Abc’s Muir needs to make a public apology

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

That's a fact.

 

When Joe Biden took over, the COVID pandemic was at its peak. Do you disagree?

 

 

No, actually, it's not a fact.

 

Because Trump had no agency in "passing" on any epidemic, it was there, regardless of Trump. Peak or not Trump had no agency in leaving any pandemic for the Biden administration. She could have said he made the mortality figures worse. But she didn't. She literally said "he gave us the worst epidemic in a century".

 

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, riclag said:

Come on swing voters the inmates are running the asylum imop

 

Safety first!

Do you think that Laura Loomer is going to help Trump win the election?

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No, actually, it's not a fact.

 

Because Trump had no agency in "passing" on any epidemic, it was there, regardless of Trump. Peak or not Trump had no agency in leaving any pandemic for the Biden administration. She could have said he made the mortality figures worse. But she didn't. She literally said "he gave us the worst epidemic in a century".

 

You are in denial. January 2021 was the peak of the epidemic. Trump was too busy trying to overturn the election to even think about protecting Americans from COVID.

 

U.S. reports record number of Covid deaths in January as new strains threaten progress

 

Here's a hint for you: if Trump's handling of COVID is the hill you want to die on, please proceed.

 

Edited September 14 by Danderman123

[Cameroni]

11 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You are in denial. January 2021 was the peak of the epidemic. Trump was too busy trying to overturn the election to even think about protecting Americans from COVID.

 

U.S. reports record number of Covid deaths in January as new strains threaten progress

 

Here's a hint for you: if Trump's handling of COVID is the hill you want to die on, please proceed.

 

Lol, it's irrelevant. Trump did not cause the epidemic. He had no agency in "passing it on" to the Biden administration.

 

Kamala did not say his handling made it worse. She said he gave us the worst epidemic.

[tomazbodner]

Actually crime and incidents seem to be up globally, nearly like if COVID and vaccines took a couple of dozen points off people's IQ.

[Danderman123]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Lol, it's irrelevant. Trump did not cause the epidemic. He had no agency in "passing it on" to the Biden administration.

 

Kamala did not say his handling made it worse. She said he gave us the worst epidemic.

You are trying to handwave away Trump's responsibility for mishandling COVID.

 

40 times Trump said the coronavirus would go away

 

Why was Trump so wrong about COVID?

[riclag]

8 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Actually crime and incidents seem to be up globally, nearly like if COVID and vaccines took a couple of dozen points off people's IQ.

Thanks for driving the thread to its desired destination ,Crime figures were botched( not totally  reliable )by the government & the bias fact checking mods of abc

Edited September 14 by riclag

[riclag]

Trump was right crime statistics were up!
Just when you thought it was bad enough of the blatant deception by abc

Professor Turley writes an opinion article.

The Justice Department’s released survey found that, under the Biden administration, there has been a significant increase in crime. Violent crime was up 37 percent from 2020 to 2023, rape is up 42 percent, robbery is up 63 percent and stranger violence is up 61 percent. Other reports had shown startling increases such as a doubling of carjackings in D.C. in 2023.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4879842-false-claims-harris-trump-debate/

Edited September 14 by riclag

[atpeace]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

you dont get why i posted a link ?

Members who make claims must support their claims or they can be susceptible to having them pulled for unsubstantiated !

 

You have lost me.  Probably obvious but really don't get why you posted the link to substantiate an opinion of yours with another link to another persons opinion.  I guess you substantiated two people share the same opinion 🙂

Edited September 14 by atpeace

[bubblegum]

13 hours ago, impulse said:

 
Maybe a faux pas, maybe not.  With the civil war still raging in Haiti, he can't send them there.  He's not evil.  Maybe they came to the USA by way of Venezuela? 

 

Or maybe he mis-spoke.  People do that sometimes when they get so happy about things going their way.

 

Who knows?  And where's the link that he actually said it?  Funny how we need links but you guys can say whatever crap you want.  And if there is a link, I want the whole statement.  Not 3 carefully curated words.

 

Or maybe it was on TV and he said what he said. Or maybe he did not mis-spoke just like the time he said Orban was the PM of Turkiye.

[impulse]

5 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Or maybe it was on TV and he said what he said. Or maybe he did not mis-spoke just like the time he said Orban was the PM of Turkiye.

 

 

So, no link to the claim...

 

[stevenl]

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Yes, and not just that, he created a whole pandemic which he maliciously passed on to the Biden administration. This was carefully fact checked by ABC....oh wait..

 

 

"Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century."

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542

You still interprete her comment in stead of reading it like it was stated and like it was meant: he left the UU (or administration if you prefer) with a pandemic. Doesn't mean he caused it, that wasn't stated or implied.

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

You still interprete her comment in stead of reading it like it was stated and like it was meant: he left the UU (or administration if you prefer) with a pandemic. Doesn't mean he caused it, that wasn't stated or implied.

 

Look, you can argue, "this is what she meant, that is what she meant"...and maybe you'd have a point, she meant to say "this" or "that". We can't really know for sure. But we both know what she actually said. That Trump gave the Biden administration an epidemic "he left us the worst epidemic in a century", something for which Trump had no agency at all since he's not the one to blame for the fact that the Biden administration, like Trump himself, had to contend with a pandemic.

 

She tried to put blame for the epidemic on Trump, would you accept that?

[cdemundo]

16 hours ago, Inderpland said:

BS. It isn't the other candidate's job to use what little time is allotted to fact-check a serial liar. She wouldn't have time to do anything else when the mother of all liars is in full swing.

This is exactly the strategy Trump employs, the Gish Gallop.

 

'The “Gish Gallop” is a well-established method of outmaneuvering rhetorical opponents with an overwhelming onslaught of dubious arguments. Also known in debate circles as “spreading,” '

https://qz.com/905252/donald-trumps-lies-are-all-part-of-a-debate-tactic-called-the-gish-gallop

 

" It was Trump using a technique that actually has a formal name, the Gish gallop, although I suspect he comes by it naturally. It's a rhetorical technique in which someone throws out a fast string of lies, non-sequiturs, and specious arguments, so many that it is impossible to fact-check or rebut them in the amount of time it took to say them."

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2024/06/30/to-gish-the-act-of-talking-drivel-with-the-intention-of-closing-down-debate/

 

 

[cdemundo]

46 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Look, you can argue, "this is what she meant, that is what she meant"...and maybe you'd have a point, she meant to say "this" or "that". We can't really know for sure. But we both know what she actually said. That Trump gave the Biden administration an epidemic "he left us the worst epidemic in a century", something for which Trump had no agency at all since he's not the one to blame for the fact that the Biden administration, like Trump himself, had to contend with a pandemic.

 

She tried to put blame for the epidemic on Trump, would you accept that?

She did say that, untrue as stated, and I am guessing she meant to say it that way to make it look like the pandemic was Trump's responsibility when everyone knows Bill Gates started it.

[frank83628]

15 hours ago, bubblegum said:

Compared to just about any nation in the world the USA is far right. Now it seems that the far right in the USA have a lot of trouble with the far right TV networks that are not far right enough for them. 

 

For these people the only networks that are "credible" are those that have to pay millions/billions of dollars for lying in public.

 

And then the "master" himself goes on his usual tantrum by saying "the debate was rigged (everything is rigged Don I guess, if you say so) I won the debate bigly".

 

Also not trusting Kamala to stand firm with "world leaders" like Putin, Xi and Kim. Do you realize that the names you call are not world leaders? The leaders of the word are: The US President along with those from Europe. That's it really. Putin, Xi and Kim are merely some dictators who fear for their own lives more than that they give any structure to their respective nation.

 

Oh, I made one mistake about the world leaders and that is during the time Trump was President of the USA he was far from a world leader. He was kind of the JOKER!

Putin KIm and Xi are world leaders despite what your USA bubble tells you, and far better than most western ones,

btw the 'western world is 15% of the world population. 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

Look, you can argue, "this is what she meant, that is what she meant"...and maybe you'd have a point, she meant to say "this" or "that". We can't really know for sure. But we both know what she actually said. That Trump gave the Biden administration an epidemic "he left us the worst epidemic in a century", something for which Trump had no agency at all since he's not the one to blame for the fact that the Biden administration, like Trump himself, had to contend with a pandemic.

 

She tried to put blame for the epidemic on Trump, would you accept that?

I am arguing 'this is what she said'. You're falsely interpreting her words.

 

You claim "She tried to put blame for the epidemic on Trump".

No, she put blame for the state of the epidemic on Trump.

Edited September 15 by stevenl

[bubblegum]

16 hours ago, impulse said:

 
Maybe a faux pas, maybe not.  With the civil war still raging in Haiti, he can't send them there.  He's not evil.  Maybe they came to the USA by way of Venezuela? 

 

Or maybe he mis-spoke.  People do that sometimes when they get so happy about things going their way.

 

Who knows?  And where's the link that he actually said it?  Funny how we need links but you guys can say whatever crap you want.  And if there is a link, I want the whole statement.  Not 3 carefully curated words.

 

https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-deportations-haitians

 

Happy now?

[bubblegum]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Putin KIm and Xi are world leaders despite what your USA bubble tells you, and far better than most western ones,

btw the 'western world is 15% of the world population. 

I'm not in an USA bubble as I'm not from the US. So you like dictators I see. 

[frank83628]

Just now, bubblegum said:

I'm not in an USA bubble as I'm not from the US. So you like dictators I see. 

Putin, yep. proper world leader, i dont know much about kim or Xi

[marin]

14 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Putin, yep. proper world leader, i dont know much about kim or Xi

Why do you enjoy displaying your love of dictators and fascism?  Not even talking about your stupidity. Sorry for being so blunt, but I cant believe you just typed that. 

[Cameroni]

18 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Putin, yep. proper world leader, i dont know much about kim or Xi

 

I agree, he is a great statesman. We need someone like him in the West.

[metisdead]

Posts using derogatory and toxic nicknames or intentional misspelling of people’s names will be removed. If you don’t want your post to be removed, spell people’s names correctly, this applies to both sides of the political debate.

[gamb00ler]

17 hours ago, bubblegum said:

Trump just said he will deport all Haitians and send them back to Venezuela .  How stupid can a man be?

Trump keeps setting that bar to a new low.  The neural pathway from his brain to his mouth must have to pass through the equivalent of the Darién gap.

 

That's totally acceptable to MAGAns. He's repeatedly stretched a grain of truth until his cult can no longer distinguish between fiction and fact.

[bubblegum]

Well seems the cat is out off the bag with 2 fervent Trump supporters loving Putin. Let's make America weirder than it already is.

[Walker88]

If moderators have the same authority as referees in a boxing match, then I agree David Muir owes the public an apology for allowing that disaster to continue long after the male on that stage showed clear evidence of brain damage.

 

Looking at Muir's face when he was correcting the abject absurdity of 'they're eating the pets', it was clear Muir was deeply embarrassed for the person who had made that silly claim. Pity was the look. Pity that America had to see a man so unhinged and broken.

[simple1]

23 hours ago, riclag said:

Fact checking gone viral imop:

 

“Violent crime has increased under the Harris-Biden administration, according to data from the Department of Justice published Friday — belying ABC News debate moderator David Muir’s correction of Donald Trump during his showdown with Kamala Harris Tuesday night”.

 

“This new data proves President Trump was right,” Leavitt added. “Violent crime is up and if Kamala is given another four years to implement her weak-on-crime, defund the police, no cash bail policies — America will continue to turn into a crime-ridden hellhole for illegal immigrants, Venezuelan gangsters, and drug dealers.

 

https://www.aol.com/violent-crime-increased-under-harris-225929578.html

 

FBI / DoJ states otherwise and other fact checked lies by trump.

 

Violent crime surged during the pandemic, with homicides increasing nearly 30% in 2020 over the previous year — the largest one-year jump since the FBI began keeping records.

But FBI data released in June shows that the overall violent crime rate declined 15% in the first three months of 2024 compared to the same period last year. One expert has cautioned, however, that those figures are preliminary and may overstate the actual reduction in crime.

On Friday, Trump cited numbers he said were from the “bureau of justice statistics” to claim crime was up. This appears to be a reference to the National Crime Victimization Survey recently released by the Justice Department, which shows that the number of times people were victims of violent crime increased by about 40% from 2020 to 2023. The report notes, however, that while the rate of violent victimizations in 2023 was higher than it was in 2020 and 2021, it was not statistically different from the rate in 2019, when Trump was president.

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-trump-california-news-conference-a02862f23ebb777057842803e37eff80

Edited September 15 by simple1

[frank83628]

 

1 hour ago, marin said:

Why do you enjoy displaying your love of dictators and fascism?  Not even talking about your stupidity. Sorry for being so blunt, but I cant believe you just typed that. 

a President that stands up to the US, and isn't a puppet for them either, like so many are

watch some RT, you might see whats going on around the world outside the US corporate bias msm
 

[marin]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

a President that stands up to the US, and isn't a puppet for them either, like so many are

watch some RT, you might see whats going on around the world outside the US corporate bias msm
 

So a big fan of corruption you are. No wonder you love Trump. 

[cdemundo]

It has been said that fact checking should be the job of the debater.

So why didn't Trump fact check Harris?

If she lied and it's the debater's job to fact check it, why didn't he do that?

Should have been easy if she told such obvious lies.