Reform UK Overtakes Tories in Polls for the First Time

[youreavinalaff]

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Do you think they stay in their hotel rooms all night every night?

I've seen them with my own eyes, gathering in groups round the corner from their hotel accommodation. 

These things won't be reported, so if you haven't witnessed it I can understand your scepticism. 

Illegal immigrants don't stay in hotels.

[Mr Meeseeks]

8 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

What do you think happens to illegal immigrants who get caught in UK?

 

They claim asylum and are given government support including accommodation and benefits.

[youreavinalaff]

1 minute ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

They claim asylum and are given government support including accommodation and benefits.

No, they are not.

 

They get deported. That's what people need to understand. There is a huge difference between illegal immigrants and asylum seekers.

[Mr Meeseeks]

8 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Illegal immigrants don't stay in hotels.

 

Illegal immigrants that 'claim asylum' do.

[youreavinalaff]

6 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

Illegal immigrants that 'claim asylum' do.

Asylum seekers need grounds to claim. That is done on arrival. If illegals are picked up already living in UK, they have no grounds.

 

Asylum seekers and illegal immigrants are two totally different groups.

 

Illegal immigrants don't live in hotels. Simple. Some asylum seekers are taken care of while their applications are being considered, in line with international law.

Edited June 18 by youreavinalaff

[Mr Meeseeks]

Just now, youreavinalaff said:

No, they are not.

 

They get deported. That's what people need to understand. There is a huge difference between illegal immigrants and asylum seekers.

 

In 2022, there were 3,860 enforced returns. An incredibly small number.

 

If you look at the trends, fewer illegals are being detained and deported while many more are arriving. It's not sustainable. 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2023/how-many-people-are-detained-or-returned

[Mr Meeseeks]

Just now, youreavinalaff said:

Illegal immigrants don't live in hotels. Simple. Some asylum seekers are taken care of while their applications are being considered, in line with international law.

 

They should be in a suitable accommodation block, not in hotels paid for by the UK taxpayer.

 

If you claim asylum in Thailand, you are detained while the case is processed. Over 40 Uyghur asylum seekers have been in immigration detention for well over a decade. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

10 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

No, they are not.

 

They get deported. That's what people need to understand. There is a huge difference between illegal immigrants and asylum seekers.

 

No there isn't. Illegal immigrants arrive on small boats and then claim asylum. More than 60% of these are bogus claims and get refused. See link above.

[Mr Meeseeks]

5 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Some asylum seekers are taken care of while their applications are being considered, in line with international law.

 

The total amount spent on hotels and support for asylum seekers ballooned to £5.4bn in 2023-24

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/asylum-seekers-hotel-overspend-treasury-2931907?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw4MSzBhC8ARIsAPFOuyVvJJBgB1Bf3iHnJJMkl5uQ7KA5ocrpLjRkSVL9m7nNf_ZZs6f1dygaApgFEALw_wcB

[Mr Meeseeks]

14 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

No, they are not.

 

They get deported. That's what people need to understand. There is a huge difference between illegal immigrants and asylum seekers.

 

Where do you deport someone to if they don't have a passport or any records? 

[youreavinalaff]

8 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

They should be in a suitable accommodation block, not in hotels paid for by the UK taxpayer.

 

If you claim asylum in Thailand, you are detained while the case is processed. Over 40 Uyghur asylum seekers have been in immigration detention for well over a decade. 

Tell that to the opposition, numerous charities and human rights groups.

[youreavinalaff]

17 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

No there isn't. Illegal immigrants arrive on small boats and then claim asylum. More than 60% of these are bogus claims and get refused. See link above.

Those that claim asylum are asylum seekers. Not illegal immigrants. The clue is in the name.

Edited June 18 by youreavinalaff

[youreavinalaff]

22 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

In 2022, there were 3,860 enforced returns. An incredibly small number.

 

If you look at the trends, fewer illegals are being detained and deported while many more are arriving. It's not sustainable. 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2023/how-many-people-are-detained-or-returned

That figure is for FNO- Foreign national offenders.

 

The number of illegal immigrants deported was over 20000.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

The total amount spent on hotels and support for asylum seekers ballooned to £5.4bn in 2023-24

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/asylum-seekers-hotel-overspend-treasury-2931907?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw4MSzBhC8ARIsAPFOuyVvJJBgB1Bf3iHnJJMkl5uQ7KA5ocrpLjRkSVL9m7nNf_ZZs6f1dygaApgFEALw_wcB

Seems like someone (hint a Tory Government) should not have stripped funding and staff from the immigration service.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

Where do you deport someone to if they don't have a passport or any records? 

I reckon you can identify someone sharing your nationality and likewise someone who bogusly claimed to be of your nationality without ever seeing their passport.

It’s not rocket science.

 

Recruit to the immigration service native speakers born and raised in the countries from which migrants are arriving.

 

Edited June 18 by Chomper Higgot

[pegman]

2 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

Where do you deport someone to if they don't have a passport or any records? 

Apparently Rwanda

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

Asylum seekers and illegal immigrants are two totally different groups.

 

Illegal immigrants don't live in hotels. Simple. Some asylum seekers are taken care of while their applications are being considered, in line with international law.

Nit picking. 

Illegal immigrants arrive on boats, make bogus asylum claims and then get put up in hotels. 

Yes technically while they drain the UK tax payers of funds waiting for their bogus asylum claims to be processed, they are deemed asylum seekers. But people will still call them illegal immigrants because in reality that's what they are. 

[youreavinalaff]

6 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Nit picking. 

Illegal immigrants arrive on boats, make bogus asylum claims and then get put up in hotels. 

Yes technically while they drain the UK tax payers of funds waiting for their bogus asylum claims to be processed, they are deemed asylum seekers. But people will still call them illegal immigrants because in reality that's what they are. 

Incorrect on so many points.

 

Time to go and educate yourself. Stop reading propaganda.

 

Then you and your people will stop calling groups by the wrong name.

[youreavinalaff]

56 minutes ago, pegman said:

Apparently Rwanda

No. That is asylum seekers. 

 

Illegal immigrants are deported to their own countries.

[CG1 Blue]

43 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Incorrect on so many points.

 

Time to go and educate yourself. Stop reading propaganda.

 

Then you and your people will stop calling groups by the wrong name.

It's called facing reality rather than wearing the rose tinted spectacles that 'your people' wear. 

[pegman]

45 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

No. That is asylum seekers. 

 

Illegal immigrants are deported to their own countries.

My response was to a post about people with no passports or records. Seems you have yourself confused. 

[DonniePeverley]

Net loss from Brexit has been 140 Billion so far. 

 

Yet we are meant to trust Farage again ? Totally nuts some people. 

 

 

[DonniePeverley]

6 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

"Most get deported"

 

Unfortunately most do not get deported. Most are young men and they end up loitering around town/city centres intimidating the locals. 

 

Have you seen the drunk British immigrants in Pattaya. Most of them drunk sex tourists, taking advantage of Thai women. 

 

Ah ya see, you don't like that comparison. 

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

It's called facing reality rather than wearing the rose tinted spectacles that 'your people' wear. 

No, it isn't.

 

It's called using correct terminology.

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, pegman said:

My response was to a post about people with no passports or records. Seems you have yourself confused. 

No, I'm not confused. 

 

Those claiming asylum have documents. 

 

Those without documents will be deported, when their country of origin has been determined.

[DonniePeverley]

5 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

They claim asylum and are given government support including accommodation and benefits.

 

Before Brexit, if an asylum application was refused, you could send them straight back to France as being part of the EU meant we had that deal in place. 

 

Why do you think this asylum number has become a major issue now? It's because we can now not send them back. That is why we are now scrambling around looking for other countries like Rawanda - which is a mess in itself. 

 

Secondly, under Labour asylum applications used to be done in a few weeks. Why is it now taking over a year? Theoretically, you could do an ayslum case in a couple of days (even in a day if you wanted to be tough). 

 

Personally, i think the Tory's may have thought this type of electrioneering rhetoric against immigration would work in their benefit. If anything it has completely backfired, because they have failed to deliver. 

 

The Tory party works best when they stay in the centre right of the political ground. A  balanced explanation why some immigration benefits the country, whilst illegal immigration and huge numbers should not be tolerated. Instead they have become so fearful of Farage, Brexit Party, UkIP, that they veered harsh to the far right and we had a catastrophic Brexit. They learnt nothing and did it again, and this time we could see the end of the party. 

Edited June 18 by DonniePeverley

[herfiehandbag]

6 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

Have you seen the drunk British immigrants in Pattaya. Most of them drunk sex tourists, taking advantage of Thai women. 

 

Ah ya see, you don't like that comparison. 

In one sentence they are "drunk British immigrants; in the next line they are "drunk sex tourists". By definition they cannot be both, so which "twin is the Toni"?

 

You seem to be very aware of the foibles of those you call British immigrants in Pattaya. Should we assume you are a relatively frequent visitor?

 

Temples, art galleries and the second hand bookshops do exhert a significant "draw"!

Edited June 19 by herfiehandbag

[Mr Meeseeks]

11 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

Tell that to the opposition, numerous charities and human rights groups.

 

I think the voters will at this election.

 

British people have had enough, and rightly so. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

6 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

Those without documents will be deported, when their country of origin has been determined.

 

The link to the UK Gov immigration website that I posted earlier suggests otherwise. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

6 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

Have you seen the drunk British immigrants in Pattaya. Most of them drunk sex tourists, taking advantage of Thai women. 

 

Ah ya see, you don't like that comparison. 

 

They are expats on Non-immigrant visas that meet the financial requirements to obtain permission of stay. 

 

It's a facile and pointless comparison.