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A Sri Lankan man was arrested in Wichit after he was found illegally building a house.

 

The Phuket Immigration told the Phuket Express that this week they arrested MR. K PIYARALALA, a Sri Lankan national, at an under-construction house near a beach in Ao Makham in Wichit.

 

He was found building a house. He was taken to the Wichit Police Station to face the charge of working without legal permission.

 

By Goongnang Suksawat

 

Full story: THE PHUKET EXPRESS 

-- 2024-10-12

 

 

[Foxx]

I guess my response to this depends upon whether he was building something for himself, or whether he was working for hire.

If the former, any foreigner who does anything to improve their home is potentially a criminal.

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, Foxx said:

I guess my response to this depends upon whether he was building something for himself, or whether he was working for hire.

If the former, any foreigner who does anything to improve their home is potentially a criminal.

For me it seems clear.
 

 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

12 minutes ago, Foxx said:

I guess my response to this depends upon whether he was building something for himself, or whether he was working for hire.

If the former, any foreigner who does anything to improve their home is potentially a criminal.

Indeed.

I recall a guy in Chiang Mai who was doing some gardening work in his house (that the wife owned) and one of the neighbours was complaining. His wife translated and he got her to try and explain to the woman that he was not 'working' (employed) and that only doing basic gardening stuff. He also got her to ask the woman if it was OK when he drove their car or cooked a Thai meal. The woman reluctantly accepted that although some jobs were reserved for Thais only (such as a driver or a cook), he was not employed and was not being paid.

 

Unfortunately, a lot of Thais think Expats are not allowed to do those things - when the Law is very clear that they are not allowed to be employed/work in certain roles. In this case, the guy does not have the necessary licences/certifications to build a house.

[hotchilli]

2 hours ago, Foxx said:

I guess my response to this depends upon whether he was building something for himself, or whether he was working for hire.

If the former, any foreigner who does anything to improve their home is potentially a criminal.

Sounds more like the latter.

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, Foxx said:

I guess my response to this depends upon whether he was building something for himself, or whether he was working for hire.

If the former, any foreigner who does anything to improve their home is potentially a criminal.

"...any foreigner who does anything to improve their home is potentially a criminal".

Nonsense.

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, Foxx said:

I guess my response to this depends upon whether he was building something for himself, or whether he was working for hire.

There was not the slightest suggestion that he was working on his own property.

[Foxx]

35 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

There was not the slightest suggestion that he was working on his own property.

 

Yes there was.  In my experience, building a house commercially is seldom a one man job.  The original post didn't mention any other workers or an employer.

 

(That said, user stevenl subsequently provided additional information suggesting that it was indeed a commercial arrangement.)

[MikeandDow]

4 hours ago, Foxx said:

I guess my response to this depends upon whether he was building something for himself, or whether he was working for hire.

If the former, any foreigner who does anything to improve their home is potentially a criminal.

Does not matter if he was working for himself or paid work if he did not have a work permit then  he is a criminal

[MikeandDow]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

 

Yes there was.  In my experience, building a house commercially is seldom a one man job.  The original post didn't mention any other workers or an employer.

 

(That said, user stevenl subsequently provided additional information suggesting that it was indeed a commercial arrangement.)

makes no difference no work permit he is out

[MikeandDow]

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"...any foreigner who does anything to improve their home is potentially a criminal".

Nonsense.

you need to read the labor laws working on anything with out a work permit is a criminal act  seen plenty of guys gone for cutting the front lawn, changing light bulb  there are plenty of posts on here about the exact same thing use the search read the definition of work in Thailand

[MikeandDow]

4 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Indeed.

I recall a guy in Chiang Mai who was doing some gardening work in his house (that the wife owned) and one of the neighbours was complaining. His wife translated and he got her to try and explain to the woman that he was not 'working' (employed) and that only doing basic gardening stuff. He also got her to ask the woman if it was OK when he drove their car or cooked a Thai meal. The woman reluctantly accepted that although some jobs were reserved for Thais only (such as a driver or a cook), he was not employed and was not being paid.

 

Unfortunately, a lot of Thais think Expats are not allowed to do those things - when the Law is very clear that they are not allowed to be employed/work in certain roles. In this case, the guy does not have the necessary licences/certifications to build a house.

You need to read the labor laws and the thai definition of work by the Thai ministry  it has been softened over the years  the jobs you describe require a work permit  people have been fined and deported for less jobs one case i remember the guy was sitting outside painting a dog kennel  he was deported

[SingAPorn]

Have heard issues of immigration barging into  foreigners private property (villa)  and accusind the foreign house owner of working without a permit as the dude was doing work but in his own house and he was legally staying with Non Imm visa.

[MikeandDow]

23 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

Have heard issues of immigration barging into  foreigners private property (villa)  and accusind the foreign house owner of working without a permit as the dude was doing work but in his own house and he was legally staying with Non Imm visa.

 The laws have  softened over the years  but yes  no work without work permit  the labour dept is very help full  if i was going to say paint my house and i would get in touch with them and ask if it ok or what permit do i need  simple

[retarius]

5 hours ago, stevenl said:

For me it seems clear.
 

 

They should go after the employers who hire these people. In the US some maybe 20 years ago, after complaints of people hiring illegals, they passed a law targeting the employers. I don't know what has happened to that late under Biden but if you look at illegal immigration they had not too much in the first year but it has risen from 300,000 a year under Trump to 3 million a year in the last three years of Biden. I am sick of it and I don't even live there.

[MikeandDow]

16 minutes ago, retarius said:

They should go after the employers who hire these people. In the US some maybe 20 years ago, after complaints of people hiring illegals, they passed a law targeting the employers. I don't know what has happened to that late under Biden but if you look at illegal immigration they had not too much in the first year but it has risen from 300,000 a year under Trump to 3 million a year in the last three years of Biden. I am sick of it and I don't even live there.

What has happened here the employer has not paid his share to the boss simple

and if you don't live in the states why do you care

[MikeandDow]

58 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

Have heard issues of immigration barging into  foreigners private property (villa)  and accusind the foreign house owner of working without a permit as the dude was doing work but in his own house and he was legally staying with Non Imm visa.

The term “work” in Thai law is defined very broadly, covering both physical and mental activities, whether or not for wages or other form of compensation. Even volunteer or charity work requires a work permit in Thailand.

[simon43]

1 hour ago, MikeandDow said:

You need to read the labor laws and the thai definition of work by the Thai ministry  it has been softened over the years  the jobs you describe require a work permit  people have been fined and deported for less jobs one case i remember the guy was sitting outside painting a dog kennel  he was deported

Link please to the dog kennel story - sounds interesting...

[MikeandDow]

10 minutes ago, simon43 said:

Link please to the dog kennel story - sounds interesting...

search  in here there are a lot more  there is also another i remember in phuket guy painting the hull of his boat i found them on here  a long time ago  just remembered when this topic came up

Edited 30 minutes ago by MikeandDow