JD Vance, Israel should win and end the war in Gaza “as quickly as possible.”

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Ohio Senator JD Vance, newly nominated as the Republican party’s vice-presidential candidate, has sharply criticized President Joe Biden’s handling of the Israel-Hamas conflict. Vance, known for his populist views and recent shift to a pro-Trump stance, accused Biden of prolonging the war and obstructing efforts to strengthen ties between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

 

Speaking to Fox News, Vance argued that Israel should swiftly conclude its war in Gaza to enable a coalition of Israel and Sunni Arab states to counter Iran. He expressed concern that Biden’s policies are hampering Israel’s ability to defeat Hamas and are delaying the potential for peace in the region. "What Biden has done is the worst of all possible worlds," Vance said. "He has prolonged the war, Israel’s war to actually take out Hamas, but in the process, he’s made it harder for us to really move towards a sustainable peace."

 

Vance outlined two main objectives: ending the war quickly and reinvigorating the peace process involving Israel and key Arab states. "Number one is, you want to get this war over and as quickly as possible, because the longer it goes on the harder [Israel’s] situation becomes. But second, after the war, you want to reinvigorate that peace process between Israel, Saudi Arabia, the Jordanians and so forth," he said.

 

The senator emphasized the importance of the Abraham Accords, agreements brokered during Trump’s presidency that normalized relations between Israel and several Arab nations. Vance suggested that Biden’s lack of action has stalled progress made by these accords. "Maybe the most important diplomatic issue of the Trump administration was the Abraham Accords," Vance said. "The Abraham Accords showed real promise of uniting the Israelis with some of the Sunni Arab states. You’ve got to enable the Israelis and the Sunni Arab states to work together and actually provide a counterbalance to Iran."

 

Vance criticized Biden for not utilizing the existing infrastructure to weaken Iran and support Israel. He contrasted this with Trump’s decisive actions, such as the assassination of Qassem Soleimani, commander of Iran’s elite Quds Force, which he claimed brought peace rather than escalating conflict. "Joe Biden’s done nothing. You have the infrastructure there, sitting there, to weaken Iran, to strengthen our ally Israel. Joe Biden’s done nothing with it, Donald Trump would reinvigorate it," Vance asserted.

 

The vice-presidential candidate also took issue with Biden’s approach to energy policy, arguing that American energy independence could weaken adversaries like Iran and Russia. "We’re sitting on the Saudi Arabia of natural gas in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Joe Biden would rather buy this stuff from Iran than buy it from Pennsylvania workers," Vance claimed, although the US does not buy oil from Iran due to sanctions.

 

Vance reiterated his stance against further US support for Ukraine in its conflict with Russia, aligning with Trump’s “America First” policy. He suggested that the US should focus on negotiating a resolution to the Ukraine conflict to better address the threat from China. "I think what President Trump has promised to do is to go in there, negotiate with the Russians and the Ukrainians, bring this thing to a rapid close so that America can focus on the real issue, which is China. That’s the biggest threat to our country and we’re completely distracted from it," Vance said.

 

Despite his isolationist views on Ukraine, Vance underscored the strategic importance of the US-Israel alliance, particularly in defense. He highlighted Israel’s technological advancements and contributions to US missile defense systems as vital to American national security. "Israel is one of the most dynamic, certainly on a per capita basis, one of the most dynamic and technologically advanced countries in the world," Vance stated, noting the importance of maintaining missile-defense parity through cooperation with Israel. "That’s a very important national security objective of the United States of America, and that’s something we’re working with one of the most innovative economies in the world to accomplish," he concluded.

 

Vance’s comments come as he and former President Trump prepare for the upcoming election, with Vance’s nomination seen as solidifying Trump’s influence over the Republican party. As the election approaches, Vance’s positions on foreign policy and energy independence are likely to play a significant role in shaping the party’s platform and appeal to voters.

 

Credit: TOI 2024-07-18

 

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[Tug]

Is Vance advocating for war with Iran?that wouldn’t go over so good in the Middle East then abandoning Ukraine and soon after nato I suspect oh well guess old trump knew enough to outsmart all the world leaders who put nato together after ww2 in 2 minutes humm?

[Presto]

Win the war with Hamas? That guy is delusional. On the other hand, he probably meant destroy everything in Gaza including all Palestinians.

[newbee2022]

9 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

Ohio Senator JD Vance, newly nominated as the Republican party’s vice-presidential candidate, has sharply criticized President Joe Biden’s handling of the Israel-Hamas conflict. Vance, known for his populist views and recent shift to a pro-Trump stance, accused Biden of prolonging the war and obstructing efforts to strengthen ties between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

 

Speaking to Fox News, Vance argued that Israel should swiftly conclude its war in Gaza to enable a coalition of Israel and Sunni Arab states to counter Iran. He expressed concern that Biden’s policies are hampering Israel’s ability to defeat Hamas and are delaying the potential for peace in the region. "What Biden has done is the worst of all possible worlds," Vance said. "He has prolonged the war, Israel’s war to actually take out Hamas, but in the process, he’s made it harder for us to really move towards a sustainable peace."

 

Vance outlined two main objectives: ending the war quickly and reinvigorating the peace process involving Israel and key Arab states. "Number one is, you want to get this war over and as quickly as possible, because the longer it goes on the harder [Israel’s] situation becomes. But second, after the war, you want to reinvigorate that peace process between Israel, Saudi Arabia, the Jordanians and so forth," he said.

 

The senator emphasized the importance of the Abraham Accords, agreements brokered during Trump’s presidency that normalized relations between Israel and several Arab nations. Vance suggested that Biden’s lack of action has stalled progress made by these accords. "Maybe the most important diplomatic issue of the Trump administration was the Abraham Accords," Vance said. "The Abraham Accords showed real promise of uniting the Israelis with some of the Sunni Arab states. You’ve got to enable the Israelis and the Sunni Arab states to work together and actually provide a counterbalance to Iran."

 

Vance criticized Biden for not utilizing the existing infrastructure to weaken Iran and support Israel. He contrasted this with Trump’s decisive actions, such as the assassination of Qassem Soleimani, commander of Iran’s elite Quds Force, which he claimed brought peace rather than escalating conflict. "Joe Biden’s done nothing. You have the infrastructure there, sitting there, to weaken Iran, to strengthen our ally Israel. Joe Biden’s done nothing with it, Donald Trump would reinvigorate it," Vance asserted.

 

The vice-presidential candidate also took issue with Biden’s approach to energy policy, arguing that American energy independence could weaken adversaries like Iran and Russia. "We’re sitting on the Saudi Arabia of natural gas in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Joe Biden would rather buy this stuff from Iran than buy it from Pennsylvania workers," Vance claimed, although the US does not buy oil from Iran due to sanctions.

 

Vance reiterated his stance against further US support for Ukraine in its conflict with Russia, aligning with Trump’s “America First” policy. He suggested that the US should focus on negotiating a resolution to the Ukraine conflict to better address the threat from China. "I think what President Trump has promised to do is to go in there, negotiate with the Russians and the Ukrainians, bring this thing to a rapid close so that America can focus on the real issue, which is China. That’s the biggest threat to our country and we’re completely distracted from it," Vance said.

 

Despite his isolationist views on Ukraine, Vance underscored the strategic importance of the US-Israel alliance, particularly in defense. He highlighted Israel’s technological advancements and contributions to US missile defense systems as vital to American national security. "Israel is one of the most dynamic, certainly on a per capita basis, one of the most dynamic and technologically advanced countries in the world," Vance stated, noting the importance of maintaining missile-defense parity through cooperation with Israel. "That’s a very important national security objective of the United States of America, and that’s something we’re working with one of the most innovative economies in the world to accomplish," he concluded.

 

Vance’s comments come as he and former President Trump prepare for the upcoming election, with Vance’s nomination seen as solidifying Trump’s influence over the Republican party. As the election approaches, Vance’s positions on foreign policy and energy independence are likely to play a significant role in shaping the party’s platform and appeal to voters.

 

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What does it mean "winning the war"?

Killing ALL Palestinians??

I see another idiot coming!🥴

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

What does it mean "winning the war"?

Killing ALL Palestinians??

I see another idiot coming!🥴

We will see how this goes, it will be interesting to see how they going to pressure the axe of evil in to the arms of each other, and let Putin have his new borders. 

 

A key player will be Saudia Arabia if they find reasons to make up with Iran through Russia and China. They where willing to ease off with Israel before the war, but what about now ? 

Edited July 18 by Hummin

[BigStar]

7 hours ago, Tug said:

Is Vance advocating for war with Iran?

 

No. One reason Trump chose Vance is that he isn't a warmonger, unlike, say, Burgum and Nikki Haley.

 

Besides, Obama and Biden have shoved enough money at Iran to become much stronger, financing all those proxies, and now is close to having a nuke, if tt doesn't already have one. 

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, BigStar said:

 

No. One reason Trump chose Vance is that he isn't a warmonger, unlike, say, Burgum and Nikki Haley.

 

Besides, Obama and Biden have shoved enough money at Iran to become much stronger, financing all those proxies, and now is close to having a nuke, if tt doesn't already have one. 

When will they realize it is the wars that keeps Usa busy and open up markeds and gives them resources. Pulling back and out, will make Usa loose terretories, and if they think they can share resources and make trade with russia, North Korea, go ahead and see how it goes, especially now when China and Russia manage to team up well together, and have a long term economic plan for future how to brake down Us slowly by inviting more countries in their economic union and new trade deals opening up for prosperous future for those who is willing to cooperate against the west. 

 

Empires do not last without wars, but the bigger they get, the weaker they get at one point, and maybe that point is already reached? 

 

There is many weak partners inside now, who at some point will turn against us. The Bulgarian president is one, Erdogan, Saudi, several South American countries like Brasil, India is fed up with the west, and Africa in General as middle east. 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

No. One reason Trump chose Vance is that he isn't a warmonger, unlike, say, Burgum and Nikki Haley.

 

Besides, Obama and Biden have shoved enough money at Iran to become much stronger, financing all those proxies, and now is close to having a nuke, if tt doesn't already have one. 

I expect Trump chose Vance because he’d runout the clock and was forced to pick anyone.

 

The ‘Trump Campaign’ didn’t even have ‘Trump/Vance’ placards printed for the RNC.

 

 

[Eric Loh]

Obviously a foreign policy newbie and already pissed of the young progressive voters with his careless statements. He probably will lose the women voters with his abortion stance.  Peter Theil heavy hand to have Vance appointed as Trump’s running mate will light up Dems misery last few weeks. 

[BigStar]

34 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I expect Trump chose Vance because he’d runout the clock and was forced to pick anyone.

 

No. And Vance isn't anyone, but the best of the candidates.

 

35 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The ‘Trump Campaign’ didn’t even have ‘Trump/Vance’ placards printed for the RNC.

 

And didn't need any. Trump kept his decision secret to unveil at the best moment for optimum dramatic effect. Worked, of course. Besides, by not announcing early, he could keep his options open in case some game changer arose. Didn't.

 

It's all very simple, really, and should be obvious.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, BigStar said:

 

No. And Vance isn't anyone, but the best of the candidates.

 

 

And didn't need any. Trump kept his decision secret to unveil at the best moment for optimum dramatic effect. Worked, of course. Besides, by not announcing early, he could keep his options open in case some game changer arose. Didn't.

 

It's all very simple, really, and should be obvious.

 

 

 

 

Well those are the claims.

 

Meanwhile Vance has been doing his best to scrub up his past social media history.

 

A ‘best candidate’ that couldn’t even figure out he might have to do so, let alone had the smarts not to have posted the ‘embarrassing’ stuff in the first place.

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Empires do not last without wars, but the bigger they get, the weaker they get at one point, and maybe that point is already reached? 

 

Perpetual warfare is the creation of the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned about. The wars have all been wasteful. Regimes don't last because of warfare per se but merely because of its domestic political use. Sometimes the warfare is actually a political fiction, as Orwell exploited in 1984.

 

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

There is many weak partners inside now, who at some point will turn against us. The Bulgarian president is one, Erdogan, Saudi, several South American countries like Brasil, India is fed up with the west, and Africa in General as middle east. 

 

They weren't being weak until all of Biden's missteps.

 

 

 

Edited July 18 by BigStar

[BigStar]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Well those are the claims.

 

Meanwhile Vance has been doing his best to scrub up his past social media history.

 

A ‘best candidate’ that couldn’t even figure out he might have to do so, let alone had the smarts not to have posted the ‘embarrassing’ stuff in the first place.

 

Yawn. Just more blabber. Vance gave a good speech at the RNC. I assume you watched so that you'd know something more about him than what the fake news blows your way.

[Hummin]

15 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Perpetual warfare is the creation of the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned about. They wars have all been wasteful. Regimes don't last because of warfare per se but merely because of its domestic political use. Sometimes the warfare is actually a political fiction, as Orwell exploited in 1984.

 

 

They weren't being weak until all of Biden's missteps.

 

 

 

Well, before that it was Obama, Clinton, Carter, and so on, you name it. Never George Bush and his Hawks, or any other Republicans. Each and one president heritage the previous delayed problems and mess. 

 

What is the real situation, have America grown out of proportion? and collapsing because of greed,  outsourcing technology and work spaces, as well demonizing opponents creating monsters?

Edited July 18 by Hummin

[BigStar]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Well, before that it was Obama, Clinton, Carter, and so on, you name it. Never George Bush and his Hawks, or any other Republicans and each and one president heritage the previous delayed problems and mess.

 

Wrong. Bush's warfare is widely seen for the debacle it was.

 

Trump hits Bush: Invading Iraq ‘the single worst decision ever made’

 

Republicans used to be a bit more anti-war, though never peaceniks. Nixon got us out of Vietnam, for example. Still plenty of Repub hawks paid off by lobbyists for the defense industry, of course. Lindsey Graham, disgusting. But the Dems have become more the party of warfare now. Doing great in Ukraine.🙂 We HAD peace in the Mildde East.

 

12 minutes ago, Hummin said:

is America have grown out of proportion and collapsing because of greed and outsourcing technology and work spaces, as well demonizing opponents creating monsters. 

 

Sapped by warfare, the welfare state, leftist subversion of the educational system and creation of an anti-business environment, so curtailing the creation of real wealth--all financed by borrowing, with predictable banana republic results.

 

[spidermike007]

This guy either appears to be very ignorant or delusional if he thinks winning the war with Hamas, and all the other factions in that region is that simple, and there would be no threat of blowback of any sort. He reminds me a bit of the neocon political simpletons. 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

This guy either appears to be very ignorant or delusional if he thinks winning the war with Hamas, and all the other factions in that region is that simple, 

 

   He just said that Israel needs to win and end the war with Hamas in Gaza , all the other anti Israel factions were not mentioned .

   Hezbollah can be dealt with at a later date 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   He just said that Israel needs to win and end the war with Hamas in Gaza , all the other anti Israel factions were not mentioned .

   Hezbollah can be dealt with at a later date 

How do you suggest they accomplish that goal, and what would they do that Biden has not done? To many of us, it appears that Biden has been very obedient and behaving like Israel's lapdog already. And Israel has been quite aggressive. 

[mogandave]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I expect Trump chose Vance because he’d runout the clock and was forced to pick anyone.

 

The ‘Trump Campaign’ didn’t even have ‘Trump/Vance’ placards printed for the RNC.

 

 

And the Biden campaign doesn’t even know who’ll be on the top of their ticket yet. 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

How do you suggest they accomplish that goal, and what would they do that Biden has not done? To many of us, it appears that Biden has been very obedient and behaving like Israel's lapdog already. And Israel has been quite aggressive. 

 

   Israel would need to fully go into Gaza and release all the hostages and kill all of Hamas , yes there will be many civilian casualties , but that needs to happen to end this war .

   Biden has stopped Israel going fully into Gaza and wiping Hamas out , things will be different if Trump gets back into power 

[simple1]

11 hours ago, Tug said:

Is Vance advocating for war with Iran?that wouldn’t go over so good in the Middle East then abandoning Ukraine and soon after nato I suspect oh well guess old trump knew enough to outsmart all the world leaders who put nato together after ww2 in 2 minutes humm?

 

After reading the OP I wonder if Vance understands Hamas is Sunni as are approx 90% of Gaza's population.

[thaipo7]

18 hours ago, Tug said:

Is Vance advocating for war with Iran?that wouldn’t go over so good in the Middle East then abandoning Ukraine and soon after nato I suspect oh well guess old trump knew enough to outsmart all the world leaders who put nato together after ww2 in 2 minutes humm?

In case you don't know it, we are in a war with Iran through their proxies right now.  Trump had them in a box where they could cause little harm.  Their cash reserves were down to $4 billion.  Then your Dear Leader get in and removed the sanctions.  In addition, gave Iran billions of dollars, and lifted restrictions on selling oil.  Now they are sitting on $200 Billion.  WTF.  Ever here of Peace Through Strength?  The world sees a week ass leader, who has caused wars to break out all over.  Then the dumb ass is holding back on munitions that Israel has bought and paid for.  82% of the people of Israel want nothing to do with Hamas and giving up 30% of their land mass.  Use your head and quit being an appeaser and rewarding our enemies.  You looking forward for Iran to get the nuclear bomb because of Dear Leader and threaten us with it?  Israel is a staunch ally in a bad area.  Let them wipe out Hamas and arm them to where they can take out Iran's nuclear capability.  Quit being the useful idiot that you are.  You missed the part where Biden said he put NATO together when he was 6 years old?  Get rid of your Pravda news sources and find somewhere where you can get the truth.  

[theblether]

7 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

After reading the OP I wonder if Vance understands Hamas is Sunni as are approx 90% of Gaza's population.

 

What's the relevance of this drivel? Almost 90% of Muslims worldwide are Sunni. To be Sunni does not infer support for Hamas. And that includes the Gazan Sunnis who are sick of them.

[Nick Carter icp]

19 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

What's the relevance of this drivel? Almost 90% of Muslims worldwide are Sunni. To be Sunni does not infer support for Hamas. And that includes the Gazan Sunnis who are sick of them.

 

   Muslims would support Palestinians over Israel , whatever their sect 

[Skipalongcassidy]

2 hours ago, thaipo7 said:

In case you don't know it, we are in a war with Iran through their proxies right now.  Trump had them in a box where they could cause little harm.  Their cash reserves were down to $4 billion.  Then your Dear Leader get in and removed the sanctions.  In addition, gave Iran billions of dollars, and lifted restrictions on selling oil.  Now they are sitting on $200 Billion.  WTF.  Ever here of Peace Through Strength?  The world sees a week ass leader, who has caused wars to break out all over.  Then the dumb ass is holding back on munitions that Israel has bought and paid for.  82% of the people of Israel want nothing to do with Hamas and giving up 30% of their land mass.  Use your head and quit being an appeaser and rewarding our enemies.  You looking forward for Iran to get the nuclear bomb because of Dear Leader and threaten us with it?  Israel is a staunch ally in a bad area.  Let them wipe out Hamas and arm them to where they can take out Iran's nuclear capability.  Quit being the useful idiot that you are.  You missed the part where Biden said he put NATO together when he was 6 years old?  Get rid of your Pravda news sources and find somewhere where you can get the truth.  

Tug believes every word that joe speaks... expect nothing else from an uneducated indoctrinated hater.

[Jingthing]

Vance doesn't know diddly squat about foreign relations except to have lgnorant opinions such as not caring what happens to Ukraine.

[theblether]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Muslims would support Palestinians over Israel , whatever their sect 

 

Ya think? Prove it - as every single signal sent out by the Gulf states has been they want nothing to do with Gaza. Feel free to point out the vast Palestinian refugee camps in the Gulf to support your argument. And have a look at the Abraham Accords where Muslim states recognised Israel and abandoned their historical support for Gaza. 

 

I find it amazing that people who purport to be knowledgeable on this topic don't understand the anti-Palestinian vibe in the Middle East. Here's a question for ya'll - 

 

Why do you think the Gulf States turned against the Palestinians? The answer is obvious. 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

Ya think? Prove it - as every single signal sent out by the Gulf states has been they want nothing to do with Gaza. Feel free to point out the vast Palestinian refugee camps in the Gulf to support your argument. And have a look at the Abraham Accords where Muslim states recognised Israel and abandoned their historical support for Gaza. 

 

I find it amazing that people who purport to be knowledgeable on this topic don't understand the anti-Palestinian vibe in the Middle East. Here's a question for ya'll - 

 

Why do you think the Gulf States turned against the Palestinians? The answer is obvious. 

Look at how they're treated in Lebanon.

Its not the Israelis keeping them in "refugee" ghettos for multiple generations.

It's the Lebanese.

Palestinian state? Jordan.

[theblether]

 

Read this despicable propaganda carried by Time magazine. Here, an American lawyer argues that the Abraham Accords should be abandoned because they caused October 7. You need to be really twisted to pursue that logic. 

 

https://time.com/6339889/cancel-abraham-accords/ 

Edited July 18 by theblether

[theblether]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Look at how they're treated in Lebanon.

Its not the Israelis keeping them in "refugee" ghettos for multiple generations.

It's the Lebanese.

Palestinian state? Jordan.

 

Far, far worse. Far worse. 

 

How about the Gulf States were severely p*ssed off that Yarafat's PLO sided with Hussein and participated in the looting and war crimes perpetrated during the Kuwait invasion? 

 

I'm absolutely staggered that people don't know about this. It caused what is known as the Palestinian Exodus from Kuwait and soured relationships with Saudi Arabia and others. SA in particular was effed off that they were tackling Iraqi tank invasions knowing that the PLO were running amok under the cover of Saddam's protection. 

 

And here we have people saying "Muslim states will side with Palestinians over Israel." Do ya'll think the Gulf States are stupid and that they will run to protect those traitorous backstabbing weasels???