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5 minutes ago, harryviking said:

Trump want to stay out of jail and get rid of all charges as a President. He is an useless, ignorant narcissist. He will be a disaster for the whole planet as President!! 

 

True.

 

In this case, where the sentencing takes place after the election, and Trump wins (God forbid).....does he just pardon himself???

 

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On 9/8/2024 at 4:06 AM, Yellowtail said:

I think it is because he loves his country


I think he loves his country all right, but for different reasons than you think, and also for very different reasons than most Americans love their country.

IMO, Donald Trump loves America because it has been so easy for him to create the image of a successful and powerful businessman, while at the same time it has been so easy for him to break the law, and get away with it. He’s been laughing all the way to the bank while going bankrupt five (six?) times, bilking hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions, stiffing everyone he owed money to with the bill.

Then he went into politics and saw a way to make even more money. He collected hundreds of millions of dollars from hard-working Americans so he could ‘stop the steal’, for instance. Most of that money went to paying his own legal fees, though.

But what Trump probably loves most about America is how gullible many Americans are, and how incredible easy it has been to pull the wool over their eyes and to get them to send him money. A lot of money. 

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22 hours ago, maesariang said:

No wars under Trump and best economy in 50 years. 

 

He tried to incite a civil war with his irresponsible  actions after he lost the election.

 

 

15 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah talk about a pay cut. Sort of sucks having a guy running for President that didnt make his millions off the .gov teat, like the Obamas, the Clintons, the Bidens.....

He benefited from forcing the secret service to rent rooms at his hotels where he stays. You ignore the fact that    Trump likes to stay at his golf club hotels in Palm Beach and New jersey. The secret service is forced to  rent rooms in these  places. Quite a contrast from former Jimmy Carter, who lives modestly. Even former Presidents Bush, Clinton and Obama keep the security expenses restrained.

During his presidency,  foreign  officials from  certain countries were lavish spenders at his hotel in Washington DC.

And then there is the   questionable financing of the Trump real estate debt by  Saudi Arabia.

 

28 minutes ago, maesariang said:

He was good last time. No wars started, good economy. I don't know where you get the "disaster" stuff from.

 

You keep  writing that as if the January insurrection and attempt to murder VP Pence and Speaker Pelosi did not occur.

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3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

He tried to incite a civil war with his irresponsible  actions after he lost the election.

 

 

He benefited from forcing the secret service to rent rooms at his hotels where he stays. You ignore the fact that    Trump likes to stay at his golf club hotels in Palm Beach and New jersey. The secret service is forced to  rent rooms in these  places. Quite a contrast from former Jimmy Carter, who lives modestly. Even former Presidents Bush, Clinton and Obama keep the security expenses restrained.

During his presidency,  foreign  officials from  certain countries were lavish spenders at his hotel in Washington DC.

And then there is the   questionable financing of the Trump real estate debt by  Saudi Arabia.

 

 

You keep  writing that as if the January insurrection and attempt to murder VP Pence and Speaker Pelosi did not occur.

He didnt murder anyone. 

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Posted
3 hours ago, phetphet said:

Could Trump, once in office exonerate himself of all charges?

Trump has asked before whether he could pardon himself.

 

He can fire the heads of the FBI and DOJ, install a couple of puppets. The would then drop all charges.

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1 hour ago, itsari said:

Trump was not convicted of election fraud in New York .

He was convicted in May 24 on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records related to payments to suppress damaging information from Stormy Daniels. 

The prosecution was for falsifying business records , not election fraud.

Nothing has been decided about the accusation of stolen government documents.

It was for falsification of record to disrupt the election, so it is both.

 

How do you think the espionage case is going to go? _130051368_trumpindictmentphotosballroom.png

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5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Trump has asked before whether he could pardon himself.

 

He can fire the heads of the FBI and DOJ, install a couple of puppets. The would then drop all charges.

 

Just read he can only pardon himself re: federal crimes.....not state ones....is that correct? and, if so, where does that leave him?

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33 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Just read he can only pardon himself re: federal crimes.....not state ones....is that correct? and, if so, where does that leave him?

I don't know if that is correct, but possibly all he has to do is stay out of the states who convict him.

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59 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

It was for falsification of record to disrupt the election, so it is both.

 

How do you think the espionage case is going to go? _130051368_trumpindictmentphotosballroom.png

In my opinion Trump will overcome the withholding government documents charge.

One reason is that there was a decision that he can not be prosecuted as he was the president at the time.

Also the prosecution for overestimating his companies property values should mean that millions of US citizens should suffer the same fate.

A witness from the bank where Trump raised loans mentioned that they had no problems with Trump. Seems the jury did not take much notice of that .

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23 minutes ago, itsari said:

In my opinion Trump will overcome the withholding government documents charge.

One reason is that there was a decision that he can not be prosecuted as he was the president at the time.

Sorry, he withheld the documents after he was out of office.

 

24 minutes ago, itsari said:

Also the prosecution for overestimating his companies property values should mean that millions of US citizens should suffer the same fate.

Just because everyone breaks the law doesn't make it legal. Some get caught, some don't.

 

26 minutes ago, itsari said:

A witness from the bank where Trump raised loans mentioned that they had no problems with Trump. Seems the jury did not take much notice of that

These are the same banks that won't lend Trump money now?

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54 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Sorry, he withheld the documents after he was out of office.

 

Just because everyone breaks the law doesn't make it legal. Some get caught, some don't.

 

These are the same banks that won't lend Trump money now?

That may well be true , yet the bank witness had nothing to say negative about him in court .

Some get caught and some don't, OK but in this case it looks like a witch hunt and nothing more.

We will find out about if he was out of office or not when the case arrives at court

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35 minutes ago, itsari said:

That may well be true , yet the bank witness had nothing to say negative about him in court .

Some get caught and some don't, OK but in this case it looks like a witch hunt and nothing more.

We will find out about if he was out of office or not when the case arrives at court

He moved the documents on Jan. 20th 2021 to Mar-a-Lago, (they were boxed up on the 18th).
From that day on he was not authorised to retain possession.

(Multiple federal laws govern the handling of classified and sensitive documents, including statutes
making it a crime to remove such material and keep it at an unauthorized location.)

In May 2021, NAA requests the materials be returned, and if he does not comply, the matter will be passed to the DOJ.

The rest is history. If Trump had returned all the boxes, as did Biden and Pence, this would have all gone away.
But, this is Trump who believes he can do what ever he wants.
 

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8 minutes ago, tilaceer said:

He moved the documents on Jan. 20th 2021 to Mar-a-Lago, (they were boxed up on the 18th).
From that day on he was not authorised to retain possession.

(Multiple federal laws govern the handling of classified and sensitive documents, including statutes
making it a crime to remove such material and keep it at an unauthorized location.)

In May 2021, NAA requests the materials be returned, and if he does not comply, the matter will be passed to the DOJ.

The rest is history. If Trump had returned all the boxes, as did Biden and Pence, this would have all gone away.
But, this is Trump who believes he can do what ever he wants.
 

It will be interesting to know the outcome. 

Yet I believe the instigators will be disappointed.

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Serving the nation? As a model of ethical and moral leadership? Putting the interests of the country before any possible personal and business gain? Showing true adherence to the democratic process? Is this what you mean, or something different?

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18 minutes ago, Ajarnbrian said:

Serving the nation? As a model of ethical and moral leadership? Putting the interests of the country before any possible personal and business gain? Showing true adherence to the democratic process? Is this what you mean, or something different?

Or  D. None of the above.

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58 minutes ago, itsari said:

It will be interesting to know the outcome. 

Yet I believe the instigators will be disappointed.

I think the instigators are going to prison.

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4 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Just read he can only pardon himself re: federal crimes.....not state ones....is that correct? and, if so, where does that leave him?

Facing conviction in New York and Trials in Georgia, Michigan and Arizona.

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7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

He tried to incite a civil war with his irresponsible  actions after he lost the election.

 

 

He benefited from forcing the secret service to rent rooms at his hotels where he stays. You ignore the fact that    Trump likes to stay at his golf club hotels in Palm Beach and New jersey. The secret service is forced to  rent rooms in these  places. Quite a contrast from former Jimmy Carter, who lives modestly. Even former Presidents Bush, Clinton and Obama keep the security expenses restrained.

During his presidency,  foreign  officials from  certain countries were lavish spenders at his hotel in Washington DC.

And then there is the   questionable financing of the Trump real estate debt by  Saudi Arabia.

 

 

You keep  writing that as if the January insurrection and attempt to murder VP Pence and Speaker Pelosi did not occur.

Blatant propaganda, there was no insurrection and no attempts to murder. The rest of the post is just petty childishness

 

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Posted (edited)
11 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Trump should be..........

poopy.png

I figured you would be in the sandbox too.  On the other hand, having pictures of Trumps butt on  your stash...kind of telling///

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11 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Trump should be..........

poopy.png


Uh-oh. Well, sh*t happens.

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