JonnyF Posted Wednesday at 09:32 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 09:32 AM 3 minutes ago, RayC said: Rather than compare the UK with only one EU member state over a short time scale, a better comparison would be with the EU bloc or Eurozone since the referendum. On most metrics, the UK has underperformed. I would disagree. Better to compare with economies of similar size. The closest two EU economies are France and Germany and the UK has been outperforming both of those. Of course, if RN are elected France might be gone in a few years in which case the EU would probably collapse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted Wednesday at 09:37 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 09:37 AM 6 hours ago, superal said: Many of my European friends here in Thailand admire Brexit and wish their countries would do the same Unless they are Greek, your friends' views are not representative of their compatriot's. In fact, they are not representative of many people worldwide. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/10/24/people-broadly-view-the-eu-favorably-both-in-member-states-and-elsewhere/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NativeBob Posted Wednesday at 09:40 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 09:40 AM 8 hours ago, JonnyF said: Can't wait to see the EU crumble when France leave under Le Pen. For sure anything is better than "The Queen of Europe" von der Leyen & Co runs their filthy games over it. All hail Frexit ! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted Wednesday at 09:56 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 09:56 AM 7 minutes ago, JonnyF said: I would disagree. Better to compare with economies of similar size. The closest two EU economies are France and Germany and the UK has been outperforming both of those. Of course, if RN are elected France might be gone in a few years in which case the EU would probably collapse. The EU is a Single Market therefore the comparison should be with that entity. In any event, there is little to suggest that being outside the EU has contributed much to the UK's economic growth. If France were to leave the EU would face a major crisis. However, given that National Rally have stated that they will seek to leave and the majority of the French public are overwhelming in favour of remaining a French exit from the EU in the foreseeable future is unlikely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted Wednesday at 10:05 AM Popular Post Share Posted Wednesday at 10:05 AM 28 minutes ago, nong38 said: It is so easy to spot a remainer who still will not accept the result of the Brexit vote. Its history and you really do need to move on, there is no going back. I voted to leave and am glad we did but if we had voted to stay in Europe then I would have accepted that. I travelled the country just before voting day and it was clear to me that it looked like we would be leaving. One of my reasons for leaving was the EU is unaccountable, the people have no say in which way the EU was going, it was decided in Brussels by unelected officials who were all doing ver nicely thank you and trying to turn Europe into one people when in reality it was a collection countries that all had their own customs and cultures and that's the way I wanted it to stay and the direction it was heading was not the way forward I liked the look of. I am sure that there are some on this topic who will not see it that way but that does not make you right. It is so easy to spot a Leaver who buries his head in the sand and will still not accept the evidence presented to him regarding the negative effects of Brexit. Here's a link outlining how the EU actually works https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-does-european-union-work I will ignore your advice and continue to moan about Brexit for as long as I see fit. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted Wednesday at 10:21 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:21 AM (edited) 9 hours ago, JonnyF said: Great article. At last someone has the minerals to say it. Brexit has been a success. We are outperforming the EU's powerhouse Germany, signed many, many trade deals and no longer have to pay the failing federalist project that is the EU for the privilige of being told what to do by them. Well done Boris. Can't wait to see the EU crumble when France leave under Le Pen. Why compare only with the current sick man of Europe? It shows a clear lack of ambition! 😃 https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/ P.S. Sorry to contradict your wet dreams, but the FN/RN has completely dropped the idea of Frexit since 2017, as it found out it was not popular at all. It is also not likely they they will get an absolute majority Sunday. Edited Wednesday at 10:24 AM by candide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n00dle Posted Wednesday at 10:24 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:24 AM 13 hours ago, Social Media said: Brexit has proven to be a significant success. no words 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarius Posted Wednesday at 10:31 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:31 AM MY thoughts exactly. The remoaners predicted massive losses of GDP.....but the EU GDP growth is miserable and similar to major EU countries like Germany. The massive losses of GDP simply didn't happen and staying in the EU would not have helped our GDP growth. Labour so far has been sensible saying no going back. Thank God. Top have our nation run m]by the likes of Ursula, Scholz and Macron. There are no decent leaders in the EU, it is going to tank badly and soon. Ukraine will be the nail in its coffin. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted Wednesday at 11:15 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:15 AM 48 minutes ago, candide said: Why compare only with the current sick man of Europe? It shows a clear lack of ambition! 😃 https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/ P.S. Sorry to contradict your wet dreams, but the FN/RN has completely dropped the idea of Frexit since 2017, as it found out it was not popular at all. It is also not likely they they will get an absolute majority Sunday. 38 minutes ago, retarius said: MY thoughts exactly. The remoaners predicted massive losses of GDP.....but the EU GDP growth is miserable and similar to major EU countries like Germany. The massive losses of GDP simply didn't happen and staying in the EU would not have helped our GDP growth. Labour so far has been sensible saying no going back. Thank God. Top have our nation run m]by the likes of Ursula, Scholz and Macron. There are no decent leaders in the EU, it is going to tank badly and soon. Ukraine will be the nail in its coffin. While I agree that UK fared better (or not as worse) than initially expected, the EU always performed better than UK and other large EU countries had a higher growth than Germany. Data provided in my previous post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted Wednesday at 11:36 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:36 AM 1 hour ago, candide said: Just 3 of those Countries are members of the E.U though . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted Wednesday at 11:54 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:54 AM 18 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Just 3 of those Countries are members of the E.U though . The eurozone is also included in the comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted Wednesday at 11:58 AM Popular Post Share Posted Wednesday at 11:58 AM 2 minutes ago, candide said: The eurozone is also included in the comparison. Yes, I know , I read all the Countries/categories in the caption . Why are you using G7 Countries' data when talking about the E.U ? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted Wednesday at 12:07 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:07 PM 2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Yes, I know , I read all the Countries/categories in the caption . Why are you using G7 Countries' data when talking about the E.U ? Because the distinguished economists appointed by the House of Commons consider It's relevant to compare UK with these countries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoner Posted Wednesday at 12:12 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:12 PM (edited) 8 hours ago, JonnyF said: Desperate stuff desperate times call for desperate measures. right now isn't a great time. disclaimer....still not a trump fan. Edited Wednesday at 12:13 PM by stoner 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted Wednesday at 12:12 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:12 PM 4 minutes ago, candide said: Because the distinguished economists appointed by the House of Commons consider It's relevant to compare UK with these countries. It was you who posted the graphs on this forum and I was asking you why they are relevant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted Wednesday at 12:26 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:26 PM 9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: It was you who posted the graphs on this forum and I was asking you why they are relevant They are quite relevant to illustrate my claim that comparing UK only to the sick man of Europe is a sign of lack of ambition. Are you not tired of splitting hairs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted Wednesday at 12:33 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:33 PM 6 minutes ago, candide said: They are quite relevant to illustrate my claim that comparing UK only to the sick man of Europe is a sign of lack of ambition. Are you not tired of splitting hairs? Why not compare the U.K to all the other 23 E.U Countries , rather than the 7 G7 Countries ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted Wednesday at 01:04 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:04 PM 24 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Why not compare the U.K to all the other 23 E.U Countries , rather than the 7 G7 Countries ? Sorry, I don't have my own economic investigations department so I have to outsource part of my research 😁 I have shown what I needed to illustrate my point. If you want to go on splitting hairs, why don't you do it by yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoner Posted Wednesday at 01:14 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:14 PM 9 minutes ago, candide said: I have shown what I needed to illustrate my point. exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted Wednesday at 01:28 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:28 PM 12 hours ago, JonnyF said: Great article. At last someone has the minerals to say it. Brexit has been a success. We are outperforming the EU's powerhouse Germany, signed many, many trade deals and no longer have to pay the failing federalist project that is the EU for the privilige of being told what to do by them. Well done Boris. Can't wait to see the EU crumble when France leave under Le Pen. Here Here! I like your description of testicular fortitude. God help save centuries of tradition! Cheers mate 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bradiston Posted Wednesday at 01:30 PM Popular Post Share Posted Wednesday at 01:30 PM It was a disaster for the generation who wanted to live and work in Europe and get out of the UK. Sitting in the pilot's seat of a 747 but not knowing how to fly pretty much sums up all the crap about "taking back control" of the UK borders. What absolute rubbish. It's as bad if not worse than before. So what was the point? Just xenophobic "wxgs begin at Calais" mentality. Perhaps if the UK hadn't left, the EU response to Putin wouldn't have been the limp wristed affair it's turned out to be. And import/exports? Any improvement there in the bureaucracy? Cuts in research grants? Basically, just stupid isolationism. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted Wednesday at 01:33 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:33 PM 4 minutes ago, riclag said: Here Here! I like your description of testicular fortitude. God help save centuries of tradition! Cheers mate That would be "Hear hear" in English. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted Wednesday at 01:47 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:47 PM 11 minutes ago, bradiston said: That would be "Hear hear" in English. Blimey ! Thanks for sharing the correct form . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenbrwn1 Posted Wednesday at 02:05 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:05 PM 15 hours ago, goldenbrwn1 said: Cue lots of Brits who don’t even live in the UK to lose their minds…. 🍿 time I need more 🍿 😂….fcs get over it will ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusyB Posted Wednesday at 04:56 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:56 PM 16 hours ago, Red Forever said: Jeez, I struggled through this load of right wing drivel thinking that this load of BS is too much even for the Torygraph. On seeing swivel eyed loon Redwood's name credited I realised that I should scroll to the end of these posts in order to save minutes of my life. Fortunately I scrolled to the end to look after a couple of lines of that mental diarrhoea and so saved myself the rest ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted Wednesday at 05:29 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 05:29 PM 4 hours ago, candide said: Sorry, I don't have my own economic investigations department so I have to outsource part of my research 😁 I have shown what I needed to illustrate my point. If you want to go on splitting hairs, why don't you do it by yourself? So, just to clarify . The UK leaving the E.U hasn't been good for the UKs economy because Japan and Canada have a better economy that the UK ? Bearing in mind that Japan and Canada are not on in the E.U either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted Wednesday at 06:19 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:19 PM 43 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: So, just to clarify . The UK leaving the E.U hasn't been good for the UKs economy because Japan and Canada have a better economy that the UK ? Bearing in mind that Japan and Canada are not on in the E.U either Three main EU countries and the Eurozone allow a relevant European comparison (and much better than comparing only with Germany). The other countries give more perspective. Feel free to ignore them if it disturbs you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted Wednesday at 06:40 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:40 PM 20 minutes ago, candide said: Three main EU countries and the Eurozone allow a relevant European comparison (and much better than comparing only with Germany). The other countries give more perspective. Feel free to ignore them if it disturbs you. Why not use a graph with the 23 E.U Countries ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted Wednesday at 07:09 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:09 PM 24 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Why not use a graph with the 23 E.U Countries ? Because, as I told you, there was no need for me to do it. If you are so obsessed about it, why don't you search by yourself and post such a graph, instead of trolling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted Wednesday at 07:35 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:35 PM 23 minutes ago, candide said: Because, as I told you, there was no need for me to do it. If you are so obsessed about it, why don't you search by yourself and post such a graph, instead of trolling? I know the real reason . If you posted a graph of the 23 E.U Countries, then the UK would be doing quite well , about it the middle nd that would fit your claim of Brexit being failure , so you post the G7 graphs instead hoping that no one would notice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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