vinny41 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: She is of Algerian origin She was born in Belgium and she represents the Government of Belgium Biden is of Irish origin and he doesn't share the same view as the current Irish Government Edited May 20 by vinny41 add 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 10 minutes ago, riclag said: Publicly! He’s playing both sides! Bidens only concern is being re-elected . He needs the left wing-Muslim-Anti Semitic vote , but also needs the vote of normal people . Being seem as extremist will alienate many voters . So, he's playing both sides and the election is his only concern . He will say anything to be re-elected 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted May 20 Popular Post Share Posted May 20 8 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said: Great news he's like Putin now a pariah amongst the great and the good. Netanhayu war criminal has a nice ring to it and let's go after his assets. What very joy it is to be alive on this glorious day.Go after their monies now and hit them where it hurts. Don't cheer too soon. The warrants have been applied for, but with colluder in chief Biden and his henchman Blinken whining in the background they might be able to sabotage the process and only Hamas warrents approved. Nothing like that will surprise me. The main problem I have with it is that the entire israeli war cabinet should have arrest warrants, not just 2 of them. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted May 20 Popular Post Share Posted May 20 7 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said: 1. Cooperation with the ICC: Arrest and Surrender: If the accused head of state enters the territory of a signatory state, they are obligated to arrest and surrender the individual to the ICC, regardless of their official status. This is a key principle of the Rome Statute, ensuring that no one is above the law. Oh, I'm lovin' that. Nothing will make me happier than to see netanyahu in the dock, with a long stretch in pokey after. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 5 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: Please also include the people who sent all those weapons to Israel. The war wouldn't happen without the unconditional support from the USA and others. IMO even the ICC would be afraid to indict Biden. Anyway, when netanyahu is convicted, Biden will be tainted by association. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Don't cheer too soon. The warrants have been applied for, but with colluder in chief Biden and his henchman Blinken whining in the background they might be able to sabotage the process and only Hamas warrents approved. Nothing like that will surprise me. The main problem I have with it is that the entire israeli war cabinet should have arrest warrants, not just 2 of them. No way will the USA allow this to proceed . They realise that they could be next . The ICC would then become the World power , arresting anyone they disagree with . The ICC would rule the World 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 17 minutes ago, it is what it is said: excellent, as bad as each other. stop hating each other. live and let live. If Satan came into your house and kidnapped your family, how would you react ? Would you negotiate a peace with the terrorist Satan who is hell bent on the destruction of your existence! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 43 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: No way will the USA allow this to proceed . They realise that they could be next . The ICC would then become the World power , arresting anyone they disagree with . The ICC would rule the World The ICC would then become the World power , arresting anyone they disagree with . You mean like the dozen Republican senators who threaten the ICC prosecutor and his family “Target Israel and we will target you. If you move forward with the measures indicated in the report, we will move to end all American support for the ICC, sanction your employees and associates, and bar you and your families from the United States,” the senators wrote in the letter sent April 24. “You have been warned,” the letter concluded. https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/05/06/congress/gop-senators-warn-icc-on-israel-00156232 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 3 minutes ago, vinny41 said: The ICC would then become the World power , arresting anyone they disagree with . You mean like the dozen Republican senators who threaten the ICC prosecutor and his family “Target Israel and we will target you. If you move forward with the measures indicated in the report, we will move to end all American support for the ICC, sanction your employees and associates, and bar you and your families from the United States,” the senators wrote in the letter sent April 24. “You have been warned,” the letter concluded. https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/05/06/congress/gop-senators-warn-icc-on-israel-00156232 Yes , the USA and other nations will not allow this to happen . This could be the end of the ICC , they cannot become the World super power 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 4 hours ago, Neeranam said: @Morch @ezzra @Jingthing @Eloquent pilgrim Do you think the ICC is antisemitic? We don't have to guess what you're preferences and views are do we now? and while the arrest warrant are being printed, more Palestinian terrorists in their thousands will die and that's what matter most... Edited May 20 by ezzra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vinny41 Posted May 20 Popular Post Share Posted May 20 5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Yes , the USA and other nations will not allow this to happen . This could be the end of the ICC , they cannot become the World super power You are living in fantasy land every time the USA tries to do something through the security council there is 2 parties which will just use their veto card The days of the US bully boy tactics are over 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 6 minutes ago, vinny41 said: You are living in fantasy land every time the USA tries to do something through the security council there is 2 parties which will just use their veto card The days of the US bully boy tactics are over Aren't the Security Council and the ICC two different groups ? Two different things ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Media Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 Topic Update: Reactions to Arrest warrant bids for Netanyahu, Gallant & Hamas Leaders The Pre-Trial Process. The ICC's pre-trial chamber, composed of three to four judges, will now review Khan's application for the arrest warrants. Historically, the pre-trial chamber has confirmed charges in 29 out of 31 cases, suggesting a high probability that warrants could be issued. However, the timeline for this process is uncertain, ranging from a few weeks to several months. Netanyahu’s Response In a vehement video response, Netanyahu dismissed the charges as "absurd and false," asserting that the ICC's actions are an attack on Israel as a whole. He defended the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), describing them as "the most moral army in the world." Netanyahu condemned the comparison between Hamas militants and IDF soldiers as a form of "new antisemitism" and assured the Israeli public that the ICC would not hinder Israel's efforts to defeat Hamas and secure "total victory." Hostage families ‘applaud’ move against Hamas but criticise ‘equivalence’. Families of the Israeli hostages held captive in Gaza “applauded” the ICC prosecutor’s decision to seek arrest warrants against three top Hamas leaders, but criticised the same move being taken against Israel’s prime minister and defence minister. International Reactions Reactions to the ICC's announcement have been sharply divided. Some European leaders have condemned the move, while others have offered cautious support. Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala called the decision "appalling and completely unacceptable," and Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer expressed similar reservations, questioning the comparison between Hamas and Israeli officials. The UK government has said the ICC’s application for arrest warrants against Israeli and Hamas leaders will not help the situation on the ground in Gaza. “We do not believe that seeking warrants will help get hostages out, get aid in, or deliver a sustainable ceasefire. This remains the UK’s priority,” said a UK government spokesperson. Britain maintains that the ICC does not have jurisdiction in this case. “The UK has not yet recognised Palestine as a state, and Israel is not a state party to the Rome Statute,” the spokesperson added. Biden slams potential ICC arrest warrant for Netanyahu as "outrageous". "Let me be clear: whatever this prosecutor might imply, there is no equivalence — none — between Israel and Hamas. We will always stand with Israel against threats to its security," Biden said. Secretary of State Tony Blinken also rejected the warrants and called the equivalizing of Israel and Hamas "shameful," in a statement. "This decision does nothing to help, and could jeopardize, ongoing efforts to reach a ceasefire agreement that would get hostages out and surge humanitarian assistance in, which are the goals the United States continues to pursue relentlessly," Blinken's statement said. Germany said Monday the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court's application for arrest warrants against Israeli and Hamas leaders on suspicion of war crimes created a "false impression of equivalence". Hamas had perpetrated a "barbaric massacre" with its October 7 attack on Israel, the spokesman said. "Hamas continues to hold Israeli hostages in unspeakable conditions, attacks Israel with rockets and uses Gaza's civilian population as human shields," he said. "The Israeli government has the right and duty to protect and defend its people from this," the spokesman said. In this context, however, it was "clear that international humanitarian law with all its obligations applies", he added. Italy foreign minister says it is “unacceptable” to equate the Israeli democratic government with the Hamas terror group. The comments are Antonio Tajani’s first on the International Criminal Court prosecutor’s request for arrest warrants for the leaders of Israel and Hamas. “It seems to me truly singular, I would say unacceptable, to equate a government legitimately elected by the people in a democracy with a terrorist organization that is the cause of everything that is happening in the Middle East,” Tajani tells a TV show. Hamas Reactions Hamas has Denounced the request presented today by the International Criminal Court (ICC) for Arrested Warrants against Hamas’s Military Leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar as well as Two other Senior Officials; Mohammed Deif, the Leader of the Al-Qassem Brigades and Ismail Haniyeh, the Political Leader of Hamas. With them further stating that they Support the Arrest Warrants for Israeli Officials like Prime Minister Netanyahu, but that they should be “Wider Reaching” and apply to any Israeli who has Contributed to the War in Gaza. Legal and Political Implications Israel is expected to challenge the ICC’s jurisdiction over its leaders. The primary argument will be that the ICC, according to its charter, cannot prosecute nationals from countries with independent judiciaries capable of conducting their own investigations and legal proceedings. Israel asserts that it has a robust legal system that thoroughly investigates alleged crimes. The ICC claims jurisdiction over Gaza, East Jerusalem, and the West Bank, based on Palestinian leaders' acceptance of the court's authority since 2015. This jurisdictional claim is central to the current proceedings and will likely be a significant point of contention. 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Bkk Brian Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 9 hours ago, rattlesnake said: Waiting for the pro-Israel posters to call the ICC antisemitic… Why? They are also after arrest warrants for 3 Hamas leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 10 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said: Great news he's like Putin now a pariah amongst the great and the good. Netanhayu war criminal has a nice ring to it and let's go after his assets. What very joy it is to be alive on this glorious day.Go after their monies now and hit them where it hurts. Arrest warrants not even been granted and you have him convicted as a war criminal and asset seizure dreams. Having the same dreams about Hamas? The ones who started this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 9 hours ago, rattlesnake said: Waiting for the pro-Israel posters to call the ICC antisemitic… You still waiting ? It does seem to be the Palestinian supporters who are always going on about anti Semitism all the time and making denials without even being accused 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 4 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said: He is totally without shame and by bringing the comparison with the horrors of the Holocaust shows he has zero morals or scruples. Truly the darkest moment in Israeli history where their duly elected PM and defence minister stand accused of extermination and mass starvation of civilians in pursuit of war aims. Here is Putin's crimes this is far worse. Mr Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, born on 7 October 1952, President of the Russian Federation, is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute). The crimes were allegedly committed in Ukrainian occupied territory at least from 24 February 2022. There are reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Putin bears individual criminal responsibility for the aforementioned crimes, (i) for having committed the acts directly, jointly with others and/or through others (article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute), and (ii) for his failure to exercise control properly over civilian and military subordinates who committed the acts, or allowed for their commission, and who were under his effective authority and control, pursuant to superior responsibility (article 28(b) of the Rome Statute). https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and Its a fact that Oct 7th terrorist attack was the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. What's wrong with bringing up facts? The families of those massacred and held hostage have morals can they bring it up? The rest of your post is completely off topic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 May as well forget any hostage deal now, Hamas will be even more emboldened. They've just been thrown under the bus by Khan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 3 hours ago, ezzra said: We don't have to guess what you're preferences and views are do we now? and while the arrest warrant are being printed, more Palestinian terrorists in their thousands will die and that's what matter most... Who is we? I have no bias here, lock them all up. Did you vote for Netanyahu? 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 37 minutes ago, Neeranam said: I have no bias here Says the man that recently changed his avatar to a pro Hamas badge, and who then reports anyone that mentions it. Still got the moderators on speed-dial I see. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Karim Khan, a member of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, born in the UK to a Pakistani father, wants to prosecute the Israeli PM and the Israeli Defence Minister ….. quelle surprise. Khan also said he wants to prosecute 3 Hamas terrorists, in a lame, transparent attempt to appear even handed; we see you Khan, we see you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eloquent pilgrim Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Excellent article from the Times this morning https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2e080e0a-c651-4db3-a41f-a3ccd952b6f5?shareToken=b19c8c6de182f1d13bee3ad866479a28 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: Please also include the people who sent all those weapons to Israel. The war wouldn't happen without the unconditional support from the USA and others. Would you also like to include the people that have been supplying the terrorists of Hamas with thousands of rockets, explosives, and automatic weapons ? Or just the people supplying the jews ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted May 21 Popular Post Share Posted May 21 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Would you also like to include the people that have been supplying the terrorists of Hamas with thousands of rockets, explosives, and automatic weapons ? Or just the people supplying the jews ? This has nothing to do with "the jews". Why is it that every time someone criticizes Israel and their government that we are accused to be against the Jews? All the bad guys should be prosecuted. And please keep things in perspective. How many Israelis did Hamas kill? And how many Palestinians die Israel kill - mostly women and children. And looking at the amount of weapons, I would be surprised if Hamas has used even 1% of what Israel used. And the USA sends them more and more and more. Do whatever you want. Sad. Edited May 21 by OneMoreFarang 1 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted May 21 Popular Post Share Posted May 21 (edited) 25 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: This has nothing to do with "the jews". Why is it that every time someone criticizes Israel and their government that we are accused to be against the Jews? All the bad guys should be prosecuted. And please keep things in perspective. How many Israelis did Hamas kill? And how many Palestinians die Israel kill - mostly women and children. And looking at the amount of weapons, I would be surprised if Hamas has used even 1% of what Israel used. And the USA sends them more and more and more. Do whatever you want. Sad. Hamas would disagree with you, its everything to do with Jews. They and their mates used over 12,000 rockets fired at Israel so probably more than 1% of the weapons used by the IDF. Had it not been for the iron dome 1000's of Israeli civilians would have been killed. No its not mainly Palestinian women and children killed, you need to get updated on the revised figures by the UN. Edited May 21 by Bkk Brian correction 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 2 hours ago, Neeranam said: Who is we? I have no bias here, lock them all up. Did you vote for Netanyahu? 'We' are those those who has a gut full of people like and others you who calls rapists, murderers and kidnappers, 'freedom fighters'... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 42 minutes ago, ezzra said: 'We' are those those who has a gut full of people like and others you who calls rapists, murderers and kidnappers, 'freedom fighters'... I thought you meant Israelis. Freedom fighters are never liked by those doing the oppressing. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Karim Khan, the prosecutor, is Scottish! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted May 21 Popular Post Share Posted May 21 7 minutes ago, Neeranam said: I thought you meant Israelis. Freedom fighters are never liked by those doing the oppressing. Freedom fighters are never liked by those doing the oppressing. Especially if they are not freedom fighters but murdering rapists taking hostages. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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