Zelensky Challenges Trump on War Plans, Decries Weapons Delays

[Lacessit]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

There's little doubt in my mind Trump will dump Ukraine

 

I have little faith in Europeans' ability to commit to anything hard-power related.

 

On the above I agree, but Trump ending Ukraine war is a good thing IMO. It's a war that should never have happened.

Who on here would like to be a man of conscriptable age in Ukraine right now?

I suspect it would be preferable to being a Russian of conscriptable age,

 

Trump can only end the Ukraine war by giving Putin everything he wants. You'd have to be as thick as two planks not to understand that.

 

Giving Putin everything he wants includes winking at the genocide of Ukrainians. Which doesn't sound like a good thing to most people.

[Mavideol]

23 hours ago, Mavideol said:

he would sell his mother for a buck

ohhhh we do have MAGA brainwashed ones around here  555

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Actually, I am better informed than Putin. I get information from a number of sources. He only gets his from his intelligence apparatus, who are terrified of giving him bad news. It's a feature of all autocrats.

 

Putin's former KGB cadre told him the Ukrainians would welcome the Russians with open arms, and the "special military operation" would take a week. How's that for fantasy information?

 

He's compared himself to Peter the Great, and says the fall of the Soviet Union is the worst thing ever to happen to Russia. Draw your own conclusions.?

hahahahahahahahaha...... can you hear yourself, do you have direct line to the whitehouse?

 

yes, the 'spo' was going to take 2 weeks, if it were just Ukraine it would have been, but it's not is it, US,UK and all of nato,  just dragging on longer than it needed to be. but you're ok with that because you're not there in the firing line

[frank83628]

55 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I suspect it would be preferable to being a Russian of conscriptable age,

 

Trump can only end the Ukraine war by giving Putin everything he wants. You'd have to be as thick as two planks not to understand that.

 

Giving Putin everything he wants includes winking at the genocide of Ukrainians. Which doesn't sound like a good thing to most people.

you understand the word 'negotiation ' right?

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

you understand the word 'negotiation ' right?

I understand there's no negotiation with tyrants.

 

Tell me who negotiated successfully with Xi, Hitler, Stalin, Ivan the Terrible, Genghis Khan and Timurlane for their freedom and autonomy.

 

Of course, Yanks are extremely protective of their personal freedoms. American exceptionalism at work.

[Lacessit]

18 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

hahahahahahahahaha...... can you hear yourself, do you have direct line to the whitehouse?

 

yes, the 'spo' was going to take 2 weeks, if it were just Ukraine it would have been, but it's not is it, US,UK and all of nato,  just dragging on longer than it needed to be. but you're ok with that because you're not there in the firing line

False. Ukraine had SFA help in the first month of the invasion.

 

I don't see you volunteering to fight for Russia either. Although if you feel like supporting Russia, you can always buy Russian rubles to help their economy along. Fair warning, no-one else wants them, not even the Chinese.

 

I don't have a connection to the White House, nor do I need one. The battle field figures tell the story.

 

Russia has lost 6 times more soldiers in two years in Ukraine, than were casualties in 9 years of war in Afghanistan. Over 4000 of its tank fleet are smoking ruins, or have been captured by the Ukrainians.

[Tug]

17 hours ago, Tug said:

Firstly the USA doesent use human wave tactics if it did happen im sure we would just destroy putins war machine sink his navy and indirect all of his supply’s.i have a question for you are you ok with putin withdrawing from all of Ukraine?do you think putin is waging an aggressive war of conquest against his neighbor?do you think putin is a criminal despot?

 

9 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Fine. So how many Americans do YOU think should die to save Ukraine then?

Dodging the question ehh that answers what I’ve suspected for quite some time it’s putins war that’s getting people killed no more no less you obviously cannot denounce that fact I understand……..

[kwonitoy]

13 hours ago, frank83628 said:

but you're got your ear to the ground and are getting better info reading online articles than Putin himself.... ok then!

 

 

is Putin quoted directly saying he want's to restore the Soviet Union?

 

Why is it the most rabid right wing posters are incapable of using google?

Just throw @@it against the wall and see if it sticks, I guess

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/10/putin-compares-himself-to-peter-the-great-in-quest-to-take-back-russian-lands

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Lacessit said:

In any war between NATO or American forces, the Russian military would be obliterated. They would only have nukes left.

Indeed they have nukes. That defeats any military supremacy by the west. Doesn't matter how great the west's military is when any attack on Russia can result in nuclear winter.

 

For those that think the bombs/ missiles themselves are the biggest killer, think again. Most will likely die after from radiation and nuclear winter.

It'll certainly solve global warming though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter

Nuclear winter is a severe and prolonged global climatic cooling effect that is hypothesized[1][2] to occur after widespread firestorms following a large-scale nuclear war.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, kwonitoy said:

 

Why is it the most rabid right wing posters are incapable of using google?

Just throw @@it against the wall and see if it sticks, I guess

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/10/putin-compares-himself-to-peter-the-great-in-quest-to-take-back-russian-lands

Look at the forum rules. It's up to posters to prove their claims, NOT up to those reading them.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Lacessit said:

False. Ukraine had SFA help in the first month of the invasion.

 

I don't see you volunteering to fight for Russia either. Although if you feel like supporting Russia, you can always buy Russian rubles to help their economy along. Fair warning, no-one else wants them, not even the Chinese.

 

I don't have a connection to the White House, nor do I need one. The battle field figures tell the story.

 

Russia has lost 6 times more soldiers in two years in Ukraine, than were casualties in 9 years of war in Afghanistan. Over 4000 of its tank fleet are smoking ruins, or have been captured by the Ukrainians.

We don't need to fight for Russia

a/ because we don't support Russia

b/ because Russia is winning

 

You guys keep banging on about casualty numbers as if they make a difference- they don't, as Russia isn't running out of men.

Lost tanks won't lose the war. The Russians only need to defeat any assault against them now, and that can be done by anti tank weapons. Tanks are more an attack weapon than a defensive one.

 

You can bang that "Ukraine is winning" drum all you like, but it's not as long as Russians are advancing.

[Lacessit]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

We don't need to fight for Russia

a/ because we don't support Russia

b/ because Russia is winning

 

You guys keep banging on about casualty numbers as if they make a difference- they don't, as Russia isn't running out of men.

Lost tanks won't lose the war. The Russians only need to defeat any assault against them now, and that can be done by anti tank weapons. Tanks are more an attack weapon than a defensive one.

 

You can bang that "Ukraine is winning" drum all you like, but it's not as long as Russians are advancing.

Russia is winning?

 

It has failed to achieve air supremacy over Ukraine. The Black Sea navy has been forced to retreat from Sevastapol to Novorossiysk to stay out of reach of precision missiles. In other words, it has lost control of the Black Sea to a nation with no navy.

 

Due to widespread corruption in the military, soldiers in the frontline are getting North Korean ammunition well past its use by date, flak jackets made from cardboard, and out-of-date food rations. Plus about two days of training before they are thrown into the meat grinder.

 

Russia is drawing its troops from prisoners and ethnic minorities, and it is running out of both. The sh!t will really hit the fan when Putin has to draft people from Moscow and St. Petersburg, which he has been studiously avoiding.

 

Its economy is in tatters. Half of its passenger aircraft are being cannibalized to service the other half. Buy a plane ticket from Moscow to Vladivostok if you want to play the new version of Russian Roulette. The European gas market is gone forever. An interest rate of 15% says everything about the valuation of the ruble. Russian oil wells in the permafrost are freezing up because the Western technologists who maintained them are gone. As is all Western capital normally used to fund new development.

 

I don't believe I have said "Ukraine is winning". I have said I support Ukraine against illegal aggression.

 

Along with other economic problems too extensive to mention, all these facts indicate Russia is heading towards being a failed state, or a vassal of China.

 

I take it you have heard the term "Pyrrhic victory". Whatever happens in Ukraine, Russia is rooted.

[candide]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Look at the forum rules. It's up to posters to prove their claims, NOT up to those reading them.

Says the one who never posts links! 😆

[rice555]

On 7/6/2024 at 1:35 PM, Lacessit said:

False. Ukraine had SFA help in the first month of the invasion.

 

I don't see you volunteering to fight for Russia either. Although if you feel like supporting Russia, you can always buy Russian rubles to help their economy along. Fair warning, no-one else wants them, not even the Chinese.

 

I don't have a connection to the White House, nor do I need one. The battle field figures tell the story.

 

Russia has lost 6 times more soldiers in two years in Ukraine, than were casualties in 9 years of war in Afghanistan. Over 4000 of its tank fleet are smoking ruins, or have been captured by the Ukrainians.

1 or 2 days back, the actor in green said in one of his news release that Ukraine casualty 

rate was 5 to 1 Russian.

 

[rice555]

1 hour ago, rice555 said:

1 or 2 days back, the actor in green said in one of his news release that Ukraine casualty 

rate was 5 to 1 Russian.

 

My bad, it was the little man in green that said 5 Russian to 1 Ukraine causality.

Was in the Philadelphia Inquirer.

 

  

[rice555]

On 7/6/2024 at 9:31 AM, billd766 said:

Or worse still, who on here would like to be a man of conscriptable age in Russia right now?

You haven't seen the VDO's of the press gangs taking people off the streets in Ukraine?

How many Ukraine men are hiding in EU?

Why were mine fields laid close to the Romanian Boarder in Ukraine?

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I take it you have heard the term "Pyrrhic victory". Whatever happens in Ukraine, Russia is rooted.

Everything ends, eventually. So we'll see if I'm right or wrong after the fat lady sings.

 

I base my opinion on Russia winning as I don't believe western populations will accept paying taxes for bullets too much longer. I also expect Trump to win and put an end to American support.

 

Without foreign support the country that is "rooted" is Ukraine.

 

BTW, Russia has oil and natural gas and loads of natural resources, so it will survive.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, rice555 said:

My bad, it was the little man in green that said 5 Russian to 1 Ukraine causality.

Was in the Philadelphia Inquirer.

 

  

What else would the actor pretending to be a military man say? Winston Churchill didn't need to pretend to be a general- but he was a statesman.

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Everything ends, eventually. So we'll see if I'm right or wrong after the fat lady sings.

 

I base my opinion on Russia winning as I don't believe western populations will accept paying taxes for bullets too much longer. I also expect Trump to win and put an end to American support.

 

Without foreign support the country that is "rooted" is Ukraine.

 

BTW, Russia has oil and natural gas and loads of natural resources, so it will survive.

True, Russia is richly endowed with natural resources. The problem is getting them out of the ground, transporting them, then selling them.

 

The Soviet education system collapsed back in 1985. The trained scientists and engineers it has are all in their mid-sixties. That's not helped by the average Russian life expectancy being less than 70. The Russian demographic is shrinking, badly.

 

The European gas market is gone. It won't come back unless there is a revolution in Russia. Meantime, building pipelines to India and China will take 7-10 years, with capital Russia does not have. If it was to switch to LNG, it would have to build from scratch, with engineers and expertise Russia does not have.

 

The same thing with oil. Russia can only ship oil in small ageing vessels which the Western insurers refuse to cover. At a price $20 under the world price. I've already explained how dependent the oil wells are on Western technology.

 

Any student of history understands the economy of the United States was nearly broken by the war in Vietnam, and that's a country with 11 times the GDP of Russia.

 

Russia MAY win the war in Ukraine, but at what cost?

 

To borrow Bill Hayden's quote, a drover's dog could win against Trump. He's a convicted felon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What else would the actor pretending to be a military man say? Winston Churchill didn't need to pretend to be a general- but he was a statesman.

Putin can hardly be called a statesman after being designated a war criminal, rightly so.

 

IIRC America elected an actor too, Ronald Reagan ring any bells? He sowed the seeds of the downfall of the Soviet Union, Zelensky could cause the collapse of the Russian Federation.

 

You seem to think the Russian Federation is one big happy family. Georgia, Dagestan, North Caucasus and Chechnya prove otherwise.

[frank83628]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

BTW, Russia has oil and natural gas and loads of natural resources, so it will survive.

they used to Supply gas Eu, but the yanks blew up the NORD pipelines so they could muscle in with their LNG, and is the reason the EU energy costs have risen.

 

news coverage of that act of international terrorism by the USA fell off the radar pretty quickly too!

[placeholder]

27 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

they used to Supply gas Eu, but the yanks blew up the NORD pipelines so they could muscle in with their LNG, and is the reason the EU energy costs have risen.

 

news coverage of that act of international terrorism by the USA fell off the radar pretty quickly too!

Whether or not the gas pipelines were blown up, they already were non-functional. Nord Stream 2 never entered into service. Gazrpom shut down Nordstream 1 for repairs "indefinitelu".

Putin thought he could make the Europeans knuckle under by cutting off the gas supply. His gambit failed and Russia became its victim instead.

Nord Stream 1: Russia switches off gas pipeline citing maintenance

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/31/nord-stream-1-russia-switches-off-gas-pipeline-citing-maintenance

[Eric Loh]

49 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

they used to Supply gas Eu, but the yanks blew up the NORD pipelines so they could muscle in with their LNG, and is the reason the EU energy costs have risen.

 

news coverage of that act of international terrorism by the USA fell off the radar pretty quickly too!

So US is energy dominant in oil and gas under Biden. 

[Tug]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What else would the actor pretending to be a military man say? Winston Churchill didn't need to pretend to be a general- but he was a statesman.

With all due respect Winston Churchill was a combat veteran and pow who escaped and evaded re capture and possible execution at the hands of the boers he was lord of the admiralty hope that fills some your ignorance about mr Churchill.as far as Mr zilinskey is concerned you are not worth one drop of sweat off his brow he is a man locked in mortal danger with a larger foe trying to save his country’s existence……im going to stop there on account of forum rules but I think you catch my drift 

[billd766]

On 7/7/2024 at 12:08 AM, kwonitoy said:

 

Why is it the most rabid right wing posters are incapable of using google?

Just throw @@it against the wall and see if it sticks, I guess

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/10/putin-compares-himself-to-peter-the-great-in-quest-to-take-back-russian-lands

I don't think that they are incapable, as much as some of the answers that are returned from the internet are not the answers that they want, and don't fit their theories.

[billd766]

On 7/7/2024 at 4:17 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed they have nukes. That defeats any military supremacy by the west. Doesn't matter how great the west's military is when any attack on Russia can result in nuclear winter.

 

For those that think the bombs/ missiles themselves are the biggest killer, think again. Most will likely die after from radiation and nuclear winter.

It'll certainly solve global warming though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter

Nuclear winter is a severe and prolonged global climatic cooling effect that is hypothesized[1][2] to occur after widespread firestorms following a large-scale nuclear war.

Not to mention the lack of food production and nuclear contaminated water supplies and radiation covering the surface of the land. There would be no food production as the majority of farmers would be dead, no fuel or electricity to plough the land, no factories or workers to convert raw materials into anything, no cars, trucks or roads and few people left alive to drive them anyway,

 

No radio, TV or internet either. No hospitals. No tankers to bring oil into the country.

 

How long could people live in deep bunkers without seeing the outside  world? Who in their right right mind would even want to survive in a world like that.

 

That would be the worst case scenario.

 

Of course some places would remain untouched, but only for a while until anarchy takes over and the weak are overrun by the strong.

 

There was a film a long time ago called "On the Beach" with a similar scenario. I have watched it several times and enjoyed the film, which was in fact based on a 1957 book of the same name written by Nevil Shute.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach_(1959_film)

[frank83628]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Whether or not the gas pipelines were blown up, they already were non-functional. Nord Stream 2 never entered into service. Gazrpom shut down Nordstream 1 for repairs "indefinitelu".

Putin thought he could make the Europeans knuckle under by cutting off the gas supply. His gambit failed and Russia became its victim instead.

Nord Stream 1: Russia switches off gas pipeline citing maintenance

https://www.theguardian.com/business/202

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Whether or not the gas pipelines were blown up, they already were non-functional. Nord Stream 2 never entered into service. Gazrpom shut down Nordstream 1 for repairs "indefinitelu".

Putin thought he could make the Europeans knuckle under by cutting off the gas supply. His gambit failed and Russia became its victim instead.

Nord Stream 1: Russia switches off gas pipeline citing maintenance

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/31/nord-stream-1-russia-switches-off-gas-pipeline-citing-maintenance

2/aug/31/nord-stream-1-russia-switches-off-gas-pipeline-citing-maintenance

they just exploded by themselves i guess. nothing done about an act of international terrorism done by the USA. imagine if that had been done by and 'enemy' country!!

[frank83628]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

So US is energy dominant in oil and gas under Biden. 

by sabotaging the opposition... mafia like tractics!

[Eric Loh]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

by sabotaging the opposition... mafia like tractics!

So Trump is wrong saying US is not energy dominant and need to drill drill drill 😊

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, frank83628 said:

they used to Supply gas Eu, but the yanks blew up the NORD pipelines so they could muscle in with their LNG, and is the reason the EU energy costs have risen.

 

news coverage of that act of international terrorism by the USA fell off the radar pretty quickly too!

I suggest you post proof of that assertion.

 

A more likely scenario is Gazprom itself blew up the pipeline after Putin banned exports of gas to so-called unfriendly countries. Gazprom was facing billions of dollars of penalties in breach of contract. With the pipeline gone, it became force majeure, under which no penalties applied.

Most contracts are written in US dollars, how many do you think Russia has after being shut out of the world financial system?