The Importance of Respecting Trump Voters

[WDSmart]

Just now, stoner said:

 

i also love how you daily take advantage of many things and tools that capitalism has provided for you. 

 

www.hypocricy.com

 

 

Living in Thailand as a non-citizen, I'm not allowed to access all their public services. 

[TedG]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

When did Usa become a socialist country? Norway, Sweeden, Denmark and Finland is socialist countries. Far from anything alike Usa, and fully functional societies compared to Usa

These are counties with free market economies.  Socialism is when the people own the means of production.  

[WDSmart]

8 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

Stop it.

 

You have the choice. If you truly believed the crap you spout you would go to the government hospital. Period. 

I have gone there from time to time. It has some services that even the private hospitals do not have. 

[BigStar]

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Living in Thailand as a non-citizen, I'm not allowed to access all their public services. 

 

ALL isn't required to validate the point you were trying to refute.

Edited September 2 by BigStar

[Lacessit]

4 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

Where are the poor starving? 

South Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Yemen.

 

 

[bubblegum]

4 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

It's quite difficult to be friends with a leftist nowadays unless you're also a leftist. They're too dogmatic, smug, and deeply emotionally invested in their self-assumed intellectual superiority and high moral virtue. Any suggestion that you may dare (cough) disagree will result in name-calling and cancellation.

 

I have one leftist friend left, but it's totally necessary that we totally avoid any political topics.

I have friends who vote right or left as well. Difference with my friends is we never call each other leftist or right wingers. A friend is a friend .

[TedG]

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Gaza

People are not starving in Gaza.  If this was the case it would be in the news daily.  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

14 hours ago, Social Media said:

Donald Trump’s divisiveness has brought out the worst in both his supporters and his critics, fostering mutual hostility.

 

Here the concluding passage from the original New York Times opinion piece:

 

"Whatever our politics, Trump brings out the worst in all of us. He nurtures hate on his side that we mirror.

 

So let’s take a deep breath, summon F.D.R.’s empathy for the forgotten man, follow Clinton’s advice — and, for the sake of winning elections as well as of civility, remember that the best way to get others to listen to us is to first listen to them."

 

Well, if nothing else, it's a rarity to find the words "Trump" and "civility" mentioned anywhere close to each other.

 

But I do agree with the author's primary conclusion:

 

"Trump brings out the worst in all of us."

 

That's reason enough that he never should serve as U.S. president again, for the sake of the U.S. and the world.

 

[TedG]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

South Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Yemen.

 

 

What do these counties have in common? 

[stoner]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I have gone there from time to time. It has some services that even the private hospitals do not have. 

 

how socialist of you......... from time to time. 

 

 

[stoner]

8 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Living in Thailand as a non-citizen, I'm not allowed to access all their public services. 

 

more excuses. if you were a true socialist you would seek out life where you could live as such.

 

but you don't. 

[candide]

35 minutes ago, Chwooly said:

Up until they were proven true, the same exact words you are posting were used to describe them. But again your social dissonance is strong. Reply or don't either way I am done since you are unable or unwilling to see anything that contradicts your perceived world view as fed to you by the MSM and the Democrats. 

Completely illogical.

 

The existence of unrelated events cannot give any credibility to claims about the existence of other unrelated events.

 

In particular when the claimed events are ridiculous and debunked.

[WDSmart]

5 minutes ago, BigStar said:

6 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Living in Thailand as a non-citizen, I'm not allowed to access all their public services. 

 

ALL isn't required to validate the point you were trying to refute.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I have said I do take advantage of some public services here in Thailand and also some private services. When I go to the public hospital, I pay more as a non-citizen than a Thai pays. It's still cheaper than the private hospitals. And some services are only offered by the public hospital in the area in which I live.

[WDSmart]

2 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

more excuses. if you were a true socialist you would seek out life where you could live as such.

 

but you don't. 

I have sought out a life that I love living, and I do so every day.

[maesariang]

17 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

But does capitalism always succeed? I don't think so. Look at the world today. It's full of super-wealthy and starving poor. 

Individuals fail.

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, Chwooly said:

Keep deluding yourself, How is this illogical. Some things were called conspiracy theories that were proven true.  It means that there a chance that the others are true as well. But you are so convinced by your own inability to disbelieve anything coming from the MSM and the democrats that you keep buying the lies and shouting that they are true. Just so you know the emperor wasn't wearing any clothes. 

 

1 hour ago, Chwooly said:

While I have a vague idea about debate terms, You saying people won't get your respect means you think they want it. You can use debate terms in an attempt to seem smart but we can all read your reply's and fully know where  your loyalties lie. 

 

I appreciate your acknowledgment of being somewhat vague about "debate terms", which are crucial for clear reasoning in any discussion.

 

Here is my analysis of the illogical fallacies that you have used in your previous response.

1. False Equivalence: You suggest that because some conspiracy theories have been proven true, all conspiracy theories, including those mentioned (Pizzagate, Birther, Big Lie), have a chance of being true. This is a false equivalence because not all conspiracy theories are created equal, and the fact that some have been true does not logically imply that others are equally likely to be true.
    

2. Hasty Generalization: You make a generalization that because some conspiracy theories have been proven true, any conspiracy theory could be true. This is a form of hasty generalization, where a conclusion is drawn from insufficient evidence. Just because one or two theories turned out to be true does not mean that all theories, or even a significant number, are likely to be true.
    

3. Straw Man: You misrepresent the OP's position by implying that they believe everything from the mainstream media (MSM) and Democrats without question. He did not make this claim; they merely pointed out that the specific conspiracy theories mentioned are not supported by evidence.
    

4. Ad Hominem: You attack him personally by suggesting they are deluded and incapable of disbelief, rather than addressing the actual argument. This diverts the discussion from the original point and focuses on attacking the character of the person instead of the argument.
    

5. Appeal to Ridicule: The reference to the "emperor not wearing any clothes" is an appeal to ridicule, implying that the OP is foolish or blind to the truth. This is used to dismiss the other person's argument without engaging with it logically.

 

These logical fallacies weaken your argument by relying on flawed reasoning rather than engaging with the discussion on solid grounds. Understanding and avoiding these fallacies is important not just in formal debates but in any constructive discussion.
 

Edited September 2 by LosLobo

[stoner]

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I have sought out a life that I love living, and I do so every day.

 

exactly. until you live as you preach you are simply a hypocrite to the extreme. 

 

please note. if you didn't preach as you did i would never say any of these things. i would actually say positive things to what you just wrote. 

 

it is a good way of thinking about life. however that glaring hypocrisy takes it all away. 

[WDSmart]

Just now, maesariang said:

18 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

But does capitalism always succeed? I don't think so. Look at the world today. It's full of super-wealthy and starving poor. 

Individuals fail.

Yes! And that's what capitalism is all about - the individual. Socialism is about the society.

I often say the difference between capitalism and socialism is just the first letter in a two-letter word: "me" and "we." 

[maesariang]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes! And that's what capitalism is all about - the individual. Socialism is about the society.

I often say the difference between capitalism and socialism is just the first letter in a two-letter word: "me" and "we." 

Socialism killed 100m people in 100 years. Bangladesh is socialist yet a very poor country.

 

 

Edited September 2 by maesariang

[candide]

It's funny that some people are considering social security as "Socialist". It has been first introduced by Bismark, hardly a Socialist! 😀

[maesariang]

9 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I have sought out a life that I love living, and I do so every day.

 

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes! And that's what capitalism is all about - the individual. Socialism is about the society.

 

So in your own words you choose the best life as an "individual" which makes you a capitalist and not a socialist.

[stoner]

1 minute ago, maesariang said:

 

So in your own words you choose the best life as an "individual" which makes you a capitalist and not a socialist.

 

ouch.

[Celsius]

[Fat is a type of crazy]

Been said a million times but the best system is capitalism where effort is rewarded with some government intervention - or socialism - where say one business gets too powerful and crushes real competition, or where they are best placed to provide services that can't simply work by capitalist principles  e.g.,  defence, health, etc.

Republicans and Democrats can differ about where the right line is and that's fine. My problem isn't that either side does not have merit to their point of view but that Trump is a silly duffer and shouldn't be part of the debate. 

 

Edited September 2 by Fat is a type of crazy

[GustavH]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The replies on this thread aren't helping  me respect Trump voters more. 

The truth is the best chance for Harris to win over the maga fascists is to motivate more people overall  to vote rather than convert Trump lovers.

The US isn't Australia. 

Trump never had and never will have majority support. 

Their entire game is minority rule.

Trump-voters are easily brainwashed: A Trump-admirer recently told me that "they send us the criminals..." (Meaning: the South-American rulers deliberately send criminals to the USA.) This is pure nonsense: desperate and poor people and people who want a better life, come to the USA driven by their own motivation.
This guy, however, simply didn't understand/didn't want to hear my explanation.
Trump-admirers accept/believe ANYTHING Trump says, even the BIGGEST lies.

[Danderman123]

13 hours ago, Tug said:

It’s not hate it is the sobering reality that trump has 30% of our population conned and the Republican Party is terrified of their base knowing if they don’t bend the knee(or are to spineless to stand up for democracy)they will lose office.it is what it is as of now trump is the enemy of American democracy .

Remember, these are victims of a con.

[TedG]

43 minutes ago, candide said:

It's funny that some people are considering social security as "Socialist". It has been first introduced by Bismark, hardly a Socialist! 😀

Most people don’t understand the meaning of socialism. 

[TedG]

12 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Remember, these are victims of a con.

You’re avatar is a photo of a con.

[TedG]

23 minutes ago, GustavH said:

Trump-voters are easily brainwashed: A Trump-admirer recently told me that "they send us the criminals..." (Meaning: the South-American rulers deliberately send criminals to the USA.) This is pure nonsense: desperate and poor people and people who want a better life, come to the USA driven by their own motivation.
This guy, however, simply didn't understand/didn't want to hear my explanation.
Trump-admirers accept/believe ANYTHING Trump says, even the BIGGEST lies.

 

You’re making up your own reality. 

[TedG]

50 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes! And that's what capitalism is all about - the individual. Socialism is about the society.

I often say the difference between capitalism and socialism is just the first letter in a two-letter word: "me" and "we." 

 

The huge difference between socialism and capitalism is socialism always fails.