1,882 new COVID-19 hospitalisations and 16 deaths in the last week

[newbee2022]

6 minutes ago, connda said:

natural immunity

NO

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Good luck👏

This is something I would say to someone who is about to get a booster.

[Trip Hop]

Just now, connda said:

I bet you're up to date on your Covid vaccines and your boosters?

 

Actually no and I only had the first ones to protect my elderly parents.  Considering my late mother had mid/latter stage Alzheimer's at the time, my father was her main carer and made her a promise that he would never have her placed in a care home, I thought it was the responsible thing to do.  Why, do you have any problems with this?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, AhFarangJa said:

Also, do the maths, if every person on the planet was supposed to have the shots needed to clear covid, it would take all the manufacturers 30 years to produce enough vaccines.

 

No idea what numbers you're on about.

 

Since COVID vaccines were begun 3-1/2 years ago in late 2020, more than 13 Billion doses have been given. The world has a population of about 8 billion.

 

 

Source:

 

Edited May 20 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[terryofcrete]

No free boosters for elderly or vulnerable citizens in Thailand, they cost money , and the government in Thailand don't like spending money on its people , excluding themselves , of course . I'm 75 and here in Ireland I got messages from the health authority , my GP, my local health nurse and followed by a reminder , to get my free booster recently. Same with the flu vaccine every autumn.
 

[connda]

Good lord, put it into perspective:

1,882 Covid cases in one week out of a population of...71,877,145 people in Thailand.

This is exactly why I find this subject to be an exercise in hyperbole by news agencies as well as governmental agencies and stakeholders in medical manufacturing corporations.  It literally seeks to create the conditions of obsessive hyper-vigilance. 

It's not healthy. 

 

Source:

Edited May 20 by stats
unsourced and unsubstantiated claim removed

[BKKBike09]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Most public health agencies -- including the Thai MoPH -- still recommend mask wearing and social distancing as effective measures to reduce the risk of catching COVID.

I guess this is all rubbish, then?

 

Wearing face masks did not reduce risk of Covid infection after first Omicron wave, research shows

 

Thursday 16 May 2024

 

New research from the University of East Anglia has found that wearing face masks did not lower the risk of Covid infection following the initial surge of the Omicron variant.
 

The analysis of official data found that several risk factors for infection altered significantly as the dominant variant in the UK changed from Delta to Omicron in December 2021 ...

 

... This latest research found that prior to Omicron BA.2, never wearing a mask was associated with an increased risk of around 30pc in adults and 10pc in children.  
 
But by the second Omicron wave (mid to late February 2022 onwards) there was no protective effect from mask wearing in adults and possibly an increased risk of infection in children ... [emphasis added]
   
https://www.uea.ac.uk/about/news/article/wearing-face-masks-did-not-reduce-risk-of-covid-infection-after-first-omicron-wave-research-shows

 

Edited May 20 by stats
shortened for fair use quoting

[stoner]

3 hours ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

wait a minute didnt the orange guy say covid would go away when biden won??? im confused

 

slow clap for all the grandpas that get angry here when they see thais wearing masks...going to the funeral are you????

 

i must of missed where they talked about trump in this thread. are you sure you are posting in the right place ? 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, connda said:

Good lord, put it into perspective:

1,882 Covid cases in one week out of a population of...71,877,145 people in Thailand.

 

I already did:

 

The numbers always look small when you look at them one week at a time vs. an entire country's population base. But not so small when you look at the broader picture.

 

Cumulative since the start of the pandemic in Thailand -- 34,641 COVID deaths and 4.77 million COVID hospitalizations, including 1,882 new ones just in the past week.

 

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/?dashboard=main

 

[newbee2022]

16 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

This is something I would say to someone who is about to get a booster.

Yeah, that's a funny reply🤗. Thanks. However, I would say this to you, because I get the benefit and you have to expect to suffer 🥴

[stoner]

since coming home to canada over a month ago i have not heard covid mentioned once. the only time i ever hear anything to do with covid is when i read it on here or i bring it up.

 

no one wears a mask here at all either. you see the odd person here and there wearing one...which in those cases look like they should be wearing one. but other than that its like it never even existed. 

 

yes i am aware that covid is still out there but the general attitude towards it now is far removed from before. as it should be. 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

21 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

Wearing face masks did not reduce risk of Covid infection after first Omicron wave, research shows

 

Thursday 16 May 2024

 

There's separate questions that arise in such debate, and they're different.

 

1. Does mask wearing at the society level reduce the spread of COVID in a society at large? Different studies have made different judgments about this, where many factors other than masking can drive infection rates.

 

2. Does proper mask wearing protect the mask wearer, e.g., reduce their individual risk of contracting COVID...  The scientific opinion on this is overwhelmingly yes.

 

The Evidence Is Clear: Wearing a Mask Does Reduce the Spread of COVID-19

A new review of studies from around the world finds that masking can reduce the odds of getting the virus.

 

Published on November 1, 2023

 

Yes, wearing a mask really does work to reduce the spread of COVID-19, according to a new comprehensive review published October 31, 2023, in JAMA Network Open.

 

After analyzing more than 40 studies conducted with seven different methodologies, the evidence was clear: Masks can reduce the risk of spreading COVID-19 and of being infected by COVID-19, says coauthor Tom Frieden, MD, president and CEO of Resolve to Save Lives and former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

 

https://www.everydayhealth.com/coronavirus/the-evidence-is-clear-wearing-a-mask-does-reduce-the-spread-of-covid-19/

 

 

Face mask effectiveness: What science knows now

October 29, 2023

 

When the COVID-19 pandemic took off in 2020, so too did questions over the effectiveness of wearing a face mask to prevent the spread of the virus. Now, three and a half years later, what does the science say?  

 

In an interview for 60 Minutes, CBS News chief medical correspondent Dr. Jon LaPook posed that question to Linsey Marr, a Virginia Tech university professor specializing in aerosol science.

 

"They are very helpful in reducing the chances that the person will get COVID because it's reducing the amount of virus that you would inhale from the air around you," Marr said about masks.  

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-mask-effectiveness-what-science-knows-now-60-minutes/

 

 

April 23, 2024

 

Hospital-onset COVID-19 surged after end of universal screening, masking

 

HOUSTON — Ending universal masking and admission testing of all hospitalized patients was associated with an increase in hospital-onset COVID-19 at five Massachusetts hospitals, researchers found.

 

“What prompted the study was our published viewpoints that the use of universal masking and testing continues to have value in hospitals where there is a high concentration of vulnerable patients during times of substantial respiratory virus transmission,” Theodore R. Pak, MD, PhD, an infectious diseases fellow at Massachusetts General Hospital, told Healio.

 

https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20240423/hospitalonset-covid19-surged-after-end-of-universal-screening-masking

 

Edited May 20 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[dinsdale]

5 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Yeah, that's a funny reply🤗. Thanks. However, I would say this to you, because I get the benefit and you have to expect to suffer 🥴

As I said I've had covid twice. I had two jabs early on because I believed the narrative. Luckily I didn't suffer too bad from them. Never again. Don't need them and don't trust them.

[Letseng]

4 hours ago, DrJoy said:

XBB vaccine is available in Mahidol Clinic against cash payment since many moons.

 

Cost = 2100/- THB approx

 

https://www.thaitravelclinic.com/cost.html

Thai Red Cross Bangkok as well. Asfaik also at Bumrungrad.

[connda]

22 minutes ago, Trip Hop said:

Why, do you have any problems with this?

Nope - no problem at all.  People who want them should get them.  I only have issues with people who demand that those who don't want the shots be forced to take them.  If you feel a need to take them?  Take them.  In fact I encourage those who wish to take them to stay completely up-to-date with the latest boosters.
But just stating anecdotally, the people whom I know who have gotten Covid multiple times tend have have one thing in common - Covid shots.  Virtually all of my Thai family with the exception of my wife got the shots.  Many of them have gotten Covid two, and some, three times.  Out of my friends, family, and acquaintances (most in the US) who did not get the shots, those who have gotten Covid have only gotten in once.  We discuss Covid and I don't hear about those people getting reinfected.  Again - from my own experience - I only speak for myself and those people who I know personally.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, connda said:

Virtually all of my Thai family with the exception of my wife got the shots.  Many of them have gotten Covid two, and some, three times.  Out of my friends, family, and acquaintances (most in the US) who did not get the shots, those who have gotten Covid have only gotten in once.

 

I'm sure your personal stories are scientifically significant....

 

Edited May 20 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[dinsdale]

18 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I'm sure you personal stories are scientifically significant....

 

Interestingly if a lot of the science that wasn't/isn't part of the narrative was allowed on this site we could all get a better idea if @connda's post concerning personal experience is significant. Sadly only one side of the story is allowed on this site.

Edited May 20 by dinsdale

[KannikaP]

46 minutes ago, terryofcrete said:

No free boosters for elderly or vulnerable citizens in Thailand, they cost money , and the government in Thailand don't like spending money on its people , excluding themselves , of course . I'm 75 and here in Ireland I got messages from the health authority , my GP, my local health nurse and followed by a reminder , to get my free booster recently. Same with the flu vaccine every autumn.
 

I got three Pfizer jabs 'on the house' here in Phitsanulok.

[dinsdale]

57 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

NO

Are you saying natural imminuty doesn't exist?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Are you saying natural imminuty doesn't exist?

 

Immunity protections from prior COVID infections and immunity protections from COVID vaccinations both contribute to immune protections in society, but neither is a permanent or total immunity against COVID.

 

What Is Natural Immunity?

For example, if someone gets natural immunity from a COVID-19 infection, the immunity may fade after 3 months.

...

What Is Vaccine-Induced Immunity?

Vaccines can protect your immune system against diseases without making you sick.

...

Severe vaccine side effects are rare. In most cases, the benefits of getting vaccinated against a disease far outweigh the risks.

 

COVID: Natural vs. Vaccine Immunity

Some people who haven’t gotten vaccinated against COVID-19 worry about the safety of the vaccines and say they’d prefer to get natural immunity. But there are several dangers to doing that.

 

If you’re not vaccinated, there’s a much bigger chance that the virus could make you seriously sick or kill you.

 

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/natural-immunity-overview

 

 

Is natural immunity better than a vaccine?

Natural immunity is the antibody protection your body creates against a germ once you’ve been infected with it. Natural immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19 is no better than vaccine-acquired immunity, and it comes with far greater risks. Studies show that natural immunity to the virus weakens over time and does so faster than immunity provided by COVID-19 vaccination.

 

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know

Posted 11/22/23

 

Edited May 20 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[ThailandRyan]

4 hours ago, ryandb said:

Not this bs again, I've never had one and never had covid once or been sick in the 4 plus years over this hypercondriacs wet dream people are living in, it's a cold unless you have underlying health problems, if you do, treat them or act accordingly.

 

Far from a cold Sir, and no it's not the flu either.....

[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Immunity protections from prior COVID infections and immunity protections from COVID vaccinations both contribute to immune protections in society, but neither is a permanent or total immunity against COVID.

 

What Is Natural Immunity?

For example, if someone gets natural immunity from a COVID-19 infection, the immunity may fade after 3 months.

...

What Is Vaccine-Induced Immunity?

Vaccines can protect your immune system against diseases without making you sick.

...

Severe vaccine side effects are rare. In most cases, the benefits of getting vaccinated against a disease far outweigh the risks.

 

COVID: Natural vs. Vaccine Immunity

Some people who haven’t gotten vaccinated against COVID-19 worry about the safety of the vaccines and say they’d prefer to get natural immunity. But there are several dangers to doing that.

 

If you’re not vaccinated, there’s a much bigger chance that the virus could make you seriously sick or kill you.

 

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/natural-immunity-overview

 

 

Is natural immunity better than a vaccine?

Natural immunity is the antibody protection your body creates against a germ once you’ve been infected with it. Natural immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19 is no better than vaccine-acquired immunity, and it comes with far greater risks. Studies show that natural immunity to the virus weakens over time and does so faster than immunity provided by COVID-19 vaccination.

 

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know

Posted 11/22/23

 

As I say only one side of the story is allowed on here and that's the side you continue to post.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

20 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

As I say only one side of the story is allowed on here and that's the side you continue to post.

 

You mean you're unhappy that you can't post nonsense YouTube videos about COVID, or posts by "doctors" who aren't really MDs, or those who have long histories of peddling documented COVID misinformation, running businesses that sell fake COVID "cures," writing bogus journal articles that end up getting retracted, etc etc....  Yes, they all have quite some stories to tell.

 

 

 

[dinsdale]

33 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Far from a cold Sir, and no it's not the flu either.....

Yep it's not a cold and it's not the flu you are correct. Three different virus although the common cold and the flu come in different varieties. I guess Omicron does too. But for saying it's far from a cold this is not the case for the vast majority of people. Covid 19, the flu and the common cold share many symptoms. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

42 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Covid 19, the flu and the common cold share many symptoms. 

 

Some things the same... some not.

Study: COVID Still Deadlier Than the Flu -- But the Gap Is Narrowing

 

"...5.7% of patients with COVID-19 died within 30 days of admission versus 4.24% of patients with influenza, reported Ziyad Al-Aly, MD, of the VA St. Louis Health Care System, and colleagues.

 

After adjusting for variables, the risk of death in people hospitalized for COVID-19 was 35% higher (adjusted HR 1.35, 95% CI 1.10-1.66), the authors detailed in a research letter in JAMA.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1327600-study-covid-still-deadlier-than-the-flu-but-the-gap-is-narrowing/

 

 

"...there were nearly twice as many hospitalizations for COVID-19 compared with the flu for the 2023-2024 season, according to CDC surveillance data. In the study population, over three times the number of people were hospitalized for COVID-19 than for the flu."

 

https://archive.ph/Fru20#selection-1363.47-1363.48

 

 

[dinsdale]

19 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

You mean you're unhappy that you can't post nonsense YouTube videos about COVID, or posts by "doctors" who aren't really MDs, or those who have long histories of peddling documented COVID misinformation, running businesses that sell fake COVID "cures," writing bogus journal articles that end up getting retracted, etc etc....  Yes, they all have quite some stories to tell.

 

 

 

You mean someone like this.....

[Robert] Clancy is an emeritus professor at the University of Newcastle's School of Biomedical Sciences and Pharmacy. He was previously Foundation Chair of Pathology at the University of Newcastle. Earlier in his career he was the first clinical immunologist at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Sydney. He was educated at North Sydney Boys High School. He holds a BS.Med (Hons) and a MBBS (Hons) from the University of Sydney and a PhD from Monash University. He is a fellow of the Royal Australasian College of Physicians (FRACP) and the Royal College of Pathologists of Australia (FRCPA). He was admitted as a Member of the Order of Australia (AM, Order of Australia) in 2005 for service to cartography as a collector of early maps of Australia and to the field of immunology.^[4]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Clancy_(doctor)}

Youtube vids featuring this person will not be allowed. His views oppose the narrative. Do you think he is not qualified enough to make highly educated comments and to challenge the narrative that you hold onto so tightly? Just one of many highly qualified people who are silenced by the legacy media. 

Edited May 20 by dinsdale

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Youtube vids featuring this person will not be allowed. His views oppose the narrative

 

no, the forum's policy in general doesn't allow private party social media content (including YouTube) in news and current affairs topic, except as follows, regardless of their particular views:

 

"18. Social media content is acceptable in most forums. However in factual areas such as but not limited to news, current affairs and health topics, social media cannot be used unless it is from a credible news media source or a government agency, and must include a link to the original source."

 

https://aseannow.com/forum_rules/

 

But the Wikipedia entry you linked to for that individual did include the following interesting notation:

 

"During the COVID-19 pandemic Clancy was involved in controversy when he was quoted by Australian MP Craig Kelly in support of unverified information about claimed benefits of the drugs hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. Newcastle University issued a statement in which it distanced itself from Clancy's views, mentioning also that the vice-chancellor had said the university did "not consider Robert Clancy a subject matter expert on COVID-19".^[5]

 

Edited May 20 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

no, the forum's policy in general doesn't allow private party social media content (including YouTube) in news and current affairs topic, except as follows, regardless of their particular views:

 

"18. Social media content is acceptable in most forums. However in factual areas such as but not limited to news, current affairs and health topics, social media cannot be used unless it is from a credible news media source or a government agency, and must include a link to the original source."

 

https://aseannow.com/forum_rules/

 

That's handy isn't it even if said YT vids supply links it cannot be posted. You didn't answer my question though. Do you think he is qualified enough to take a medical/scientific opinion opposing the narrative? Your post was it's all disinformation from unqualified people.

[madmitch]

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Guess that depends on how much you follow the news, and what sources you follow. UK still running almost 100 COVID deaths per week:

 

Surge in Covid cases prompt fears of a mini-wave

Proportion of people testing positive for the virus has jumped from 4.6 per cent to 7.1 per cent in the space of a week

May 2, 2024

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/surge-covid-cases-prompt-fears-mini-wave-3037684?ITO=newsnow

 

NHS in England facing ‘storm of pressure’ as flu and Covid cases surge

Average of 3,631 patients in hospital with Covid during Christmas week, data shows, a rise of 57% in a month

 

Dec. 2023

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/dec/29/nhs-england-storm-of-pressure-flu-covid-cases-surge

 

 

UKHSA current info:

 

 

https://ukhsa-dashboard.data.gov.uk/

 

 

That's one onliine news source and a Guardian article from December. I'll stick to my views. I won't requote your other post but I did state how most people feel when they have covid. I didn't mention hospitalisations or deaths. I was in hospital with flu pre-covid and I felt awful but my two covid bouts were pretty mild.

 

I did know that you'd be the one replying to my posts as you seem to be one of few posters that still takes covid seriously....and there's nothing wrong with that, it's not a dig. We all have our own viewpoints.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

That's handy isn't it even if said YT vids supply links it cannot be posted. You didn't answer my question though. Do you think he is qualified enough to take a medical/scientific opinion opposing the narrative? Your post was it's all disinformation from unqualified people.

 

I did answer your question above, citing your own Wiki entry on Clancy... that's also been reported elsewhere.

Hydroxychloroquine in Australia: a cautionary tale for journalists and scientists

...

Sometimes news organisations face a dilemma covering scientists recognised as specialists but whose views sit outside the mainstream. Retired immunologist Robert Clancy was an advocate for hydroxychloroquine frequently cited by Australian MP Craig Kelly. In February 2021, Sydney Morning Herald published an opinion piece by Clancy touting the drug’s benefits alongside an opinion piece by epidemiologist Catherine Bennett arguing there was insufficient evidence. 

 

The effect was to falsely suggest an evenly balanced debate within the scientific community. To address this, the newspaper added a note from Liam Mannix to the op-eds stating that “[t]he evidence shows hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are not effective in treating or preventing COVID-19.” The University of Newcastle issued a statement that it “does not consider Robert Clancy a subject matter expert on COVID-19.” 

 

Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism

https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/hydroxychloroquine-australia-cautionary-tale-journalists-and-scientists