1 minute ago, newbee2022 said:

And I guess there are many members here who will downplay the danger of infection.....

unless they get sick.🙏

I just got over it. It was pretty bad. I’d put it just a smidge under we should not stop the world for it, however 

Surprisingly what is not in the news is excess deaths, you can see the graphs here.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?time=2023-03-05..latest&country=~THA

 

You can change the period using the buttons underneath

You can change the country with the box top right.

 

Something is killing more people than should be expected, is it Covid or something else?

Singapore is worse.

This is what should be in the news and investigated.

7 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

And I guess there are many members here who will downplay the danger of infection.....

unless they get sick.🙏

 

Funny you should mention that...

 

 

29 minutes ago, madmitch said:

But is there any hysteria in any of those countries? It hardly gets a mention in the UK and certailnly doesn't make mainstream news. 

 

 

Basically, Thailand operates in the narrow little bubble of it's own language and culture. And superstition.

 

Some "prominent" guy in a white coat and backed by some important-sounding acronym can say anything he wants, and it will go unchallenged here.

 

3 minutes ago, Mises said:

Something is killing more people than should be expected, is it Covid or something else?

 

Much discussion of the reasons for this in the news over time. For example:

 

Over 330,000 excess deaths in Great Britain linked to austerity, finds study

Research comes as government signals fresh round of public spending cuts

 

"More than 330,000 excess deaths in Great Britain in recent years can be attributed to spending cuts to public services and benefits introduced by a UK government pursuing austerity policies, according to an academic study."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/over-330000-excess-deaths-in-great-britain-linked-to-austerity-finds-study

 

What can explain the excess mortality in the U.S. and Europe in 2022?

"With the threat of the disease appearing to diminish, COVID-19 stopped hitting the headlines and most countries lifted their restrictions on daily life. But this gradual return to normalcy belies the fact that excess mortality has continued to persist in many countries well into 2022. This observation has surprised many commentators and journalists.

...

But we do know that there were certain notable events in 2022 that could explain, at least in part, the persistent excess mortality. This Insight article aims to discuss these events and how they could have increased the mortality rate in the second half of 2022.

Contents of this article

• The summer of 2022 showed a noticeable excess mortality, but this was lower than in 2020 and 2021
• COVID-19, heat waves, healthcare backlogs: several potential contributors to excess mortality
• COVID-19 vaccines aren’t responsible for the excess mortality of 2022

https://healthfeedback.org/what-can-explain-the-excess-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-europe-in-2022/

 

 

32 minutes ago, madmitch said:

It hardly gets a mention in the UK and certailnly doesn't make mainstream news. 

 

 

Guess that depends on how much you follow the news, and what sources you follow. UK still running almost 100 COVID deaths per week:

 

Surge in Covid cases prompt fears of a mini-wave

Proportion of people testing positive for the virus has jumped from 4.6 per cent to 7.1 per cent in the space of a week

May 2, 2024

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/surge-covid-cases-prompt-fears-mini-wave-3037684?ITO=newsnow

 

NHS in England facing ‘storm of pressure’ as flu and Covid cases surge

Average of 3,631 patients in hospital with Covid during Christmas week, data shows, a rise of 57% in a month

 

Dec. 2023

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/dec/29/nhs-england-storm-of-pressure-flu-covid-cases-surge

 

 

UKHSA current info:

 

 

https://ukhsa-dashboard.data.gov.uk/

 

 

53 minutes ago, madmitch said:

Yes, people still get covid but for most people it's slightly worse than a typical cold but nowhere near as bad as flu.

 

 

Think again... the issue already has been addressed earlier in this thread:

Study: COVID Still Deadlier Than the Flu -- But the Gap Is Narrowing

"...5.7% of patients with COVID-19 died within 30 days of admission versus 4.24% of patients with influenza, reported Ziyad Al-Aly, MD, of the VA St. Louis Health Care System, and colleagues.

 

"After adjusting for variables, the risk of death in people hospitalized for COVID-19 was 35% higher (adjusted HR 1.35, 95% CI 1.10-1.66), the authors detailed in a research letter in JAMA.

...

"...there were nearly twice as many hospitalizations for COVID-19 compared with the flu for the 2023-2024, according to CDC surveillance data."

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1327600-study-covid-still-deadlier-than-the-flu-but-the-gap-is-narrowing/

 

A post with an unsourced and unsubstantiated claim has been removed.

 

Per the forum's rules:

 

"In factual areas such as news forums and current affairs topics member content that is claimed or portrayed as a fact should be supported by a link to a relevant reputable source."

 

 

Fear mongering and conspiracy done to death, not for me thanks.

 

Oh,  go on then.

 

I find it strange that selective historic topics cannot be accessed anymore - from source.

 

Flip flop back pedaling ?

 

It's a shame all the uneducated / unsourced opinions and advice from those times can't be untaken.

 

I'll leave you all to it.

1 hour ago, Robert Tyrrell said:

Hello,

 

What I dont understand is its difficult to find a vaccine booster !! ??? In Nakhon Ratchisma Regoin , Why ? Anyone have info to a location in this Province ? 🙂

 

You might try asking your regional MoPH office there...  or calling the MoPH COVID hotline at 1422... Last time I checked with them a month ago, the MoPH folks in BKK didn't know of any specific availability outside of BKK.... 

 

But, private hospitals now DO have the ability to obtain the new COVID vaccines and provide them for a fee -- if they want to... Even if the Thai government isn't doing so. Bumrungrad and Praram 9 hospitals are doing so in BKK.

 

 

There's an article on BP worth a read before pressing any panic buttons. This is the basic message. More contagious (typical of Omicron), still mild symptoms (typical of Omicron) and the at risk group are still the at risk group (typical of Omicron). In parentheses is my addition.

2 hours ago, RandolphGB said:

 

They walk among us! Have you stepped outside in the last four years? Have you wore your mask the whole time? 

 

Yes many, and yes.... Most public health agencies -- including the Thai MoPH -- still recommend mask wearing and social distancing as effective measures to reduce the risk of catching COVID.

 

"For safety sake, he suggested the wearing of face masks in crowded places, on public transport and in hospitals and nursing homes for the elderly. Washing hands often is also recommended, as are rapid antigen tests if flu-like symptoms develop, he added."

 

 

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

There's an article on BP worth a read before pressing any panic buttons. This is the basic message. More contagious (typical of Omicron), still mild symptoms (typical of Omicron) and the at risk group are still the at risk group (typical of Omicron). In parentheses is my addition.

 

I'll feel better when Thailand doesn't have 588 COVID cases currently hospitalized in serious condition (as per the OP post here) -- a number that's its highest since at least the start of 2023 and four times the number (144) occurring at the start of 2024 (shown in purple below).

 

Week of Dec. 31, 2023 to Jan. 6, 2024:

 

 

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/?dashboard=main

 

And as the OP in this thread reported:

 

"Thailand is experiencing a significant but underreported surge in COVID-19 cases, with both public and private hospitals feeling the strain as outpatient and inpatient admissions rise.

...

Governments worldwide, including Thailand, are often downplaying the severity of this surge, with some manipulating COVID data. Despite claims from health authorities that new KP variants are not more transmissible or immune evasive, the increasing severity and hospitalisation rates suggest otherwise."

 

And one member laughed at me when I said I took a Covid test following a bad bout of coughing and spluttering.

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

And I guess there are many members here who will downplay the danger of infection.....

unless they get sick.🙏

The fact is it's a non-severe virul infection for the overwhelming majority. This is what it is now. Once again this artice gives no detail of comorbities of those who have died and again i wonder how many of those hospitalised are going to hospital for something else and then testing postive. More detail is needed but overall the numbers are still very small in a population of 70,000,000.

1 minute ago, KannikaP said:

And one member laughed at me when I said I took a Covid test following a bad bout of coughing and spluttering.

I did lots of coughing and spluttering when pm2.5 was at very high levels.

2 hours ago, ryandb said:

Not this bs again, I've never had one and never had covid once or been sick in the 4 plus years over this hypercondriacs wet dream people are living in, it's a cold unless you have underlying health problems, if you do, treat them or act accordingly.

 

 

You might never have had one (a vaccine?) during the 'hypochondriac's (correct spelling, by the way) wet dream', but over 7 million have died. I doubt they all had 'underlying health problems'. So count yourself lucky, but do not state that, just because you didn't get sick, Covid 19 wasn't a problem for others. 

 

Coronavirus Death Toll and Trends - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

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More detail is needed but overall the numbers are still very small in a population of 70,000,000.

 

The numbers always look small when you look at them one week at a time vs. an entire country's population base. But not so small when you look at the broader picture.

 

Cumulative since the start of the pandemic in Thailand -- 34,641 COVID deaths and 4.77 million COVID hospitalizations, including 1,882 new ones just in the past week.

 

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/?dashboard=main

 

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

The fact is it's a non-severe virul infection for the overwhelming majority. This is what it is now. Once again this artice gives no detail of comorbities of those who have died and again i wonder how many of those hospitalised are going to hospital for something else and then testing postive. More detail is needed but overall the numbers are still very small in a population of 70,000,000.

Yeah, the same nonsense as from every Covid-non believer or those who deny the virus. 

It's a virus, man. And damage more or less your body or parts of it. Even think of Long COVID.

Ignorance doesn't help.

And if YOU will get it you're complaining: I didn't know that it would hit me so severe.🙏

 

2 hours ago, ryandb said:

Not this bs again, I've never had one and never had covid once or been sick in the 4 plus years over this hypercondriacs wet dream people are living in, it's a cold unless you have underlying health problems, if you do, treat them or act accordingly.

 

 

So having not had it, you are effectively commenting in ignorance.  Not that I believe it is worthy of the mass hysteria but it is far from just a cold as you state and affects different people in different ways.  Having had it myself 3 times (the last time being about 6 weeks ago), it has never really hit me that seriously although the last time/variant, I wasn't capable of anything other than sleeping and binge watching Netflix for a week.  On the other hand I have a mate who was a strong fit guy in his mid 30s, who spent 7 days in an induced coma during the early infection wave and states that it has affected him long term.  Tell him to his face that he's a hypochondriac and he'd drop you where you stood and most probably send you to ICU for a week. 

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I did lots of coughing and spluttering when pm2.5 was at very high levels.

 

And bad air, such as Thailand has seasonally, makes COVID worse!

 

Even low levels of air pollution tied to longer COVID-19 hospital stay

Adult COVID-19 patients exposed to air pollution spent an average of 4 extra days in the hospital, further overwhelming health systems, concludes a Belgian study published ...  in the European Respiratory Journal.

...

"Our findings indicate that people who were exposed to air pollution, even at relatively low levels, were sicker and needed more time in hospital to recover," senior author Tim Nawrot, PhD, of Hasselt University, said in a European Respiratory Society press release.

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/even-low-levels-air-pollution-tied-longer-covid-19-hospital-stay

 

Several trolling posts have been removed.

 

7 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Yeah, the same nonsense as from every Covid-non believer or those who deny the virus. 

It's a virus, man. And damage more or less your body or parts of it. Even think of Long COVID.

Ignorance doesn't help.

And if YOU will get it you're complaining: I didn't know that it would hit me so severe.🙏

 

You do realise that the common cold is a virus don't you? By the way I'm not a covid non believer as you say. It exists. It's a virus. It's now Omicron and has been for as long time and it's a highly contagious, non-severe virus for the overwheming majority. 

p.s. I've had covid at least twice. Once Delta and the other time Omicron. Not pleasant I'll admit but neither was the flu when I had that or severe headcolds when I've had them. 

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

And I guess there are many members here who will downplay the danger of infection.....

unless they get sick.🙏

 

There should no longer be any "danger of infection", as the overwhelming majority of people are multiple-jabbed, which was, according to the "scientific" community, the politicians and the media of the entire planet, the only way to "put Covid behind us".

 

So surely Covid is behind us, right?

 

Or were we lied to?

11 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

There should no longer be any "danger of infection", as the overwhelming majority of people are multiple-jabbed, which was, according to the "scientific" community, the politicians and the media of the entire planet, the only way to "put Covid behind us".

 

So surely Covid is behind us, right?

 

Or were we lied to?

 

 

At the peak of the pandemic, 25,000 people per week were dying of COVID in the U.S. Now that figure in recent weeks was less than 500.

 

 

Source:

 

What was done worked!  But once respiratory viruses emerge, they rarely if ever totally disappear. COVID likely is with the world, albeit at reduced levels, for the long haul.

 

WHO chief declares end to COVID-19 as a global health emergency

5 May 2023

 

The head of the UN World Health Organization (WHO) has declared “with great hope” an end to COVID-19 as a public health emergency, stressing that it does not mean the disease is no longer a global threat.

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/05/1136367

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

There should no longer be any "danger of infection", as the overwhelming majority of people are multiple-jabbed, which was, according to the "scientific" community, the politicians and the media of the entire planet, the only way to "put Covid behind us".

 

So surely Covid is behind us, right?

 

Or were we lied to?

I think natural immunity has more to do with it. Everyone I know hasn't had a jab for ages. As Omicron circulates people get it most with mild symptoms and some no symptoms at all and each time you get a natural booster. Omicron changes, people get it and get boosted naturally again and so it will continue.

3 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Yeah, the same nonsense as from every Covid-non believer or those who deny the virus. 

It's a virus, man. And damage more or less your body or parts of it. Even think of Long COVID.

Ignorance doesn't help.

And if YOU will get it you're complaining: I didn't know that it would hit me so severe.🙏

 

Covid denier?  Nope - We had Sars-Cov-2 and now have natural immunity.

 

The wife and I had Covid.  Never had a shot.  Covid lasted 4 days and change and only two of those days with a fever.
Wife had a mild cough for another week.  Me?  4 days and done.  I've had worse cases of influenza.

What I consider more dangerous to society and susceptible individuals are the damaging effects of 4+ years of constant, never-ending fear promoted by stakeholders in the vaccine industry and their friends in government who rotate in and out of private and public entities while benefiting from the "Covid pandemic" and now "Covid Variants Obsession Syndrome" which generated hundreds of billion dollars in medical related revenues.  And to this day they are still banging the "Be Hyper-Vigilant Or Covid Is Gonna Get 'Cha!"  Imho there are large percentages of the populations in Asia and some Western countries who will be psychologically scarred for life.  You'll know them - they will be those people still wearing masks 10 years from now.  Like those driving in their car alone while all masked up:  Victims of Covid-Mysophobia-OCD.  I find that immensely sad.

 

I guess there will always be the sheeple out there going for the 22nd clot shot booster. 

I want to ask all these proponents of getting another shot on top of another shot, why is it that 6 months before covid hit the streets pharma companies were granted immunity from prosecution if there were complications. Also, do the maths, if every person on the planet was supposed to have the shots needed to clear covid, it would take all the manufacturers 30 years to produce enough vaccines.

No doubt I will be lambasted by people for this post, so be it, however, i am far from alone in believing it is all a sham in the name of control.

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I think natural immunity has more to do with it. Everyone I know hasn't had a jab for ages. As Omicron circulates people get it most with mild symptoms and some don't even know they've got and each time you get a natural booster. Omicron changes, people get it and get boosted naturally again and so it will continue.

 

Yes, natural immunity is the best: I actually got suspended from this forum two years ago for saying this – can't say we haven't been through crazy times!

16 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You do realise that the common cold is a virus don't you? By the way I'm not a covid non believer as you say. It exists. It's a virus. It's now Omicron and has been for as long time and it's a highly contagious, non-severe virus for the overwheming majority. 

p.s. I've had covid at least twice. Once Delta and the other time Omicron. Not pleasant I'll admit but neither was the flu when I had that or severe headcolds when I've had them. 

Good luck👏