Poll: Do you want Ukraine to WIN in the Russia-Ukraine war (it's a binary choice)

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Quick question...  How long do you figure Israel will last if the US military is 110% consumed in a Euro war, and there's no $$$ to bribe, cajole and threaten Israel's Muslim neighbors to play nice?

 

I am not talking about the US military being involved. 

[CANSIAM]

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So you're talking more like eight years from now. Good luck. 

I would welcome a more normal republican party but I think it's going to be harder than you think to de-maga-ize. It's bigger than Trump. 

Good point yes, 

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Quick question...  How long do you figure Israel will last if the US military is 110% consumed in a Euro war, and there's no $$$ to bribe, cajole and threaten Israel's Muslim neighbors to play nice?

 

Just wait to Turkey turns against us. They have really good reasons to do so, being the soi dog in Eurasia. 

[impulse]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

I am not talking about the US military being involved. 

 

Then it is over.  Ukraine lost.  Over a year ago.  Look at the map from 2023 and today.  Other than the idiot incursion into Kursk, what has Ukraine gained back?  The death and destruction since then has been futile.

 

 

 

 

[stoner]

either you're with us....or you're with the terrorists. 

Edited September 15 by stoner

[NoDisplayName]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There's always some jokers on the internets.

 

No joke.

Shelling the Donbass was not okay.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

Then it is over.  Ukraine lost.  Over a year ago.  Look at the map from 2023 and today.  Other than the idiot incursion into Kursk, what has Ukraine gained back?  The death and destruction since then has been futile.

 

 

 

 

Again, it's not over.

Putin was going to take Kyiv in two days.

I have nothing really to say to people like you spreading such blatant misinformation.

I don't understand your motivation to do that either.

[CANSIAM]

2 minutes ago, stoner said:

you're with us....or you're with the terrorists. 

Bush is running again ? 😉

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

No joke.

Shelling the Donbass was not okay.

Donbass is Ukraine.

You're free to spread your Putin Z fascist propaganda here or anywhere you like though. 

Edited September 15 by Jingthing

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Then it is over.  Ukraine lost.  Over a year ago.  Look at the map from 2023 and today.  Other than the idiot incursion into Kursk, what has Ukraine gained back?  The death and destruction since then has been futile.

 

 

 

 

It is keeping Putin distracted and he last credibility in Russia, and can be good for a border trade later this year. I think Ukraine have to get used to there will be new boarders to quit this war, or pay the ultimate price and that can be a tactical nuclear in Kiev worst scenario. 

[stoner]

Just now, CANSIAM said:

Bush is running again ? 😉

 

no :)......i just remember the last time i was given an ultimatum like this. 

[NoDisplayName]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Donbass is Ukraine.

 

You misspelled "was."

 

Eight years of indiscriminate shelling did indeed have consequences.  That region has voted to join the Russian Federation.  Democracy is bad now?

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It is keeping Putin distracted and he last credibility in Russia, and can be good for a border trade later this year. I think Ukraine have to get used to there will be new boarders to quit this war, or pay the ultimate price and that can be a tactical nuclear in Kiev worst scenario. 

There are other reasons for Ukraine to take Russian lands. Increase their missile range. Try to bait Russia out from Ukraine front lines (didn't work unfortunately). Refusing to play the game of a conventional attritional war which they can't win, but they can win in other ways.

 

Something that is working.

 

Bring the war back home to Russia.

Russians are starting to realize Putin isn't the winner he portrays himself as.

The economy is suffering greatly. 

The Russian people aren't likely to storm the Kremlin, but it becomes more and more likely that powerful Russians will throw him out a window.

Edited September 15 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Just now, NoDisplayName said:

 

You misspelled "was."

 

Eight years of indiscriminate shelling did indeed have consequences.  That region has voted to join the Russian Federation.  Democracy is bad now?

Illegal vote not recognized internationally.

Don't even bother suggesting it was anything else.

[impulse]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Again, it's not over.

Putin was going to take Kyiv in two days.

I have nothing really to say to people like you spreading such blatant misinformation.

I don't understand your motivation to do that either.

 

Putin faked toward Kiev to scare Zelenskyy and company into packing up and moving to one of their foreign mansions.  It didn't work because Nuland et. al. convinced Zelenskyy to stay and fight.

 

[CANSIAM]

Have the long range US and UK missiles been given the  'ok' to launch into Russian turf ? That will test Putins temper....

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Putin faked toward Kiev to scare Zelenskyy and company into packing up and moving to one of their foreign mansions.  It didn't work because Nuland et. al. convinced Zelenskyy to stay and fight.

 

Total lies. Zelinsky decided to stay himself. I get you know. Trumpist propaganda. You said you're not happy to see Russia win. I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU. 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

Have the long range US and UK missiles been given the  'ok' to launch into Russian turf ? That will test Putins temper....

Soon. Very soon.

The rationale and it's a good one is IRAN. 

[Jingthing]

To be clear. 

I am not predicting the war outcome.

I am saying I want Ukraine to win and I'm also saying that it's possible for Ukraine to win. 

The US election is a big deal here and also continued western support without constraints.

Unfortunately,  there is bad news on that front -- Germany.

But the balancing good news is that Ukraine is building their own strong internal weapons building machine so if Trump loses and Ukraine can make it to the winter, things could be very different in the spring. 

Edited September 15 by Jingthing

[gargamon]

1 hour ago, novacova said:

You mean by winning the war thousands more will need to die. How about stop funding the war and save lives…seek peace not war, or did you forget that somewhere along the way?

The Ukrainians have been under Russian rule in the past and will fight to the last man before surrendering. 

 

Better dead than red.

Edited September 15 by gargamon

[NoDisplayName]

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Illegal vote not recognized internationally.

Don't even bother suggesting it was anything else.

 

Well, of course it wasn't recognized!

Our guy didn't win.

That makes it invalid, y'know.

 

[BangkokReady]

Lol.  "Trump wants Russia to win the war with Ukraine.  Don't vote for him."

 

Nice political propaganda...  🙄

[Ralf001]

Yeah Russia will get up for sure.

[Jingthing]

The "peace plan" that Vance describes is absolutely a win for Russia. So yes Trump does want Russia to win. DISGUSTING but true.

[Will B Good]

 

Just voted.....six....yes, six people have voted that they want Russia to win......WT......?

[Hummin]

18 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Lol.  "Trump wants Russia to win the war with Ukraine.  Don't vote for him."

 

Nice political propaganda...  🙄

Do you also believe there wouldnt been a war if Trump was in the seat for his second term? 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Just voted.....six....yes, six people have voted that they want Russia to win......WT......?

Well it's not news that we have both Trump type cultists here and also some full blown Z people from Putinlandia. 

[BangkokReady]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Do you also believe there wouldnt been a war if Trump was in the seat for his second term? 

 

No idea, but I can see these left-wing "If you don't say what we want you to say, then we're going to claim that that means you're saying something else" blackmail tactics a mile off.  Pretty sad.  Really nasty witch-hunt style stuff.

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

No idea, but I can see these left-wing "If you don't say what we want you to say, then we're going to claim that that means you're saying something else" blackmail tactics a mile off.  Pretty sad.  Really nasty witch-hunt style stuff.

Vance have stated what he think is Trump's solution, and that is victory to Russia. Nothing between

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Vance have stated what he think is Trump's solution, and that is victory to Russia. Nothing between

Exactly.

Anyone with a brain knew that before but Trump had refused to describe the solution preferring to be mysterious and excite fans magical thinking of him as God figure. Vance I think stupidly spelled it out. 

Remember when republicans weren't surrender monkeys? 

I see that not even the Putin fans here have bothered to suggest that the Vance "peace plan" is anything other than a massive victory for Russia with NOTHING for Ukraine in return.

Edited September 15 by Jingthing