Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[tgw]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Russia is threatening the west with it's war in Ukraine? I must have blinked and missed that.

 

Read up on what Ruzzia's #2 after Putler, Dimitri Medvedev, has been saying.

[Bkk Brian]

Apparently this is not as serious as it may seem according to this.

 

This fire is not near the reactors and is not a threat to them. 

The fire is at the base of one of the natural draft cooling towers circled in red.

The nuclear reactors (green) are offline. Cooling towers are not in use.

The public is not in danger from it

 

 

Russia sets fire to Ukrainian nuclear plant to ‘blackmail’ Kyiv
Russian forces have reportedly started a fire on a nuclear power station in southern Ukraine to “blackmail” Kyiv as it pushes into Russian territory.
A Ukrainian official said there was “unofficial” information that Russia had set fire to a large number of car tyres on the cooling towers of the facility in Zaporizhzhia, which it occupied shortly after launching an invasion in February 2022.
Footage circulated on social media shows plumes of black smoke pouring off one of the towers.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/08/11/russia-sets-fire-to-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant/

https://archive.ph/QA851

 

 

Enerhodar. We have recorded from Nikopol that the Russian occupiers have started a fire on the territory of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant.

Currently, radiation levels are within norm. However, as long as the Russian terrorists maintain control over the nuclear plant, the situation is not and cannot be normal.

Since the first day of its seizure, Russia has been using the Zaporizhzhia NPP only to blackmail Ukraine, all of Europe, and the world.

We are waiting for the world to react, waiting for the IAEA to react. Russia must be held accountable for this. Only Ukrainian control over the Zaporizhzhia NPP can guarantee a return to normalcy and complete safety.

 

[jas007]

Putin is scheduled to address Russia and the world.  That should be interesting.  Maybe he can put an end to this nonsense.  The West surely hasn’t steered interested.

[Seppius]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

Putin is scheduled to address Russia and the world.  That should be interesting.  Maybe he can put an end to this nonsense.  The West surely hasn’t steered interested.

Maybe he is about to declare war on the West? Certainly hope its not

[transam]

51 minutes ago, Seppius said:

Maybe he is about to declare war on the West? Certainly hope its not

With what, support from N.Korea.....🤭

 

I read Sweden has sent huge amount of military stuff to Ukraine.

 

Thank you, Sweden....

[Seppius]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

With what, support from N.Korea.....🤭

 

I read Sweden has sent huge amount of military stuff to Ukraine.

 

Thank you, Sweden....

That's right, Sweden with 200 years of neutrality, though two huge wars, have had enough of Putin.

 

Great stuff from Sweden

[Bkk Brian]

6 hours ago, jas007 said:

Putin is scheduled to address Russia and the world.  That should be interesting.  Maybe he can put an end to this nonsense.  The West surely hasn’t steered interested.

Will he skip over his 3 day victory?

 

Today marks 900 days since Russia illegally launched their unprovoked full-scale invasion into Ukraine, on 24 February 2022.

Putin said it would take three days, and that Ukraine would welcome Russian occupation. 

He was wrong. 

https://x.com/DefenceHQ/status/1822936123120693346

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Russia is threatening the west with it's war in Ukraine? I must have blinked and missed that.

The post didn't say Russia was, "threatening the west with it's war in Ukraine," it just said they were making threats [to the west].

 

And if you've blinked and missed those threats, you must have been blinking an awful lot.

 

Here's just a smattering of them (and there's plenty more where these came from).

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/06/russia-to-hold-battlefield-nuclear-drills-after-macron-and-cameron-comments

 

Russia threatens UK military

 

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/russian-embassy-in-stockholm-threatens-sweden-finland-over-nato-accession/

 

Russian Embassy in Stockholm threatens Sweden, Finland

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/29/russia-condemns-nato-invitation-finland-sweden

 

Putin issues fresh warning to Finland and Sweden

 

https://news.err.ee/1609332807/russia-blames-and-threatens-baltics

 

Russia blames and threatens Baltics

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn44r9zjnpjo

 

Putin warns Russia could provide weapons to strike West

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

Why do people seem to think Putin would never use nuclear weapons? Why would he not, if he thought he had the right reason? 

[jas007]

30 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why do people seem to think Putin would never use nuclear weapons? Why would he not, if he thought he had the right reason? 

Many people seem to be brainwashed.  Also, many people seem to think all of the actors orchestrating this mess will always act in a rational manner.  And yet the brainwashed people don’t realize they’re brainwashed, and, if history is any guide, rationality is not always present.  It’s all a recipe for disaster.  Of course Russia will act in self defense.  They haven’t made that a big secret, and they have the capacity to do so. And yet the brainwashed idiots in the West are proceeding as if they believe their own propaganda.  Russia is evil!  Putin is a madman who wants to reassemble the old Soviet Union! I could go on. 
 

Perhaps the USA should rethink its foreign policy.  It’s no longer 1960 and Khrushchev didn’t just bang his shoe on the table at the UN. The world has changed.  America and the influence of the West has faded.  American exceptionalism? Just a slogan. We now live in a multi polar world.  Pretending otherwise isn’t so smart.  What has been accomplished lately?  Decades of Neocon wars with nothing to show for them.  Trillions wasted. And much of the world is now aligning against the West and its banking system.  Militarily, they are forming alliances. How is any of that a positive development?  Imagine the situation as it stands. China could invade Taiwan at any moment. The Middle East is about to ignite. And the situation in Ukraine continues to deteriorate.  The West can’t fix any of these problems, and yet they’re proceeding as if they can simultaneously win a war with China, defend Israel, and defeat Russia, all with a small military. And where is the President of the United States?  Lying on a beach somewhere. Who is calling the shots? 

[transam]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

Many people seem to be brainwashed.  Also, many people seem to think all of the actors orchestrating this mess will always act in a rational manner.  And yet the brainwashed people don’t realize they’re brainwashed, and, if history is any guide, rationality is not always present.  It’s all a recipe for disaster.  Of course Russia will act in self defense.  They haven’t made that a big secret, and they have the capacity to do so. And yet the brainwashed idiots in the West are proceeding as if they believe their own propaganda.  Russia is evil!  Putin is a madman who wants to reassemble the old Soviet Union! I could go on. 
 

Perhaps the USA should rethink its foreign policy.  It’s no longer 1960 and Khrushchev didn’t just bang his shoe on the table at the UN. The world has changed.  America and the influence of the West has faded.  American exceptionalism? Just a slogan. We now live in a multi polar world.  Pretending otherwise isn’t so smart.  What has been accomplished lately?  Decades of Neocon wars with nothing to show for them.  Trillions wasted. And much of the world is now aligning against the West and its banking system.  Militarily, they are forming alliances. How is any of that a positive development?  Imagine the situation as it stands. China could invade Taiwan at any moment. The Middle East is about to ignite. And the situation in Ukraine continues to deteriorate.  The West can’t fix any of these problems, and yet they’re proceeding as if they can simultaneously win a war with China, defend Israel, and defeat Russia, all with a small military. And where is the President of the United States?  Lying on a beach somewhere. Who is calling the shots? 

Well, I did think you were brainwashed.....🤔

 

Didn't you ever think that one man is causing this problem,

Ex Commie KGB Putin.

 

No, I didn't think so...

[Enoon]

56 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why do people seem to think Putin would never use nuclear weapons? Why would he not, if he thought he had the right reason? 

 

In the context of this conflict they are unlikely to be used against targets in Ukraine, but more likely against Ukrainian forces in Russia.

 

One of the reasons for the Ukrainian offensive is to demonstrate that his nuclear threats are a bluff.

 

 

[Cameroni]

I am not thrilled to see Ukrainian military terrorising a peaceful population. Civilians are cilivians, even if they are Russian civilians and 1000 or so troops rampaging through civilian settlements is not cause for celebration really.

 

A bit sad that Ukraine does not attack military targets instead of terrorising civilians. I understand they are desperate and have very limited means, but any right thinking person has to condemn military terror imposed on civilians.

[jas007]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Well, I did think you were brainwashed.....🤔

 

Didn't you ever think that one man is causing this problem,

Ex Commie KGB Putin.

 

No, I didn't think so...

You’re brainwashed.  It’s not your fault.  The propaganda machine works 24/7 and it’s very effective. And so many people automatically assume the West can’t possibly be at fault and automatically assume Putin is the culprit.  

[transam]

2 minutes ago, jas007 said:

You’re brainwashed.  It’s not your fault.  The propaganda machine works 24/7 and it’s very effective. And so many people automatically assume the West can’t possibly be at fault and automatically assume Putin is the culprit.  

Riiiiiiiiight, then why did Sweden & Finland recently join NATO......?  🤔

[jas007]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Riiiiiiiiight, then why did Sweden & Finland recently join NATO......?  🤔

Their leaders are also brainwashed.  It’s a problem that’s apparently contagious.  Have you seen what’s happening in Europe lately?  Millions of migrants, wreaking havoc. Another symptom of the disease. I wonder when they’ll wake up? Those of us in Thailand are lucky this place is still safe.  When I get back to Pattaya, it’ll be time for my 90 day report.  Maybe they should try enforcing immigration laws elsewhere in the world. It seems to work.

[Yellowtail]

33 minutes ago, transam said:

Well, I did think you were brainwashed.....🤔

 

Didn't you ever think that one man is causing this problem,

Ex Commie KGB Putin.

 

No, I didn't think so...

Who is causing the problem makes little difference outside the school yard. Resolving the problem should be the concern. 

 

I do not know anyone that does not blame Putin for the invasion. 

[Yellowtail]

32 minutes ago, Enoon said:

 

In the context of this conflict they are unlikely to be used against targets in Ukraine, but more likely against Ukrainian forces in Russia.

 

One of the reasons for the Ukrainian offensive is to demonstrate that his nuclear threats are a bluff.

 

 

This is like betting into a full house with two pair thinking your opponent will fold. 

[kwonitoy]

Hit them in the pocketbook

[kwonitoy]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

I am not thrilled to see Ukrainian military terrorising a peaceful population. Civilians are cilivians, even if they are Russian civilians and 1000 or so troops rampaging through civilian settlements is not cause for celebration really.

 

A bit sad that Ukraine does not attack military targets instead of terrorising civilians. I understand they are desperate and have very limited means, but any right thinking person has to condemn military terror imposed on civilians.

 

Do you really believe the stupidity you post?

Russia has been indiscriminately bombing Ukraine for 900 days, rockets into markets, hospitals, apartment buildings, you know where civilians live.

But should they actually fight back, oh my the hand wringing about the poor russian civlians.

 

See above post for legitimate targeting

 

 

Edited August 12 by kwonitoy

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, kwonitoy said:

 

Do you really believe the stupidity you post?

Russia has been indiscriminately bombing Ukraine for 900 days, rockets into markets, hospitals, apartment buildings, you know where civilians live.

But should they actually fight back, oh my the hand wringing about the poor russian civlians.

 

See above post for legitimate targeting

 

 

 

The greatest stupidity would be to excuse one side from killing civilians, as you seem to do.

 

These Ukrainian military are rampaging through obviously peaceful civilian settlements. 

 

Neither Russia nor Ukraine should be excused when they target civilians. 

 

Either it is bad in both cases, or all is allowed.

[zmisha]

Аre Z-opinions welcomed here? Or they will be considered trolling?

Edited August 12 by zmisha

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

The greatest stupidity would be to excuse one side from killing civilians, as you seem to do.

 

These Ukrainian military are rampaging through obviously peaceful civilian settlements. 

 

Neither Russia nor Ukraine should be excused when they target civilians. 

 

Either it is bad in both cases, or all is allowed.

So far, according to Russian sources the Ukrainians have taken 28 Russian settlements and a total of 12 civilians have been killed. Even if Russian sources are not overstating the casualties (which one would imagine they have every motive to do) that's less than one person killed for every two settlements taken. While every civilian casualty is one too many, that hardly sounds like "rampaging" to me.

 

Putin told Ukraine controls 28 Russian settlements

Edited August 12 by GroveHillWanderer

[Cameroni]

27 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

So far, according to Russian sources the Ukrainians have taken 28 Russian settlements and a total of 12 civilians have been killed. Even if Russian sources are not overstating the casualties (which one would imagine they have every motive to do) that's less than one person killed for every two settlements taken. While every civilian casualty is one too many, that hardly sounds like "rampaging" to me.

 

Putin told Ukraine controls 28 Russian settlements

 

12 dead civilians sounds like a rampage to me. I am surprised it is that many actually, you would have thought Ukraine would have been extra careful for there to be no dead civilians so they can claim a real propaganda victory. But 12 dead civilians really is murder and terrorising of innocent civilians. How many have been made homeless?

 

For those who would say "Russia did far worse", some Russian soldiers may have, but what did these families do? Nothing.

 

 

[tgw]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

12 dead civilians sounds like a rampage to me. I am surprised it is that many actually, you would have thought Ukraine would have been extra careful for there to be no dead civilians so they can claim a real propaganda victory. But 12 dead civilians really is murder and terrorising of innocent civilians. How many have been made homeless?

 

For those who would say "Russia did far worse", some Russian soldiers may have, but what did these families do? Nothing.

 

no no ... there is only one side TARGETING civilians, and it's your darlings the Ruzzians.

 

indeed, your buddies the war criminals did far worse, but that isn't the point. the point is that your idols are targeting civilians, which amounts to mass murder and make it a war crime.

 

I don't believe you are stupid, so that makes you an enemy agent and a criminal under section 14 of Thailand's Computer Crime Act, deliberately posting lies and disinformation.

Edited August 12 by tgw

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

12 dead civilians sounds like a rampage to me. I am surprised it is that many actually, you would have thought Ukraine would have been extra careful for there to be no dead civilians so they can claim a real propaganda victory. But 12 dead civilians really is murder and terrorising of innocent civilians. How many have been made homeless?

 

For those who would say "Russia did far worse", some Russian soldiers may have, but what did these families do? Nothing.

 

 

Some Russians may have.

You really think people are stupid, huh?

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, zmisha said:

Аre Z-opinions welcomed here? Or they will be considered trolling?

Z "opinions" are propaganda.

[Cameroni]

13 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

no no ... there is only one side TARGETING civilians, and it's your darlings the Ruzzians.

 

I don't believe you are stupid, so that makes you an enemy agent and a criminal, deliberately posting lies and disinformation.

 

The Ukrainian troops rampaging through civilian settelement in Russia have killed 12 civilians and wounded 121 civilians, including 10 children.

 

"Twelve civilians have died and 121 have been injured, including 10 children," governor Alexei Smirnov said in an online meeting with President Vladimir Putin and other governors.

.

https://www.barrons.com/news/russia-says-12-civilians-killed-121-injured-in-ukraine-incursion-65c26694

 

We can all see who is posting the lies and "disinformation", tgw. Only you! The Ukrainian troops are killing civilians, including injuring children.

Edited August 12 by Cameroni

[Jingthing]

20 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Russia is threatening the west with it's war in Ukraine? I must have blinked and missed that.

So what else is new?

[tgw]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

The Ukrainian troops rampaging through civilian settelement in Russia have killed 12 civilians and wounded 121 civilians, including 10 children.

 

"Twelve civilians have died and 121 have been injured, including 10 children," governor Alexei Smirnov said in an online meeting with President Vladimir Putin and other governors.

.

https://www.barrons.com/news/russia-says-12-civilians-killed-121-injured-in-ukraine-incursion-65c26694

 

We can all see who is posting the lies and "disinformation", tgw. Only you! The Ukrainian troops are killing civilians, including injuring children.

 

repeating enemy propaganda is criminal.