all) of current COVID deaths and hospitalizations tend to occur among the elderly.

Risks continue to be higher for older adults, infants, and people with pre-existing medical conditions

"While COVID-19 hospitalization rates have declined across all age groups, certain groups continue to be hospitalized at higher rates, including older adults, infants, and people with underlying medical conditions or certain disabilities. During the first seven months of 2023, adults 65 years and older accounted for 63% of hospitalizations and 88% of in-hospital deaths from COVID-19."

 

Meaning that 37% of US COVID hospitalizations during the cited period involved people under 65 years of age.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/ncird/whats-new/changing-threat-covid-19.html

 

 

Edited May 16 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

More "quality" research (Feb. 2024) from the COVID anti-vaxer world -- RETRACTED!:

Paper claiming ‘extensive’ harms of COVID-19 vaccines to be retracted

"A journal is retracting a paper on the purported harms of vaccines against COVID-19 written in part by authors who have had similar work retracted before.

 

The article, “COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines: Lessons Learned from the Registrational Trials and Global Vaccination Campaign,” appeared late last month in Cureus, which used to be a stand-alone journal but is now owned by Springer Nature. (It has appeared frequently in these pages.)

...

The senior author on the work was Peter McCullough, a cardiologist at the Institute of Pure and Applied Knowledge who lost his board certification after the American Board of Internal Medicine found he had “provided false or inaccurate medical information to the public.”

 

https://retractionwatch.com/2024/02/19/paper-claiming-extensive-harms-of-covid-19-vaccines-to-be-retracted/

 

 

Retraction

 

The Editors-in-Chief have retracted this article. Following publication, concerns were raised regarding a number of claims made in this article. Upon further review, the Editors-in-Chief found that the conclusions of this narrative review are considered to be unreliable due to the concerns with the validity of some of the cited references that support the conclusions and a misrepresentation of the cited references and available data.

 

https://www.cureus.com/articles/203052-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-lessons-learned-from-the-registrational-trials-and-global-vaccination-campaign/retraction#!/

 

[Red Phoenix]

5 minutes ago, dhupverg said:

"Overall, these findings, while evidencing a small benefit in symptom duration, do not support the use of ivermectin as treatment for COVID-19 in the community among a largely vaccinated population at the dose and duration we used," the authors wrote.

@TallGuyJohninBKK > Carefully read that conclusion again of the study you posted...

Edited May 17 by Red Phoenix

[Amethyst]

Posts with unsourced and unsubstantiated claims have been removed.

 

[Robert Paulson]

What do companies do?

 

They create products we don’t need and either force or manipulate their use. It’s the same model over and over. Whether it be insurance or credit cards or food… that’s what they do.

[Red Phoenix]

42 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said:

What do companies do?

 

They create products we don’t need and either force or manipulate their use. It’s the same model over and over. Whether it be insurance or credit cards or food… that’s what they do.

Or rather companies try to create a need that their product or service will fill.  As long as the public need is genuine, and there is no manipulation or deceit, that's fine.  But when their solution is mandated, it becomes a whole different story.

[brianthainess]

On 5/9/2024 at 10:08 AM, johng said:

 

They shut the beaches and arrested people here in Thailand too.

Not on Koh Chang they stayed open, as did one of the shops selling inflatable beach toys. 

[brianthainess]

The daftest rule IMO was both having to wear a mask in a car, when with your wife, whom you slept and lived with. Mucking Fental. 

[Red Phoenix]

4 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

The daftest rule IMO was both having to wear a mask in a car, when with your wife, whom you slept and lived with. Mucking Fental. 

In the same category as being stopped by police when on a motorcycle wearing an integral helmet, and them fining you when you were not wearing a mask under that helmet...

[johng]

6 hours ago, brianthainess said:

as did one of the shops selling inflatable beach toys.

A lot of shops selling inflatable toys where also open  on Pattaya and Jomtien beach roads even when the beaches where "closed"

[johng]

On 5/16/2024 at 10:58 AM, transam said:

Perhaps you don't realise, I don't take much notice of your posts.....

Or me of yours   yee haa   🤠

[BigBruv]

Western ground zero for covid tyranny (Australia (also see Canada)) gradually climbing down from the covid nonsense.

 

Never forget these <deleted>.

 

Major win for Aussie workers who refuse to get the Covid vaccine as 'unreasonable' mandate is scrapped

Mandates requiring health workers in NSW to receive two doses of a Covid vaccine in order to work will be scrapped this week. 

 

In March, NSW Health said it was reviewing the rule and it has now been revealed that it will be removed for existing personnel and for new recruits from Thursday. 

 

The rule was put in place in August 2021 and about six months later NSW Health said that 995 staff members had either resigned or been sacked for not following the policy. 

 

Former paramedic and campaigner against the mandate John Larter received a letter from lawyers for NSW Health informing him of the change.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13419117/Covid-mandate-NSW-health-scrapped.html

 

 

Edited May 17 by stats
trolling comment removed

[johng]

24 minutes ago, BigBruv said:

Never forget these <deleted>.

 

Yes the last few year have really opened my eyes as to how many there are and how easy it is for them to "just follow the orders"

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, BigBruv said:

Major win for Aussie workers who refuse to get the Covid vaccine as 'unreasonable' mandate is scrapped

 

Looks like the NSW government vaccination policy did a good job in helping protect both HCWs and their patients during the worst times of the pandemic.

 

Because:

 

"NSW Health staff have a vaccination rate of 98 per cent and the requirement has been in place since 2021."

 

"Under the current [now rescinded] work health and safety framework, all NSW Health staff must have had at least two doses of a COVID vaccine unless they have a medical contraindication."

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-26/nsw-health-covid-vaccine-requirements-healthcare-worker/103629276

 

And for those who didn't like it, at least they're likely mostly still around to be able to complain about it and see the latest change, unlike many other HCWs:

 

"WHO estimates that between 80 000 and 180 000 health and care workers could have died from COVID-19 in the period between January 2020 to May 2021, converging to a medium scenario of 115 500 deaths¹."

 

Most of the above period of time being before COVID vaccines became widely available in the world starting in early 2021.

 

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-10-2021-health-and-care-worker-deaths-during-covid-19

 

 

 

 

[Mark Nothing]

I wholesale reject the entirety of the virology theories force fed to us.  Too many anomolies to be valid. So what causes a cold and how do you avoid it?

 

Nikola Tesla had an interesting concept explaining that everything in the universe is frequency, vibration and energy. And that all disease is spiritual in nature and likewise the cure is too. So good health is one vibrating frequency and a cold is another.  Change your frequency vibration and the resulting energy you desire occurs by default.

 

Your emotions are energy in motion.  Each vibrating at different frequencies.  Dogs can pick these up easily. A prayer is a simple, easy way to change your frequency vibrations and vibrate at a healthy level empowering your immune system.  Request good health and it happens by default. 

 

[owl sees all]

12 hours ago, Mark Nothing said:

I wholesale reject the entirety of the virology theories force fed to us.  Too many anomolies to be valid. So what causes a cold and how do you avoid it?

 

Nikola Tesla had an interesting concept explaining that everything in the universe is frequency, vibration and energy. And that all disease is spiritual in nature and likewise the cure is too. So good health is one vibrating frequency and a cold is another.  Change your frequency vibration and the resulting energy you desire occurs by default.

 

Your emotions are energy in motion.  Each vibrating at different frequencies.  Dogs can pick these up easily. A prayer is a simple, easy way to change your frequency vibrations and vibrate at a healthy level empowering your immune system.  Request good health and it happens by default. 

 

Can't agree with this in its entirety. But much of it I concur with.

 

Everything living has an energy. IMO, one of the major causes of sickness in an imbalance of body energy fields

 

However, I do not underestimate the electrical aspects within. Having trained as a physiologist I somewhat understand the pathways of energy within the body, and how that energy is directed to the parts when it is needed. What makes a muscle move? Whether is it picking up a feather or lifting a bag of cement. Firstly the brain is in sinc with the task in hand. Then provided the nutrients are available for the chemical reactions to take place, the electrical system will then activate the required 'actin' and 'myosin' to do the task.

 

And I also reject the virology theories. There is so much to learn about our bodies. To fully understand what it is all about we should turn to nature. It has all the answers we seek

 

 

Edited May 18 by stats
unsourced and unsubstantiated claim removed

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

COVID-19 Misinformation Persists, 4 Years After Shelter-in-Place

While people’s lives are largely free of the extreme public health measures that restricted them early in the pandemic, misinformation about vaccines and conspiracy theories are still around.

...

Even before the first case of COVID-19 was detected in the U.S., fears and uncertainties helped spur misinformation’s rapid spread. In March 2020, schools closed, employers sent staff to work from home and grocery stores called for physical distancing to keep people safe. But little halted the flow of misleading claims that sent fact-checkers and public health officials into overdrive.

 

Some people falsely asserted COVID’s symptoms were associated with 5G wireless technology. Faux cures and untested treatments populated social media and political discourse. Amid uncertainty about the virus’ origins, some people proclaimed COVID didn’t exist at all. PolitiFact named “downplay and denial” about the virus its 2020 “Lie of the Year.” 

 

Four years later, people’s lives are largely free of the extreme public health measures that restricted them early in the pandemic. But COVID misinformation persists, although it’s now centered mostly on vaccines and vaccine-related conspiracy theories.

 

(more)

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2024-04-01/four-years-after-shelter-in-place-covid-19-misinformation-persists

 

[howlee101]

On 5/16/2024 at 12:49 AM, impulse said:

Kinda agrees with the part of my post that you clipped out:

Like most of MSM, only tell the parts of a quote/story that fits their narrative....hmmmmm

[johng]

Remember the calls to wish death upon "antivaxers"

 

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, johng said:

Remember the calls to wish death upon "antivaxers"

 

 

Reads like a good post from Ex-K, but you are twisting stuff, but not surprised............