Trump's pick of JD Vance a hopefully fatal mistake for his maga fascist movement

[watthong]

On 7/26/2024 at 8:52 PM, Yellowtail said:

Half the country are MAGA fascists, how funny is that? 

 

Again, but as usual ie true to MAGA form, you're over-estimating your own kind. No, the majority of MAGA cult are not fascists. They, like you, tend to dress funny, and, like you, ready to regurgitate any nonsense that Trump has managed to pump into their empty skull. There they don't have enough room to hold any ideology, let alone fascism, having drunk Trump kool-aid they have given up their critical thinking  and simply do what he told them to do ("But my prez told me to storm the Capitol, I did nothig wrong!") In short, Trump promised you greater power on the condition that you subsumed yours to his. JD - recently downgraded down to PC (as in "Please clap") - Vance is the latest Hillbilly numbnut sucked into Trump orbit. (But oh there're some many of them, just don't call them all fascists.)

 

Talking of Vance, the fly in Trump's ointment, masquerading as the fly in Pence hair, was Pence refusal to Trump wish of annuling the electors votes, and for that he wanted him hanged in 2021. Project 2025 is Trump brainchild, put forth by his clique of "washed-up has-been wannabes" sycophants, out of the White House and/or out of jail, to make sure that there won't be another Pence in any corner of any federal and state buildings next time. "If at first you didn't succeed..." - who said that btw?

Edited July 29 by watthong

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Project 2025 aims to reverse civil rights protections for minorities.

 

Project 2025 aims to cut Social Security and Medicare.

 

One of the current leftist lies. Trump has nothing to with 2025 and has said so. Some of it flatly contradicts his positions.

 

Trump's agenda is the Republican Party platform he helped write and approve. That's what he's being elected to try to do, and so he intends to try. 

 

Here it is for you again.

1.    Seal the border, and stop the migrant invasion
2.    Carry out the largest deportation operation in American history
3.    End inflation, and make America affordable again
4.    Make America the dominant energy producer in the world, by far!
5.    Stop outsourcing, and turn the United States into a manufacturing superpower
6.    Large tax cuts for workers, and no tax on tips!
7.    Defend our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and our fundamental freedoms, including freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to keep and bear arms
8.    Prevent World War Three, restore peace in Europe and in the Middle East, and build a great iron dome missile defense shield over our entire country -- all made in America
9.    End the weaponization of government against the American people
10.    Stop the migrant crime epidemic, demolish the foreign drug cartels, crush gang violence, and lock up violent offenders
11.    Rebuild our cities, including Washington DC, making them safe, clean, and beautiful again.
12.    Strengthen and modernize our military, making it, without question, the strongest and most powerful in the world
13.    Keep the US dollar as the world's reserve currency
14.    Fight for and protect Social Security and Medicare with no cuts, including no changes to the retirement age
15.    Cancel the electric vehicle mandate and cut costly and burdensome regulations
16.    Cut federal funding for any school pushing critical race theory, radical gender ideology, and other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content on our children
17.    Keep men out of women's sports
18.    Deport pro-Hamas radicals and make our college campuses safe and patriotic again
19.    Secure our elections, including same day voting, voter identification, paper ballots, and proof of citizenship
20.    Unite our country by bringing it to new and record levels of success

     --2024 Republican Party Platform

 

 

You'll note it omits anything about abortion, no "ban" constantly lied about on the left. SCOTUS settled that matter. And it specifically supports Social Security and Medicare, refuting leftist nonsense about "throwing grandma over a cliff."

 

What a sad obsession, the need to come here on the forum and lie day after day.

 

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

 

I don't have time to educate you on the threat posed by Trump's election. 

 

Or the knowledge or qualifications, so you'd merely miseducate anyway. All good.

 

Edited July 29 by BigStar

[susanlea]

1 minute ago, BigStar said:

 

One of the current leftist lies. Trump has nothing to with 2025 and has said so. Some of it flatly contradicts his positions.

 

Trump's agenda is the Republican Party platform he helped write and approve. That's what he's being elected to try to do, and so he intends to try. 

 

Here it is for you again.

1.    Seal the border, and stop the migrant invasion
2.    Carry out the largest deportation operation in American history
3.    End inflation, and make America affordable again
4.    Make America the dominant energy producer in the world, by far!
5.    Stop outsourcing, and turn the United States into a manufacturing superpower
6.    Large tax cuts for workers, and no tax on tips!
7.    Defend our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and our fundamental freedoms, including freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to keep and bear arms
8.    Prevent World War Three, restore peace in Europe and in the Middle East, and build a great iron dome missile defense shield over our entire country -- all made in America
9.    End the weaponization of government against the American people
10.    Stop the migrant crime epidemic, demolish the foreign drug cartels, crush gang violence, and lock up violent offenders
11.    Rebuild our cities, including Washington DC, making them safe, clean, and beautiful again.
12.    Strengthen and modernize our military, making it, without question, the strongest and most powerful in the world
13.    Keep the US dollar as the world's reserve currency
14.    Fight for and protect Social Security and Medicare with no cuts, including no changes to the retirement age
15.    Cancel the electric vehicle mandate and cut costly and burdensome regulations
16.    Cut federal funding for any school pushing critical race theory, radical gender ideology, and other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content on our children
17.    Keep men out of women's sports
18.    Deport pro-Hamas radicals and make our college campuses safe and patriotic again
19.    Secure our elections, including same day voting, voter identification, paper ballots, and proof of citizenship
20.    Unite our country by bringing it to new and record levels of success

     --2024 Republican Party Platform

 

 

You'll note it omits anything about abortion, no "ban" constantly lied about on the left. SCOTUS settled that matter. And it specifically supports Social Security and Medicare, refuting leftist nonsense about "throwing grandma over a cliff."

 

 

 

Or the knowledge or qualifications, so you'd merely miseducate anyway. All good.

 

 

Great policies. Trump 2024.

[susanlea]

53 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

It's obvious that the choice of JD Vance was a mistake. 

 

My understanding is that the deadline to replace him is August 7.

 

I thought that Sarah Palin was the worst VP candidate, but Vance wins.

Harris is the worst. Tulsi destroyed the dud in a debate. 

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, BigStar said:

 

One of the current leftist lies. Trump has nothing to with 2025 and has said so. Some of it flatly contradicts his positions.

 

Trump's agenda is the Republican Party platform he helped write and approve. That's what he's being elected to try to do, and so he intends to try. 

 

Here it is for you again.

1.    Seal the border, and stop the migrant invasion
2.    Carry out the largest deportation operation in American history
3.    End inflation, and make America affordable again
4.    Make America the dominant energy producer in the world, by far!
5.    Stop outsourcing, and turn the United States into a manufacturing superpower
6.    Large tax cuts for workers, and no tax on tips!
7.    Defend our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and our fundamental freedoms, including freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to keep and bear arms
8.    Prevent World War Three, restore peace in Europe and in the Middle East, and build a great ir

 

 

Project 2025 was written by Trump's staff.

 

If you believe Trump, you are in trouble.

[susanlea]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

Project 2025 was written by Trump's staff.

 

If you believe Trump, you are in trouble.

Left wing trolling. 

[BigStar]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Project 2025 was written by Trump's staff.

 

No. No one on Trump's staff wrote Project 2025.

 

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

If you believe Trump, you are in trouble.

 

Ooh. Scary. I better start believing your lies!

 

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

No. No one on Trump's staff wrote Project 2025.

 

 

Ooh. Scary. I better start believing your lies!

 

Former President Donald Trump says he has “no idea” who’s behind the Project 2025 policy blueprint. The authors include his senior energy and environmental appointees.

 

"Stephen Moore, an adviser to the Trump campaign who co-authored the Project 2025 framework, said the policy guide has been misunderstood.

 

“It’s not meant to be a blueprint for Donald Trump — it’s meant to be a blueprint for a conservative president,” Moore said.

 

“We wrote this as our dream scenario,” Moore said of the authors, a list that includes former Trump Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson and former Trump White House aide Peter Navarro, who’s serving in federal prison after he was convicted of contempt of Congress."

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

As a foreigner, I can't expect you to understand how the Executive Branch works.

 

Suffice to say, the President cannot order prosecutions. Trump wants to change that.

Why? The Pres already has the open power to order an investigation via Executive Order, and if you dont think the Democrat Politburo is behind the Trump prosecutions, you don't know much about American politics

 

 

[BigStar]

24 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Former President Donald Trump says he has “no idea” who’s behind the Project 2025 policy blueprint. The authors include his senior energy and environmental appointees.

 

"Stephen Moore, an adviser to the Trump campaign who co-authored the Project 2025 framework, said the policy guide has been misunderstood.

 

“It’s not meant to be a blueprint for Donald Trump — it’s meant to be a blueprint for a conservative president,” Moore said.

 

“We wrote this as our dream scenario,” Moore said of the authors, a list that includes former Trump Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson and former Trump White House aide Peter Navarro, who’s serving in federal prison after he was convicted of contempt of Congress."

 

Irrelevant. As I said, no one on Trump's staff helped write the Project 2025. Trump had nothing to do with it and it contradicts Trump's agenda. You've been informed what the agenda really is.

 

Try to think and stop repeating that lie from the Harris campaign echoed in the propaganda press.

 

 

 

Edited July 29 by BigStar

[JackGats]

Why hopefully fatal mistake? Not all Americans I'm sure want as Commander-in-Chief a person who just happened to be "black" or "brown" or just happened to have a vagina as their sole qualification in life. Many Americans feel safer having Trump to push (or not push) the red button of mutual assured destruction. Trump is a freak all right, even a scowndrel may be, but he is not totally incompetent. He climbed the social ladder in his own right. He was not coopted into power by anyone. He can keep the World alive and face bullies.

[TedG]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump is openly stating that the old system will be replaced with the President have full control over agencies.

 

Civil servants will be replaced with political appointees.

 

You are misrepresenting Trump's plans. Why would you do that?

 

The POTUS already has this power. 

[TedG]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

I have pointed out some already.

 

Project 2025 aims to reverse civil rights protections for minorities.

 

Project 2025 aims to cut Social Security and Medicare.

 

I don't have time to educate you on the threat posed by Trump's election. 

  Project 2025 does none of the above.  You are lying.

[Bday Prang]

On 7/25/2024 at 1:26 AM, nobodysfriend said:

Now , they ( Trump team ) are all busy to find her weak spots to be able to attack her

That's the normal course of action from the opposing side, it's not unique to Trump's people at all

[nauseus]

A big black mark against AN for allowing this bollux on here at all.

[HappyExpat57]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

A big black mark against AN for allowing this bollux on here at all.

You have to admit, it generates a lot of traffic which equals profits.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, TedG said:

  Project 2025 does none of the above.  You are lying.

You're wrong but the worst part is replacing highly skilled very experienced civil servants with people only qualified based on their loyalty to Trump. That translates to a Trump dictatorship. 

[TedG]

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're wrong but the worst part is replacing highly skilled very experienced civil servants with people only qualified based on their loyalty to Trump. That translates to a Trump dictatorship. 

I think we should start with your lie about Social Security.  I searched for Social Security, here are the hits.

 

 

[TedG]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're wrong but the worst part is replacing highly skilled very experienced civil servants with people only qualified based on their loyalty to Trump. That translates to a Trump dictatorship. 

Hit one.

 

 

[TedG]

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're wrong but the worst part is replacing highly skilled very experienced civil servants with people only qualified based on their loyalty to Trump. That translates to a Trump dictatorship. 

hit 2

 

 

[TedG]

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[TedG]

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On 7/24/2024 at 12:53 PM, TedG said:

@Jingthing Why do you call the movement fascist?  Let’s talk about this. 

Well, for one thing, there's a candidate who believes that the President should have unconditional immunity for any criminal acts without exception that he commits while in office.

[gargamon]

10 hours ago, TedG said:

No, that’s not true.  The immunity only applies to official acts listed in the US Constitution.  

LOL. Please, do tell what official acts are. Oh, a corrupt supreme court needs to decide. Hahaha.

[TedG]

10 minutes ago, gargamon said:

LOL. Please, do tell what official acts are. Oh, a corrupt supreme court needs to decide. Hahaha.

 

What are ‘official acts’ and why are they presumed immune?

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The Supreme Court in a 1982 decision involving President Richard M. Nixon said that the Constitution shields presidents from private civil lawsuits for actions taken as part of their official duties — even those at the “outer perimeter” of their responsibilities. But the court in a 1997 case involving President Bill Clinton said presidents could be sued for private conduct.

 

Examples of exclusive presidential powers listed in the Constitution include commanding the armed forces, appointing government officials and judges, pardoning defendants and engaging in diplomacy. Writing for the majority, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. said the executive branch also has unchallengeable authority to decide which crimes to prosecute.

“The President may discuss potential investigations and prosecutions with his Attorney General and other Justice Department officials to carry out his constitutional duty to ‘take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,’” Roberts said.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/07/02/official-act-trump-immunity-trial-judge/

 

 

[gargamon]

3 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

What are ‘official acts’ and why are they presumed immune?

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The Supreme Court in a 1982 decision involving President Richard M. Nixon said that the Constitution shields presidents from private civil lawsuits for actions taken as part of their official duties — even those at the “outer perimeter” of their responsibilities. But the court in a 1997 case involving President Bill Clinton said presidents could be sued for private conduct.

 

Examples of exclusive presidential powers listed in the Constitution include commanding the armed forces, appointing government officials and judges, pardoning defendants and engaging in diplomacy. Writing for the majority, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. said the executive branch also has unchallengeable authority to decide which crimes to prosecute.

“The President may discuss potential investigations and prosecutions with his Attorney General and other Justice Department officials to carry out his constitutional duty to ‘take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,’” Roberts said.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/07/02/official-act-trump-immunity-trial-judge/

 

 

Again, before you try to continue your obfuscation, the current corrupt supreme court needs to decide. Hahaha.