Physical Altercation Between Guards and Customers on Soi 6 in Pattaya Goes Viral

[Keeps]

10 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Just explain to me how it can be Brits in problem again?

 

5 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Long time now. I guess nobody had an explanation, as it has become norm for the nation in almost all countries they visit.

Or perhaps nobody could be bothered to respond because you are a tedious, one trick pony? You are akin to the boy who cried wolf. Perhaps, very few are interested in your repetitive baiting. 

 

Could this be the explanation?

[sherwood]

So the famed Nightwish Group employed these goons to " protect Soi 6 bars" Need to lift you game fellas.

[Mr Meeseeks]

1 hour ago, Furioso said:

Moral of the story: you must behave yourself in a foreign country.. too many foreigners, tourists and expats disrespecting Thailand and the Thai people!

 

To get respect you have to earn respect. 

 

I don't see much to respect about Thai men from that video. 

 

Fair play to the lassies though, they were trying to intervene because they know those guys are animals. 

[Pattaya57]

The Pattaya Mail is covering this story with two articles linked in this thread. Both articles are written by Adam Judd. Isn't there at least a perceived conflict of interest here as isn't Judd also a soi 6 bar owner/manager. Doesn't his bar also use the same security guys? Wouldn't he have a goal of limiting damage to soi 6 reputation?

 

Just wondering why the UK Sun can report guy is in a coma fighting for life in ICU but Pattaya news has no knowledge of foreigners health? 

 

[Ctkong]

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Hiring trained Thai personnel would be enough. These guys obviously have no formal training in handling such situations.

Trained Thai personnel costs money. My friend has night club security who are off duty policemen. You can tell by their crew cut and police boots. Soi 6 clubs are mainly small establishments who pooled together their resources to contract common pool security much like Korean karaoke clubs hiring common pool freelancers …

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, BritScot said:

Open your ears and eyes. I suppose the old couple and their son a few years ago who got a severe gang kickdown ending in hospital and very serious injuries was a figment of the imagination.  Wake up for god sake or does it make you feel safe victim blaming? This could very easily happen to you so better lock your door and hide under your bed....

If I remember the same incident with the couple and their son, I think I remember they started the problem.

But obviously that was one of those videos which starts with the Thai guys punching and not the minute or two before that. There is a lot of creative editing going on.

 

No, it couldn't easily happen to me. I pay my bills, I make sure the girls get their drinks and tips, and at least some of the owners, managers and guards know me. No problem. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

1 hour ago, Pattaya57 said:

I was at a Pattaya bar and as place was full waitress asked if ok for two guys to join my table, no problem I said. When I ordered a beer they then proceeded to get theirs and tell waitress put on my bill. I should have been checking but had no clue someone would brazenly do that. 

 

Once I noticed I had different beers on my bill waitress pointed at the 2 guys and told me they said ok to put on my bill. When I asked the guys why they just shrugged their shoulders and said why not.

 

So yes, they may not have even known the 3rd guy who didn't pay his bill 

 

I had the same happen to me in Phuket once with two Finns. Must be 20 years ago.

[rattlesnake]

2 minutes ago, Ctkong said:

Trained Thai personnel costs money. My friend has night club security who are off duty policemen. You can tell by their crew cut and police boots. Soi 6 clubs are mainly small establishments who pooled together their resources to contract common pool security much like Korean karaoke clubs hiring common pool freelancers …

 

Yep… but that would still be the right way to tackle the issue IMO… even if it means less establishments get to open.

[Mr Meeseeks]

42 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Intent to cause harm or intent to kill ?

 

Doesn't matter when someone dies as a result.

 

There was malice and intent, therefore it is murder. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If I remember the same incident with the couple and their son, I think I remember they started the problem.

But obviously that was one of those videos which starts with the Thai guys punching and not the minute or two before that. There is a lot of creative editing going on.

 

No, it couldn't easily happen to me. I pay my bills, I make sure the girls get their drinks and tips, and at least some of the owners, managers and guards know me. No problem. 

 

A 65yo woman was beaten and kicked in the head. Doesn't matter who 'started it'.

 

Get a grip of yourself. 

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, patman30 said:

when i had a go-go bar
we had security that was provided by the police we were paying
one of those security punched one of our own girls in the face when she declined to give him some money (she could not work for a week)
i fired all 3 of them that night (as the other 2 just stood there and watched and done nothing)
and then had 2 of them come next night threatening to cut my throat.

 

Thanks for the reply.

I should have written that I am not aware of any farang being attacked by the guards for no reason.

I try not to get involved in what Thai people do with each other. They have some "rules" which I just don't understand.

I.e. a long time ago the sister of my gf borrowed money from someone in a bar. And then the sister didn't go back to that bar. My gf was approached to pay what the sister should have paid. And my gf settled the bill. Was that fair? I don't think so. But I gave up finding logic in Thai behavior.

[Ctkong]

2 hours ago, patman30 said:

not saying this is what happened
but from experience i can tell you
it is very common for expats and tourists to quickly make new "friends" here while out n about,
move on to the next bar together as a group
then the new friend suddenly disappears after running up a bill
had this happen a few times, even with expats when in groups

Pick your friends carefully and pick your drinking buddies even more carefully.

[Spock]

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If I remember the same incident with the couple and their son, I think I remember they started the problem.

But obviously that was one of those videos which starts with the Thai guys punching and not the minute or two before that. There is a lot of creative editing going on.

 

No, it couldn't easily happen to me. I pay my bills, I make sure the girls get their drinks and tips, and at least some of the owners, managers and guards know me. No problem. 

What does it really matter who started it? It was the way that it was continued and ended that is the concern.

[Ctkong]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Thanks for the reply.

I should have written that I am not aware of any farang being attacked by the guards for no reason.

I try not to get involved in what Thai people do with each other. They have some "rules" which I just don't understand.

I.e. a long time ago the sister of my gf borrowed money from someone in a bar. And then the sister didn't go back to that bar. My gf was approached to pay what the sister should have paid. And my gf settled the bill. Was that fair? I don't think so. But I gave up finding logic in Thai behavior.

This is Thai community responsibility mentality … the headman responsible for families under his domain, the parents responsible for his children , the siblings responsible for those wayward ones. Not alien to other Asian social structure.. 

[Bvor]

12 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

Just wondering why the UK Sun can report guy is in a coma fighting for life in ICU but Pattaya news has no knowledge of foreigners health? 

Speaking today, Sergeant Major Arthon from Pattaya City police station said the three security guards have been warned about their conduct but have not been arrested or charged.

He said: "The tourist in the video who was attacked has not filed a police report, so we cannot assign an investigating officer.

 

"There's no case open until they complain. We've had a look around but can't find them.

"Yes, we're still checking CCTV to see what happened to them.

"There are rumours that he is in intensive care but we haven't heard anything from hospitals."

typical TIT head in sand charade!

[SpaceKadet]

6 hours ago, roo860 said:

Three security guards who assaulted two foreign visitors admitted that their actions were excessive, raised their hands performing the “Wai” gesture, and apologized to Thai society for their actions.... 

What is this BS.... Shouldn't they apologize to the foreigners they beat up? 

[sherwood]

6 hours ago, roo860 said:

Three security guards who assaulted two foreign visitors admitted that their actions were excessive, raised their hands performing the “Wai” gesture, and apologized to Thai society for their actions.... 

Three otherwise useless monkeys.

The fat useless clown that did the running kick to the head needs naming and shaming.

Put his address out there so he can appreciate the error of his ways.

[sherwood]

42 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Yeah, nah.

Come up and see me, make me smile.

[Pattaya57]

3 minutes ago, sherwood said:

Three otherwise useless monkeys.

The fat useless clown that did the running kick to the head needs naming and shaming.

Put his address out there so he can appreciate the error of his ways.

His address is known. He works at soi 6 Nightwish bars... beware of his knuckle dusters

[Flummoxed]

He's in a coma...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28150872/horror-moment-brit-kicked-head-thailand-coma/

 

That Thai thug is screwed

[Patanawet]

6 hours ago, Taboo2 said:

pay your bin 

bill

 

[newbee2022]

7 hours ago, LennyW said:

Why does everyone keep using the terms, "Security guards" "Bouncers", they are neither, they are just hired thugs with zero training on how to be bouncers, just pack rats!

Well and then please answer why the hell you're going ......to the rats 😳

[scubascuba3]

21 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

The Pattaya Mail is covering this story with two articles linked in this thread. Both articles are written by Adam Judd. Isn't there at least a perceived conflict of interest here as isn't Judd also a soi 6 bar owner/manager. Doesn't his bar also use the same security guys? Wouldn't he have a goal of limiting damage to soi 6 reputation?

 

Just wondering why the UK Sun can report guy is in a coma fighting for life in ICU but Pattaya news has no knowledge of foreigners health? 

 

i agree a conflict of interest, Adam Judd, connected to Pattaya News, Nightwish group bars on soi 6 and Pattaya-addict forum which has closed the thread discussing it.

 

On a separate note, a recall a few years ago an American killing an aussie on soi 6, that went quiet also

[Pattaya57]

13 minutes ago, Bvor said:

Speaking today, Sergeant Major Arthon from Pattaya City police station said the three security guards have been warned about their conduct but have not been arrested or charged.

He said: "The tourist in the video who was attacked has not filed a police report, so we cannot assign an investigating officer.

Pretty hard to file a police report when you're in a coma in ICU.  What a ridiculous rule as it's all out there on video proving guilt 😞

 

[LennyW]

14 minutes ago, Bvor said:

Speaking today, Sergeant Major Arthon from Pattaya City police station said the three security guards have been warned about their conduct but have not been arrested or charged.

He said: "The tourist in the video who was attacked has not filed a police report, so we cannot assign an investigating officer.

 

"There's no case open until they complain. We've had a look around but can't find them.

"Yes, we're still checking CCTV to see what happened to them.

"There are rumours that he is in intensive care but we haven't heard anything from hospitals."

typical TIT head in sand charade!

This would have been the news yesterday for todays edition of the Sun, the Thai police said differently here today.

[LennyW]

8 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Well and then please answer why the hell you're going ......to the rats 😳

What??

[Ctkong]

2 hours ago, patman30 said:

when i had a go-go bar
we had security that was provided by the police we were paying
one of those security punched one of our own girls in the face when she declined to give him some money (she could not work for a week)
i fired all 3 of them that night (as the other 2 just stood there and watched and done nothing)
and then had 2 of them come next night threatening to cut my throat.

Thais have thin skin, big face. If any one of them think that they are being slighted ( regardless valid or not) they will resort to retribution. They can get someone to put a bullet into you with those cheap homemade ‘guns’ to maim or kill or use mumbo jumbo black magic to put a hex on you. Either way as a farang, it is always better to get some local thai to do the firing as an insulation between the farang and the employees. In Malaya of yesteryear, British estate owners used to employ Chinese estate managers to handle the local Malays and Indians as an insulative layer of cultural ‘face saving’ . The locals understand the cultural nuances better. 

[Flummoxed]

12 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

Pretty hard to file a police report when you're in a coma in ICU.  What a ridiculous rule as it's all out there on video proving guilt 😞

 

I don't think it's a rule more of a procedural issue. If the Brit is in as serious a condition as reported by the British press you can be sure that procedure will start moving along real quick. That vile, fat, moronic thug needs arresting. At the very least it's an attempted murder charge.

 

 

 

[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, hotandsticky said:

 

Don't go.

 

 

....but don't preach either.

I'm not preaching... and I don't choose to go.

Trash attracts trash.

[Bvor]

3 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

Pretty hard to file a police report when you're in a coma in ICU 😞

yeah, quite so.

i would of thought maybe cctv and numerous witnesses would suffice in order to lay charges so as to keep the public safe from these 3 goons reoffending.