Hurricane Helene

[Danderman123]

This topic is in the Political section because the governor of Florida has eliminated mention of Climate Change in the government. Now, this monster hurricane, fueled by excessively warm ocean water, is bearing down on Tallahassee, the state capitol.

 

20 foot waves are predicted at landfall.

 

Unless there is a miracle, the area between the ocean and Tallahassee is going to be flooded, maybe Tallahassee too.

 

This one is going to kill a lot of the people who hunker down in their homes. Now is the time to get out of town.

[Danderman123]

Good advice for anyone planning to ride out the hurricane.

[Danderman123]

Helene is now Category 4, and barreling towards Tallahassee. This will not be fun.

 

There could be mass casualties along the coast, due to people staying in their homes rather than going to high ground. There may be 50 foot waves hitting houses near the ocean.

 

There are reservoirs north of Tallahassee that may overflow, which will add to the flooding.

[jerrymahoney]

When I lived in central Florida, people would ask: Why live in Florida and not near the Gulf or Atlantic coast? I would reply: You never see one of these signs pointing toward the water.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

This topic is in the Political section because the governor of Florida has eliminated mention of Climate Change in the government. Now, this monster hurricane, fueled by excessively warm ocean water, is bearing down on Tallahassee, the state capitol.

 

Unless the governor has also banned mention of the hurricane or its size, climate change is irrelevant, whatever causes it.

You are trying to use a hurricane to score cheap political points IMO.

[Danderman123]

On 9/26/2024 at 8:52 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Unless the governor has also banned mention of the hurricane or its size, climate change is irrelevant, whatever causes it.

You are trying to use a hurricane to score cheap political points IMO.

These hurricanes are becoming more frequent and more powerful because of warming ocean waters. Do you disagree?

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

These hurricanes are becoming more frequent and more powerful because of warming ocean waters. Do you disagree?

 

 

I don't disagree. However you have no proof that man kind caused it. Weather changes whatever humans do, and buying Elon's junk cars isn't going to change that.

[Danderman123]

25 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't disagree. However you have no proof that man kind caused it. Weather changes whatever humans do, and buying Elon's junk cars isn't going to change that.

Well, at least you agree that the oceans are warming.

 

Trump claims they are cooling.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Well, at least you agree that the oceans are warming.

 

Trump claims they are cooling.

Everyone knows Trump spouts rubbish. Doesn't matter what he says anyway. He's popular because he wants to drain the swamp, not because he talks sense.

[stevenl]

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Everyone knows Trump spouts rubbish. Doesn't matter what he says anyway. He's popular because he wants to drain the swamp, not because he talks sense.

He is the top swamp dweller.

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[KhunLA]

It's the weather ... nothing has changed in decades or centuries.  Hurricane Helene 2024 - Highest winds140 mph (220 km/h) 🥱

 

From Wiki ...

... "The strongest hurricane to hit the state during the period was the 1935 Labor Day hurricane, which is the strongest hurricane on record to strike the United States. Several other major hurricanes struck the state during the period, including the 1926 Miami hurricane, the 1928 Okeechobee hurricane, and several Category 4 hurricanes in the period 1945–50.'

 

Florida is rarely spared of a damaging hurricane, every year. ...

 

... "In the period between 1900 and 1949, 108 tropical cyclones affected the state, which collectively resulted in about $4.5 billion (2017 dollars) in damage. Additionally, tropical cyclones in Florida were directly responsible for about 3,500 fatalities during the period, most of which were from the 1928 Okeechobee hurricane. The 1947 season was the year with the most tropical cyclones affecting the state, with a total of six systems. The 1905, 1908, 1913, 1927, 1931, 1942, and 1943 seasons were the only years during the period in which a storm did not affect the state."

 

I drove through where Hurricane Andrew, Cat 5, (1992) hit, on the way to the Keys for some diving.   Looked like someone took  giant lawnmower across sections of the state.   Nature is a bitch at times.   Hurricane Andrew - Highest winds175 mph (280 km/h)

 

Hurricane Irma was even worst, I think.

 

MMCC ... 

Edited September 29 by KhunLA

[impulse]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Well, at least you agree that the oceans are warming.

 

Trump claims they are cooling.

 

 

[John Drake]

From my Twitter feed, it looks like western North Carolina, around Ashville, is the hardest hit. Now time to see if the Federal government is as indifferent as it was in East Palestine, OH, and Maui, where it mobilized lots of agencies, made lots of proclamations, activated emergency services, and still managed to leave people homeless, wiped out, and without sufficient compensation.

[jerrymahoney]

2 hours ago, John Drake said:

From my Twitter feed, it looks like western North Carolina, around Ashville, is the hardest hit.

I know the area around Boone, NC well where my late parents spent their summers.

 

I would not compare the localized disasters in Maui and OH to the widespread destruction from this hurricane.

[CHdiver]

On 9/27/2024 at 1:01 AM, Danderman123 said:

There could be mass casualties along the coast

You are not very good at prediction. I guess you "predict" Kamala to be the next POTUS too. Don't or she will loose. 

[KhunLA]

46 minutes ago, CHdiver said:

You are not very good at prediction. I guess you "predict" Kamala to be the next POTUS too. Don't or she will loose. 

I think she'll win ... hopefully.

 

On Topic ... if lucky, we'll get 3 more fast hurricanes before the season is over, and name one Kamala ... 

[Screaming]

15 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

These hurricanes are becoming more frequent and more powerful because of warming ocean waters. Do you disagree?

 

 

More climate nonsense. This year has seen only one major hurricane so far in Florida, much less than usual.

[candide]

Note that this happens again under Biden's watch! 😀

[Danderman123]

The reports from North Carolina are awful, but what worries me are the places that aren't reporting. I suspect that there are big problems that we haven't heard about.

[John Drake]

15 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The reports from North Carolina are awful, but what worries me are the places that aren't reporting. I suspect that there are big problems that we haven't heard about.

 

A former colleague of mine at Mahidol just moved to Asheville about four months ago. Only this morning did he manage to get out a message on FB. Says the area does look like a hurricane hit it. No power, no food, no water. Says it will be a couple of weeks before everything is minimally functioning. Went out in the pickup truck he just bought to go to a nearby town to try and find food, water, and cigarettes. If you live in rural or even near rural areas, trucks are a necessity in case of emergencies like this. My wife keeps a Ford Ranger at her family house in Chaiyaphum, and it's already been used to keep supplies of water and food coming in during the floods there when things were cut off for a few days. Definitely don't want to be relying on EVs in that situation.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, John Drake said:

A former colleague of mine at Mahidol just moved to Asheville about four months ago. Only this morning did he manage to get out a message on FB. Says the area does look like a hurricane hit it. No power, no food, no water.

I'm somewhat puzzled. We knew it was coming some days ago and it was going to be big, yet your colleague made no attempt to go and stock up prior to the storm?

 

There is no storm or impending disaster here, yet I have enough food and water stored to last a month, just in case.

 

5 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Definitely don't want to be relying on EVs in that situation.

I feel an "I told you so" moment coming on. An EV is going to be as much use as a wet newspaper to hold off a burglar.

 

 

[John Drake]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm somewhat puzzled. We knew it was coming some days ago and it was going to be big, yet your colleague made no attempt to go and stock up prior to the storm?

 

There is no storm or impending disaster here, yet I have enough food and water stored to last a month, just in case.

 

In his case, individually, I think he's okay. He's helping out elderly relatives and friends who lived in nearby towns. Everybody from the area is saying this was beyond imagination. And it had rained already for three or four days before the hurricane hit. I can cut these folks some slack, because I wouldn't have expected a hurricane to wipe out two inland areas either. It's the coastal residencies I don't understand. They just keep rebuilding and repeating the same old mistakes year after year--because insurance pays for it. Beach homes and beach businesses I think should be prohibited. In the past, that's why you had shacks for homes and businesses along the coast instead of multimillion dollar beach mansions.

[Danderman123]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm somewhat puzzled. We knew it was coming some days ago and it was going to be big, yet your colleague made no attempt to go and stock up prior to the storm?

 

There is no storm or impending disaster here, yet I have enough food and water stored to last a month, just in case.

 

I feel an "I told you so" moment coming on. An EV is going to be as much use as a wet newspaper to hold off a burglar.

 

 

The storm wasn't supposed to come anywhere near North Carolina, it veered east after landfall. 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

In his case, individually, I think he's okay. He's helping out elderly relatives and friends who lived in nearby towns. Everybody from the area is saying this was beyond imagination. And it had rained already for three or four days before the hurricane hit. I can cut these folks some slack, because I wouldn't have expected a hurricane to wipe out two inland areas either. It's the coastal residencies I don't understand. They just keep rebuilding and repeating the same old mistakes year after year--because insurance pays for it. Beach homes and beach businesses I think should be prohibited. In the past, that's why you had shacks for homes and businesses along the coast instead of multimillion dollar beach mansions.

Fair enough. However it's basic preparedness for the unexpected to have some supplies. The Mormons have stores for a full year. It's not expensive to have some canned food that doesn't need heating to eat and some bottles of water, and a basic first aid kit.

I'd have thought in a hurricane zone most would do that.

 

Perhaps having lots of money does not impart common sense. Surely time for insurance companies to refuse for property on the coast.

 

Everybody from the area is saying this was beyond imagination

Not so. Worse in the past. Those that forget the past are condemned to repeat it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane

[jerrymahoney]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd have thought in a hurricane zone most would do that.

While people can always be better prepared, referring to mountainous western North Carolina as a 'hurricane zone' and then talking of Galveston sitting lowland on the Gulf of Mexico is a bit of a stretch.

 

 

Edited October 1 by jerrymahoney

[jerrymahoney]

2020 North Carolina Presidential election -- western NC 'Hurricane Helene' to the left with the 2 blue spots Asheville and Boone:

[Cryingdick]

If a hurricane hits hard and wipes an entire region out does it make a sound in California at big donor events>

[John Drake]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Fair enough. However it's basic preparedness for the unexpected to have some supplies. The Mormons have stores for a full year. It's not expensive to have some canned food that doesn't need heating to eat and some bottles of water, and a basic first aid kit.

 

 

Supplies don't matter when they and your house are either under six feet of water or completely washed away. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

While people can always be better prepared, referring to mountainous western North Carolina as a 'hurricane zone' and then talking of Galveston sitting lowland on the Gulf of Mexico is a bit of a stretch.

 

 

I wasn't referring to the geography, but to the strength of storms. Galveston happened long before climate change became a cult word.