DW channel has release a new video about Thailands sex industry

[advancebooking]

A lot of you might have seen the old video on 'DW Documentary' channel youtube last year. The main feature was a german guy who was arrested in Pats and subsequently bribed his way out of the situation and flew back to Frankfurt

 

Now theres a new video released today

 

[thaibeachlovers]

Another western "full of BS" doco, no doubt.

 

Even the title is BS. There are no "red lights" other than traffic lights in Pattaya.

Edited June 15 by thaibeachlovers

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Another western "full of BS" doco, no doubt.

 

Even the title is BS. There are no "red lights" other than traffic lights in Pattaya.

Obviously you failed to watch it before you commented!

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Obviously you failed to watch it before you commented!

Perhaps so, but when the title refers to non existing "red lights" I probably know as much of the content as I need to know.

 

I have yet to read any western media that doesn't portray Pattaya as a modern day Soddom.

[Wongkitlo]

8 hours ago, Hummin said:

Obviously you failed to watch it before you commented!

I sat through it. The journalist investigated it for 2 years and still could only find the Cobra Bar case. If he wants to really check out Ptya wouldn't you mention Soi Pothole, Soi BJ, Soi 13 or Soi 6 other than  soi bukhao(the supposed red light district) or Walking St(a tourist attraction for new arrivals). No mention of the countless massage shops or even Boyztown. If an underage wanted to work then the last 2 would probably be the most viable. I am not saying it doesn't happen but enough to warrant a 2,Year investigation and a nearly 1 hour documentary just seems a blow up.

[Hummin]

I can tell you so much, a documentary how so much time to build a case, and without proofs, there will only be speculations. This doc followed one case only and looked behind the cause of the suspects release and being allowed to trawel back home. 

 

And I think they managed well to prove how corrupt thai officials and police is!

[Kerryd]

Keep in mind - THIS IS THAILAND.
Not "old Blighty" or "Aus" or "murica".

In Thailand if you are arrested for a crime you are taken to a police station where they will inform you of what you are being charged with - and how much your BAIL is.

Because in Thailand, you can get bail in almost any case so you can be free to defend yourself against the charges. 
And even if you are already in jail for something like murder and you get charged with something like "land fraud" you can apply to be released from prison on bail so you can fight the new charges !!

Which is what the father of a former Pattaya Mayor (and a Bang Saen Mayor and a Chon Buri governor) did many years ago. And, naturally, did a runner as soon as he got out.

And in some cases you can be released on bail but the police keep your passport. And in other cases - you can get your passport back too !

Remember the case in Phuket not long ago where the one guy supposedly forged his business partner's signature so he could take over business and cut his old partner out.
If I recall, the forger was released on bail and then fought to get his passport back as well. Can't recall if he was successful.

So yeah, it's not really hard to imagine a foreigner getting released on bail and then doing a runner. Especially if the police didn't have his passport (or gave it back to him for some reason) and he split before they realized he was gone.

I mean sheesh, if you're in Pattaya and need to get out of the country quick it's less than 2 hours to the airport,  buy a ticket on the first flight out somewhere far away and 2-3 hours later you're buckled in and watching Bangkok fade into the distance.
By the time the authorities realize you've done a runner, you're in Hong Kong on your way to Sidney. Or in Delhi on your way to Amsterdam. 

(Even if the police have your passport, depending on your Embassy, you could possibly get "Emergency Travel Documents" that would get you through Immigration and onto a plane before anyone realized you were gone.)
 

[Hummin]

10 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

Keep in mind - THIS IS THAILAND.
Not "old Blighty" or "Aus" or "murica".

In Thailand if you are arrested for a crime you are taken to a police station where they will inform you of what you are being charged with - and how much your BAIL is.

Because in Thailand, you can get bail in almost any case so you can be free to defend yourself against the charges. 
And even if you are already in jail for something like murder and you get charged with something like "land fraud" you can apply to be released from prison on bail so you can fight the new charges !!

Which is what the father of a former Pattaya Mayor (and a Bang Saen Mayor and a Chon Buri governor) did many years ago. And, naturally, did a runner as soon as he got out.

And in some cases you can be released on bail but the police keep your passport. And in other cases - you can get your passport back too !

Remember the case in Phuket not long ago where the one guy supposedly forged his business partner's signature so he could take over business and cut his old partner out.
If I recall, the forger was released on bail and then fought to get his passport back as well. Can't recall if he was successful.

So yeah, it's not really hard to imagine a foreigner getting released on bail and then doing a runner. Especially if the police didn't have his passport (or gave it back to him for some reason) and he split before they realized he was gone.

I mean sheesh, if you're in Pattaya and need to get out of the country quick it's less than 2 hours to the airport,  buy a ticket on the first flight out somewhere far away and 2-3 hours later you're buckled in and watching Bangkok fade into the distance.
By the time the authorities realize you've done a runner, you're in Hong Kong on your way to Sidney. Or in Delhi on your way to Amsterdam. 

(Even if the police have your passport, depending on your Embassy, you could possibly get "Emergency Travel Documents" that would get you through Immigration and onto a plane before anyone realized you were gone.)
 

The Norwegian who killed an Indian/uk family father in Phuket, made it to Laos, and from there finely to Norway after a few years. He have not been charged in Norway, neither sent back to Thailand. He was released on bail as well, but they kept his passport.

 

He is on Interpool list, but as far I know, he have not been deported back to Thailand. 

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/interpol-notice-issued-for-norwegian-accused-of-killing-singapore-womans-husband-in

Edited June 16 by Hummin

[Kerryd]

11 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The Norwegian who killed an Indian/uk family father in Phuket, made it to Laos, and from there finely to Norway after a few years. He have not been charged in Norway, neither sent back to Thailand. He was released on bail as well, but they kept his passport.

 

He is on Interpool list, but as far I know, he have not been deported back to Thailand. 

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/interpol-notice-issued-for-norwegian-accused-of-killing-singapore-womans-husband-in

Many Western countries won't extradite anyone if they face the death penalty in a foreign country. Even if that country agrees to waive the death penalty, the accused's country still has to decided if the foreign country's case has merit.

Normally the country requesting the extradition has to basically prove their case in the accused's country's court to get an Extradition approved, which could then still be appealed. (Or they at least have to prove to a court that they have sufficient evidence to support a trial and that the evidence is "submissible". Which can be an issue because what is "submissible evidence" in Thailand may not be "submissible" in Norway or Canada or some other countries.)

In the case of Rakesh Saxena for example, he fled to Canada with his stolen billions that caused the Bangkok Bank of Commerce to collapse and caused the "Asian Flu" banking crisis.

Thailand wanted him sent back to face trial but they were looking at the death penalty for all the harm he'd caused. Canada refused until Thailand agreed to take the death penalty off the table.

But then Saxena, who wasn't in custody because he hadn't committed any crimes in Canada but couldn't travel because his passport had been confiscated, was able to use his stolen fortune to hire the best lawyers who kept appealing every extradition order the courts approved.

And while his lawyers were doing that, Saxena was running "boiler room" and "call center" scams in Canada and helping to finance an aborted coup in Sierre Leone. (A company Saxena owned that traded on the Vancouver stock exchange, Diamondworks, was going to help finance Sandline International who contracted Executive Outcomes for most of their mercenary force. In exchange, the "new" gov't in Sierre Leone would grant exclusive - and very expensive - diamond mining concessions to Diamondworks.)

Saxena was able to live a rich lifestyle on his ill-gotten gains for over 13 YEARS until finally the Supreme Court of Canada refused to hear his last appeal and he was finally sent back to Thailand.

(In Sept 2022 Saxena was sentenced to 335 years in prison however the maximum sentence is only 20 years. He was also sentenced to 10 years in June 2022 in another fraud case. Safe to say he's going to be in Bang Kwan until he dies of old age as he was already 70 at the time he was sentenced.)

Depending on your crime, often times you may be better off doing a runner and never looking back.

[Ben Zioner]

Pretty bad work, they present hotels listed on "Girl friendly hotels" sites as being brothels.. Now, that underage girls may be available in a few places might be true, but I have never seen one in the last 15 years. The part about bribery is interesting though. 

[advancebooking]

who was the british owner of the bar that they refer to in the video? was it the british youtuber whose wife was locked up last year. The guy that owns many bars in pattaya?. 

[milesinnz]

when is DW going to do documentaries on sexual abuse in Africa, Europe, the USA, Bangladesh and India. I know some documentaries have been done in the past (I have seen them), but I have never seen these places revisited. In terms of deprivation and misery, this makes the scene in Pattaya some sort of holy place. I think for DW, being the cheap left wing propagandists they are, it's not so sexy when you don't have wealthy white men paying good money for non white girls.. so it's ok for a worse and vastly more miserable situation (Africa, Bangladesh, India) to occur in other parts of the world, where the earnings are minuscule ? DW are the perverts...

[spidermike007]

Regardless of the merits of this video, expats and tourists here have to exercise caution. There are underage gals working the streets and working in some bars or massage shops. Likely not many. But some. 

 

It is likely the US offers a reward to the local cops for snagging one of its citizens with an underage gal, as they are very zealous about these prosecutions. As an American, the laws in the US apply to all US passport holders, worldwide. Often the Thai cop will demand 100,000 baht, if she is 17, or one million baht, if 16 or under. You do not have it? You are turned over. Many guys end up on planes with an assistant DA dispatched from DC, in handcuffs, facing federal statutory rape charges. Unless you have millions to throw at a lawyer, you are looking at 10 years in a federal pen. And you will be on the sex offender list the rest of your life.

 

Many will dispute this. I have spoken to lawyers about it, and it is correct info. And the US government is over zealous about the underage thing. Not worth it. Always best to check if she looks really young. If she does not have ID, that is real trouble. Do not proceed.

 

The law changed in 2003, when the PROTECT Act was enacted. Prior to that, sex with minors abroad was covered by Customs statutes, which required proof that the US citizen left the US with the intent of having sex with persons under the age of 18 - something that was very difficult to prove. (It's also worth noting that both Jerry Lee and Elvis married teenagers. Laws in the US are peculiar in that many states allow marriage to someone below the age of consent, as long as their parents agree.)

 

Under the PROTECT Act, there is no need for the government to prove intent. If an American has sex with someone under age 18 while in a foreign country, that's a crime, period, even if that sex isn't against the law in the country where it took place.

 

One mistake. One arrest and conviction of this sort and your life is basically over. 

[thailand49]

Thailand is no different!

They practice " the art of war "

If it is clearly " red "  they will look you straight in your face and tell you it is blue.

it is clear now Big Joke is just that a national joke who take bribes.

of course every year visit there is no prostitution.🤑

[Peterphuket]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Regardless of the merits of this video, expats and tourists here have to exercise caution. There are underage gals working the streets and working in some bars or massage shops. Likely not many. But some. 

 

It is likely the US offers a reward to the local cops for snagging one of its citizens with an underage gal, as they are very zealous about these prosecutions. As an American, the laws in the US apply to all US passport holders, worldwide. Often the Thai cop will demand 100,000 baht, if she is 17, or one million baht, if 16 or under. You do not have it? You are turned over. Many guys end up on planes with an assistant DA dispatched from DC, in handcuffs, facing federal statutory rape charges. Unless you have millions to throw at a lawyer, you are looking at 10 years in a federal pen. And you will be on the sex offender list the rest of your life.

 

Many will dispute this. I have spoken to lawyers about it, and it is correct info. And the US government is over zealous about the underage thing. Not worth it. Always best to check if she looks really young. If she does not have ID, that is real trouble. Do not proceed.

 

The law changed in 2003, when the PROTECT Act was enacted. Prior to that, sex with minors abroad was covered by Customs statutes, which required proof that the US citizen left the US with the intent of having sex with persons under the age of 18 - something that was very difficult to prove. (It's also worth noting that both Jerry Lee and Elvis married teenagers. Laws in the US are peculiar in that many states allow marriage to someone below the age of consent, as long as their parents agree.)

 

Under the PROTECT Act, there is no need for the government to prove intent. If an American has sex with someone under age 18 while in a foreign country, that's a crime, period, even if that sex isn't against the law in the country where it took place.

 

One mistake. One arrest and conviction of this sort and your life is basically over. 

Why was your right comment deleted about 'New covid sub-variant'

The moderator mentioned misinformation, but the info you posted was correct.
Who is he to judge that, it is highly objectionable.

[klauskunkel]

Why are they always dissing "red light"? It actually makes your skin look much better than fluorescent, or UV black light!

[john donson]

what about the myth that the professionals you meat in the hotspots, are the old one's are the thais consumed the very youngs first... why else does no thai want them ?

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Regardless of the merits of this video, expats and tourists here have to exercise caution. There are underage gals working the streets and working in some bars or massage shops. Likely not many. But some. 

 

It is likely the US offers a reward to the local cops for snagging one of its citizens with an underage gal, as they are very zealous about these prosecutions. As an American, the laws in the US apply to all US passport holders, worldwide. Often the Thai cop will demand 100,000 baht, if she is 17, or one million baht, if 16 or under. You do not have it? You are turned over. Many guys end up on planes with an assistant DA dispatched from DC, in handcuffs, facing federal statutory rape charges. Unless you have millions to throw at a lawyer, you are looking at 10 years in a federal pen. And you will be on the sex offender list the rest of your life.

 

Many will dispute this. I have spoken to lawyers about it, and it is correct info. And the US government is over zealous about the underage thing. Not worth it. Always best to check if she looks really young. If she does not have ID, that is real trouble. Do not proceed.

 

The law changed in 2003, when the PROTECT Act was enacted. Prior to that, sex with minors abroad was covered by Customs statutes, which required proof that the US citizen left the US with the intent of having sex with persons under the age of 18 - something that was very difficult to prove. (It's also worth noting that both Jerry Lee and Elvis married teenagers. Laws in the US are peculiar in that many states allow marriage to someone below the age of consent, as long as their parents agree.)

 

Under the PROTECT Act, there is no need for the government to prove intent. If an American has sex with someone under age 18 while in a foreign country, that's a crime, period, even if that sex isn't against the law in the country where it took place.

 

One mistake. One arrest and conviction of this sort and your life is basically over. 

The rule for me was if she looked too young she probably was.

[OneMoreFarang]

I saw several movies (I wouldn't call them documentary) like that over the years. I never saw even one which accurately described the situation.

It's like a new tourist comes to town and has no idea and then after 3 days he thinks he is the expert, and he returns home and tells people how it is - added with a lot of personal agenda.

[OneMoreFarang]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The rule for me was if she looked too young she probably was.

The rule for me is that if she works in a bar then she was hired to work in the bar. The owner and manager are responsible to obey the laws.

And then it's about my personal taste. I wouldn't buy a drink for anybody who behaves like a (innocent) child.

 

Areas like NANA have a strict entry control. I am pretty sure that won't let anybody under 20 enter that area. 

[RobU]

20 hours ago, Wongkitlo said:

I sat through it. The journalist investigated it for 2 years and still could only find the Cobra Bar case. If he wants to really check out Ptya wouldn't you mention Soi Pothole, Soi BJ, Soi 13 or Soi 6 other than  soi bukhao(the supposed red light district) or Walking St(a tourist attraction for new arrivals). No mention of the countless massage shops or even Boyztown. If an underage wanted to work then the last 2 would probably be the most viable. I am not saying it doesn't happen but enough to warrant a 2,Year investigation and a nearly 1 hour documentary just seems a blow up.

2 years of 10 minutes a week browsing the internet doing research as a hobby (or something to occupy time when there is nothing more important to do) is most likely. 

[Sydebolle]

Sex industry - what are ze Jermans tolkin abowt here? 

[OneMoreFarang]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Regardless of the merits of this video, expats and tourists here have to exercise caution. There are underage gals working the streets and working in some bars or massage shops. Likely not many. But some. 

 

It is likely the US offers a reward to the local cops for snagging one of its citizens with an underage gal, as they are very zealous about these prosecutions. As an American, the laws in the US apply to all US passport holders, worldwide. Often the Thai cop will demand 100,000 baht, if she is 17, or one million baht, if 16 or under. You do not have it? You are turned over. Many guys end up on planes with an assistant DA dispatched from DC, in handcuffs, facing federal statutory rape charges. Unless you have millions to throw at a lawyer, you are looking at 10 years in a federal pen. And you will be on the sex offender list the rest of your life.

 

Many will dispute this. I have spoken to lawyers about it, and it is correct info. And the US government is over zealous about the underage thing. Not worth it. Always best to check if she looks really young. If she does not have ID, that is real trouble. Do not proceed.

 

The law changed in 2003, when the PROTECT Act was enacted. Prior to that, sex with minors abroad was covered by Customs statutes, which required proof that the US citizen left the US with the intent of having sex with persons under the age of 18 - something that was very difficult to prove. (It's also worth noting that both Jerry Lee and Elvis married teenagers. Laws in the US are peculiar in that many states allow marriage to someone below the age of consent, as long as their parents agree.)

 

Under the PROTECT Act, there is no need for the government to prove intent. If an American has sex with someone under age 18 while in a foreign country, that's a crime, period, even if that sex isn't against the law in the country where it took place.

 

One mistake. One arrest and conviction of this sort and your life is basically over. 

 

How often does that happen?

At least I don't see reports in the press - but I don't check the US press. 

[spidermike007]

42 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

How often does that happen?

At least I don't see reports in the press - but I don't check the US press. 

It happens often, but it does not make it into the press. As you may know, the press in the US is somewhat compromised.

[sandyf]

On 6/16/2024 at 3:48 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Another western "full of BS" doco, no doubt.

 

Even the title is BS. There are no "red lights" other than traffic lights in Pattaya.

Quite, it's like a "must have" topic in the CV of every naive journalist.

Would have been hot news in Roman times if people found it easier to travel.

In 1972 I was posted to Germany, only a stones throw from Amsterdam, no shortage of red lights there.

[Paris333]

Actually to find a sex partner in European States is very-very cheap after millions illegal immigrants invade from the sea by boats and local Authorities play the role of.....receptionists and repeat the usual refrain if you object it that you belong to far right and you speak Russia furthermore accuse you for antisemitic stance.

So I dont understand the reason someone to travel by 10 hours expensive flight to Thailand in order to pay 2-4 times more for sex partner.

This is masochism and not a real tourist but my point is sex industry have been internationally advertised by Chinese "brotherhood" because Thailand have old history and thousands historical monuments plus thousands wonderful places for vacations.

 

Ayutthaya sees increasing number of tourists

 

 

[Hummin]

10 hours ago, milesinnz said:

when is DW going to do documentaries on sexual abuse in Africa, Europe, the USA, Bangladesh and India. I know some documentaries have been done in the past (I have seen them), but I have never seen these places revisited. In terms of deprivation and misery, this makes the scene in Pattaya some sort of holy place. I think for DW, being the cheap left wing propagandists they are, it's not so sexy when you don't have wealthy white men paying good money for non white girls.. so it's ok for a worse and vastly more miserable situation (Africa, Bangladesh, India) to occur in other parts of the world, where the earnings are minuscule ? DW are the perverts...

 

20 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Quite, it's like a "must have" topic in the CV of every naive journalist.

Would have been hot news in Roman times if people found it easier to travel.

In 1972 I was posted to Germany, only a stones throw from Amsterdam, no shortage of red lights there.

 

It doesnt change the fact it happens in Thailand, and no authorities do anything before it is highlligted and put in the spotlight! This documentary managed to something at least. 

 

Hopefully they continue to do work for the good, and maybe one or two girls got saved from the same destiny! 

 

Calling out DW for being left wing propagandist? FS it says alot about you!

[sandyf]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

 

It doesnt change the fact it happens in Thailand, and no authorities do anything before it is highlligted and put in the spotlight! This documentary managed to something at least. 

 

Hopefully they continue to do work for the good, and maybe one or two girls got saved from the same destiny! 

 

Calling out DW for being left wing propagandist? FS it says alot about you!

You would have to show me where I mentioned left wing, I only agreed to it being BS. Your assumptions say a lot about you.

The very first time I came to Thailand I went to a wedding and one of the male guests tried to  sell me his daughter, about ten years old. That is where it needs to change.

You probably believe that the prohibition period in the US stopped people drinking.

[Hummin]

50 minutes ago, sandyf said:

You would have to show me where I mentioned left wing, I only agreed to it being BS. Your assumptions say a lot about you.

The very first time I came to Thailand I went to a wedding and one of the male guests tried to  sell me his daughter, about ten years old. That is where it needs to change.

You probably believe that the prohibition period in the US stopped people drinking.

without the documentary, it wouldnt had all national tv for weeks following this case! 

 

If you look at my reply, there is you and one more who I replied to! 

[Sandboxer]

DW is funded by the same retarded Kraut muppet govt/parties that push the myth that Ukraine can be armed enough/Russia can be sanctioned to win the war 555......

Edited June 17 by Sandboxer