Traffic Camera Fine Wrong

[Coota]

I recently received a Traffic Ticket for running a red light. They sent me the notice with a couple of photos of my vehicle in the intersection when the light was red. I was turning right and the traffic in front of me had stopped, forcing me to become stationary in the intersection until the traffic in front of me moved. 

 

I have attached the "Evidence" photos here.  The problem is, the photos do not show me entering the intersection against a red light, they show me inside the intersection while the light was red. I believe they have not proven via the photo evidence that I comitted the offence.

 

Has anyone had experience in contesting a traffic camera fine? What is the procedure?

 

 

[marin]

Looks to me like you ran it. Common though here to follow the car in front of you. 

[Coota]

2 minutes ago, marin said:

Looks to me like you ran it. Common though here to follow the car in front of you. 

How the hell can you conclude that I ran it from that photo? You are guessing or agitating. I await your reply with your points of proof.

 

[motdaeng]

you are not allowed to enter a intersection when traffic is stocked ... yellow phase is normally a few seconds, you must have seen the traffic in front of you has stopped ... it is just a ticket...

[JBChiangRai]

Aren’t you not meant to enter a junction unless you’re exit is clear?

 

The fine is 500 baht, just pay it.

 

I had one for turning right from the middle lane.

[chiang mai]

You crossed the white line when your exit was not clear, you effectively ran the red, regardless that the traffic in front of you stalled. Sorry, 

[proton]

Guilty as charged, next case 

[steve187]

5 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

you are not allowed to enter a intersection when traffic is stocked ... yellow phase is normally a few seconds, you must have seen the traffic in front of you has stopped ... it is just a ticket...

you just made that up, no evidence on those photo's of failing to stop at the traffic light

[steve187]

3 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

You crossed the white line when your exit was not clear, you effectively ran the red, regardless that the traffic in front of you stalled. Sorry, 

running the red light is just that, passing the traffic light on green is not running a red light.

[novacova]

18 minutes ago, Coota said:

I recently received a Traffic Ticket for running a red light. They sent me the notice with a couple of photos of my vehicle in the intersection when the light was red. I was turning right and the traffic in front of me had stopped, forcing me to become stationary in the intersection until the traffic in front of me moved. 

 

I have attached the "Evidence" photos here.  The problem is, the photos do not show me entering the intersection against a red light, they show me inside the intersection while the light was red. I believe they have not proven via the photo evidence that I comitted the offence.

 

Has anyone had experience in contesting a traffic camera fine? What is the procedure?

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, steve187 said:

you just made that up, no evidence on those photo's of failing to stop at the traffic light

The light is red and the vehicle is in the middle of the intersection. The driver failed to stop behind the line regardless of the excuse. Not allowed to proceed through the intersection when traffic is backed up. Plain and simple.

[marin]

20 minutes ago, Coota said:

How the hell can you conclude that I ran it from that photo? You are guessing or agitating. I await your reply with your points of proof.

 

Seems I am not the only one who feels you ran the light. Jai yen yen, you were twice caught by the cameras running the red light. I have driven here for 35+ years and know the law. 

[JBChiangRai]

The semantics on the ticket are not great, running a red light is not the best description.

 

Your crime was to enter a junction when your exit was not clear.

[chiang mai]

11 minutes ago, steve187 said:

running the red light is just that, passing the traffic light on green is not running a red light.

Can you prove that you passed the light whilst it was green?

 

Exactly.

[FritsSikkink]

23 minutes ago, Coota said:

How the hell can you conclude that I ran it from that photo? You are guessing or agitating. I await your reply with your points of proof.

 

The thing is that YOU need to prove that you didn't run it.

[Ralf001]

yeah you guilty, pay the fine.... or not, up to you.

[steve187]

1 minute ago, chiang mai said:

Can you prove that you passed the light whilst it was green?

 

Exactly.

the prosecutors need to prove you failed to stop at the red light ( in the UK the offence is failing to stop at the white line) you don't have to prove the lights were green when you passed

 

Exactly

[novacova]

32 minutes ago, Coota said:

I have attached the "Evidence" What is the procedure?

Pay the minuscule fine.

[JBChiangRai]

They may only show you one but they take 2 photos with a 2 second interval, the first one the instant it goes red.

 

You were most likely stationary in both photos.

 

The lesson you need to learn is don’t enter the junction unless your exit is clear.

[chiang mai]

3 minutes ago, steve187 said:

the prosecutors need to prove you failed to stop at the red light ( in the UK the offence is failing to stop at the white line) you don't have to prove the lights were green when you passed

 

Exactly

You tell them that, let us know what they say.

[Coota]

11 minutes ago, marin said:

Seems I am not the only one who feels you ran the light. Jai yen yen, you were twice caught by the cameras running the red light. I have driven here for 35+ years and know the law. 

I am a retired Cop, 25 years in the job and there is no proof that I entered the intersection under a red light. The evidence cannot support the charge. The evidence photos need to show my car at the white line when the lights are red. That is the law. So what if you've been driving here for that long, that's irrelevant.

[Upnotover]

No doubt you can send them your dashcam counter evidence?  Or 500 baht, whichever is easier.

[marin]

2 minutes ago, Coota said:

So what if you've been driving here for that long, that's irrelevant.

Its sure as hell as relevant as this quote from you..

 

3 minutes ago, Coota said:

I am a retired Cop, 25 years in the job

Then you out to know the law better. 

In both photos you are in the intersection while the light is red.

 

Now go after the other 10-12 posters who say you ran the light, while you are at it could you point out any posters agreeing with you?

 

[motdaeng]

6 minutes ago, Coota said:

I am a retired Cop, 25 years in the job ...

that made me laugh ... that's a good one ... as a former cop, you really should know better 

[steve187]

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

The semantics on the ticket are not great, running a red light is not the best description.

 

Your crime was to enter a junction when your exit was not clear.

is there a law against that if no box junction marking,

 

Section 22 (1000B)
[Meaning of traffic light:
Green: the driver may drive the vehicle through
Yellow: the driver shall prepare to stop the vehicle behind the stop line. If the driver has passed the stop line when the traffic light turns yellow, he may go through.
Red: the driver shall stop the vehicle behind the stop line.

[Crossy]

Is it really worth the stress and hassle?

Pay the fine and be happy that the driver in the black truck behind you also got one.

 

I've never had a red-light photo and only one speeding (122 in a 120 limit for flips sake). It's white-line cameras that are my nemesis, I seem to find new ones on a regular basis 😞 

[steve187]

19 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

You tell them that, let us know what they say.

do you think i am the op

[motdaeng]

Just now, steve187 said:

do you think i am the op

 

are you also a fromer cop ... sorry, just kidding 

[steve187]

Just now, motdaeng said:

 

are you also a fromer cop ... sorry, just kidding 

yes a former traffic cop

[Coota]

I entered the intersection, most likely when the light was orange but it was not safe to stop suddenly as the car behind me in the photo was too close and he may have collided with me. Entering an intersection on an orange light is not illegal. The traffic in front of me was moving but stopped suddenly when a car decided to try to turn right or do a uturn up ahead and there was not enough room for traffic to get past it. So, nothing illegal there as I entered the intersection with traffic moving in front of me.

 

As far as @motdaeng and his comment, I do know better and post something intelligent instead of attacking the man next time.

 

 

[chiang mai]

2 minutes ago, Coota said:

I entered the intersection, most likely when the light was orange but it was not safe to stop suddenly as the car behind me in the photo was too close and he may have collided with me. Entering an intersection on an orange light is not illegal. The traffic in front of me was moving but stopped suddenly when a car decided to try to turn right or do a uturn up ahead and there was not enough room for traffic to get past it. So, nothing illegal there as I entered the intersection with traffic moving in front of me.

 

As far as @motdaeng and his comment, I do know better and post something intelligent instead of attacking the man next time.

 

 

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