Classrooms in Louisiana Must All Display Ten Commandments

[tonbridgebrit]

To most of the people putting their posts on this topic.
You ignore or forget the point that America is mainly a Christian nation. Yes, in most places in America, Jesus is Lord.

Now, America is also a democracy. The democratic vote counts. And if lots of Americans want the Christian message put up in public places, well, surely, it will be done ?

And if you don't like it, and if you're part of a minority, or you can't be bothered to vote, well, you've simply got to tolerate the rules and laws drafted in democratically.

[tonbridgebrit]

14 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If I may correct you.

 

’Five Christo-Fascists’. 

The Christo-Fascists ?  Yes, they do exist, unfortunately.  But there's also lots of people who believe in Jesus, accept that Jesus is Lord, their Lord and Saviour, and have nothing to do with the Fascists/Far Right.

Edited June 21 by tonbridgebrit

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, tonbridgebrit said:

The Christo-Fascists ?  Yes, they do exist, unfortunately.  But there's also lots of people who believe in Jesus, accept that Jesus is Lord, their Lord and Saviour, and have nothing to do with the Fascists/Far Right.

Nothing to do with public schools. 

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, tonbridgebrit said:

To most of the people putting their posts on this topic.
You ignore or forget the point that America is mainly a Christian nation. Yes, in most places in America, Jesus is Lord.

Now, America is also a democracy. The democratic vote counts. And if lots of Americans want the Christian message put up in public places, well, surely, it will be done ?

And if you don't like it, and if you're part of a minority, or you can't be bothered to vote, well, you've simply got to tolerate the rules and laws drafted in democratically.

Heard of the constitution, Bubba?

[Jingthing]

What a moron!

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

14 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

What is wrong with guidelines for proper ethical and moral direction in living... what guidelines did you learn from when you were trying to grow up into the fine upstanding person that you are today?  where did you get your guidance???

There's nothing wrong with guidelines for proper ethical and moral direction in life. 

 

However that doesn't mean that one specific religion's tenets should should be displayed in state schools (and to the exclusion of all others)  - especially when the US Constitution calls for maintaining a separation between church and state.

 

It's not as if all these ten commandments are the best way to teach moral or ethical values for today's world, anyway. 

 

For instance, what useful moral value does, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image," teach?

 

Or, "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain," or "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy," for that matter? They express religious values, to be sure, but moral or ethical ones?

Edited June 21 by GroveHillWanderer

[riclag]

14 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

What is wrong with guidelines for proper ethical and moral direction in living... what guidelines did you learn from when you were trying to grow up into the fine upstanding person that you are today?  where did you get your guidance???

Your argument is well respected!

And its not rocket science either!

I like those thou pronouns too!

Kinda fits in with the wacky wokies 

 

methinks

[riclag]

11 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Reallly? When did all this happen? Wow, the governor of Louisiana has a really checkered past if all this is true...

 

By the way, the KKK is a relic of history. You could take every KKK member in the US and they wouldn't even fill up a minor league baseball stadium. A spent force, and thank god for it. 

Their making a come back ! Different names , different head & face coverings.

Same narrative though , hate ,violence and terrorism .

[mfd101]

Seen from outside, Usofa looks less and less like a functioning modern democracy.

 

Too many fruitcakes of all varieties, each of them intolerant of all the other varieties.

[tonbridgebrit]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Heard of the constitution, Bubba?

The Constitution ?  America in the late 1700s was built by the Founding Fathers. To suggest that all or most of the Founding Fathers were believers in God, believed in Jesus as Lord, and they accepted the Cross, well, that's putting it lightly.

It's absurd to imply that the Founding Fathers of America wanted to build a new nation on secular (non-God) grounds.  America is a nation built on Europeans leaving Europe, and these people wanted to praise and worship God, they wanted the freedom to praise and worship the actual God they wanted. These people were not allowed to freely carry out their religion/Christianity in Europe, they went to the USA to have their freedom of religion. They did not go to America to get away from God, they went to America in order to get closer to God.




And above, we have a painting of the First Continental Congress at Prayer.
Yes, prayer is of vital importance. It's a vital part of the USA, crucial to the US government, prayers are always said before any US government meeting. Actually, without prayer, there's no US government.  And this applies to the Republicans and the Democrats.

Edited June 21 by tonbridgebrit

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39 minutes ago, tonbridgebrit said:

The Constitution ?  America in the late 1700s was built by the Founding Fathers. To suggest that all or most of the Founding Fathers were believers in God, believed in Jesus as Lord, and they accepted the Cross, well, that's putting it lightly.

It's absurd to imply that the Founding Fathers of America wanted to build a new nation on secular (non-God) grounds.  America is a nation built on Europeans leaving Europe, and these people wanted to praise and worship God, they wanted the freedom to praise and worship the actual God they wanted. These people were not allowed to freely carry out their religion/Christianity in Europe, they went to the USA to have their freedom of religion. They did not go to America to get away from God, they went to America in order to get closer to God.




And above, we have a painting of the First Continental Congress at Prayer.
Yes, prayer is of vital importance. It's a vital part of the USA, crucial to the US government, prayers are always said before any US government meeting. Actually, without prayer, there's no US government.  And this applies to the Republicans and the Democrats.

Do you understand that God is not mentioned once in the Constitution? You think that was due to forgetfulness? James Madison, also known as the Father of the Constitution, was opposed to having chaplains in the Congress. He thought it was unconstitutional. So I expect that he would disagree with your bizarre assertion that " Actually, without prayer, there's no US government. ". The Founding Fathers had seen what horrors resulted in the Old World from mixing religion and government and wanted no part of it.

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One thing that this law exposes is the massive hypocrisy of the right. One of their main objections to any mention of homosexuality and such in the classroom is that it's inappropriate to expose schoolchildren to subjects which could lead to directing attention to sexual matters. . Yet one of the 10 commandments states "Thou shalt not commit adultery" Another says thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, male servant or female servant etc.... 

 

[Jingthing]

The US unlike Iran has no state religion. Public schools which exist to serve students of any or no faith are not churches.

[Neeranam]

The USA was built on Christian values, i think it’s a great idea. The US should not relent to the Muslims, Jews.

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9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The USA was built on Christian values, i think it’s a great idea. The US should not relent to the Muslims, Jews.

What values exactly?

[riclag]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

The USA was built on Christian values, i think it’s a great idea. The US should not relent to the Muslims, Jews.

Jews had the Benjamin’s to help make America  great!

 

When did America become Judeo-Christian?

1940s

Promoting the concept of the United States as a Judeo-Christian nation first became a political program in the 1940s, in response to the growth of anti-Semitism in America. The rise of Nazi anti-semitism in the 1930s led concerned Protestants, Catholics, and Jews to take steps to increase understanding and tolerance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian_ethics#:~:text=Promoting the concept of the,to increase understanding and tolerance.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

The USA was built on Christian values, i think it’s a great idea. The US should not relent to the Muslims, Jews.

It was built on slavery.

[stoner]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

The US unlike Iran has no state religion. Public schools which exist to serve students of any or no faith are not churches.

 

separation of church and state right. 

[Hanaguma]

32 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It was built on slavery.

Bullfeathers. The northern states abolished slavery in 1805, and the importation of slaves soon after.

 

All those slaves working in the factories, right? On the railroads, in the mines.  Nonsense.

 

At the start of the Civil War, just over 10% of the total population was black slaves. And most worked in the south, in agriculture, creating relatively little product compared to free workers.  So enough of the bumper sticker philosophy.

[Roo Island]

A bunch of nut jobs

[Roo Island]

22 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Bullfeathers. The northern states abolished slavery in 1805, and the importation of slaves soon after.

 

All those slaves working in the factories, right? On the railroads, in the mines.  Nonsense.

 

At the start of the Civil War, just over 10% of the total population was black slaves. And most worked in the south, in agriculture, creating relatively little product compared to free workers.  So enough of the bumper sticker philosophy.

Facts evade you...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49476247

 

This month marks 400 years since enslaved Africans were first brought to what is now the United States of America. Slavery was officially abolished in the US in 1865, but historians say the legacy of slavery cannot be untangled from its economic impact.

[Roo Island]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Jews had the Benjamin’s to help make America  great!

 

When did America become Judeo-Christian?

1940s

Promoting the concept of the United States as a Judeo-Christian nation first became a political program in the 1940s, in response to the growth of anti-Semitism in America. The rise of Nazi anti-semitism in the 1930s led concerned Protestants, Catholics, and Jews to take steps to increase understanding and tolerance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian_ethics#:~:text=Promoting the concept of the,to increase understanding and tolerance.

Worst thing to happen to world. Religion

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Jews had the Benjamin’s to help make America  great!

 

When did America become Judeo-Christian?

1940s

Promoting the concept of the United States as a Judeo-Christian nation first became a political program in the 1940s, in response to the growth of anti-Semitism in America. The rise of Nazi anti-semitism in the 1930s led concerned Protestants, Catholics, and Jews to take steps to increase understanding and tolerance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian_ethics#:~:text=Promoting the concept of the,to increase understanding and tolerance.

Couldn't resist leading with an antisemitic trope, huh?

 

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

The Constitution ?  America in the late 1700s was built by the Founding Fathers. To suggest that all or most of the Founding Fathers were believers in God, believed in Jesus as Lord, and they accepted the Cross, well, that's putting it lightly.

It's absurd to imply that the Founding Fathers of America wanted to build a new nation on secular (non-God) grounds.  America is a nation built on Europeans leaving Europe, and these people wanted to praise and worship God, they wanted the freedom to praise and worship the actual God they wanted. These people were not allowed to freely carry out their religion/Christianity in Europe, they went to the USA to have their freedom of religion. They did not go to America to get away from God, they went to America in order to get closer to God.




And above, we have a painting of the First Continental Congress at Prayer.
Yes, prayer is of vital importance. It's a vital part of the USA, crucial to the US government, prayers are always said before any US government meeting. Actually, without prayer, there's no US government.  And this applies to the Republicans and the Democrats.

Yes, the constitution.

Your post was noise. Not about the constitution. 

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, mfd101 said:

Seen from outside, Usofa looks less and less like a functioning modern democracy.

 

Too many fruitcakes of all varieties, each of them intolerant of all the other varieties.

Depends on the state. Louisiana is backwards. Not so United States.

[Jingthing]

5 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

The Christo-Fascists ?  Yes, they do exist, unfortunately.  But there's also lots of people who believe in Jesus, accept that Jesus is Lord, their Lord and Saviour, and have nothing to do with the Fascists/Far Right.

Fine. Not a matter for public schools. 

[Jingthing]

5 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

To most of the people putting their posts on this topic.
You ignore or forget the point that America is mainly a Christian nation. Yes, in most places in America, Jesus is Lord.

Now, America is also a democracy. The democratic vote counts. And if lots of Americans want the Christian message put up in public places, well, surely, it will be done ?

And if you don't like it, and if you're part of a minority, or you can't be bothered to vote, well, you've simply got to tolerate the rules and laws drafted in democratically.

Not if passed laws are unconstitutional.

[TedG]

The courts will strike this down. 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, TedG said:

The courts will strike this down. 

The current corrupted version of SCOTUS likely won't.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

The Christo-Fascists ?  Yes, they do exist, unfortunately.  But there's also lots of people who believe in Jesus, accept that Jesus is Lord, their Lord and Saviour, and have nothing to do with the Fascists/Far Right.

I don’t dispute that for a moment.

 

But Christo-fascists are a thing and they are mobilized for the upcoming election.