Over 50 and Feeling the Frustration

[J.D.]

Why would I not want Thai P2P girls to see me as a mark and go for the long game?

The collective advice of the internet for people new to mongering, like me, seems to be to hide the truth and avoid being seen as a target to avoid scams being attempted.

However, a girl who is trying her absolute best to make me fall in love with her and think she is in love with me sounds like a path to the best possible performance in bed.

Easy to be wrong when you have no experience though, but isn’t being seen as wealthy, naïve, and vulnerable the most effective aphrodisiac I could provide?

[madone]

22 minutes ago, J.D. said:

Why would I not want Thai P2P girls to see me as a mark and go for the long game?

 

The collective advice of the internet for people new to mongering, like me, seems to be to hide the truth and avoid being seen as a target to avoid scams being attempted.

 

However, a girl who is trying her absolute best to make me fall in love with her and think she is in love with me sounds like a path to the best possible performance in bed.

 

Easy to be wrong when you have no experience though, but isn’t being seen as wealthy, naïve, and vulnerable the most effective aphrodisiac I could provide?

 

 

Thanks for the buring insight.

 

We have been waiting for a poster like you with the vision and expertise to set the record straight and raise the tone of the site. 

 

You are here not a moment too soon!

you have also come to the right place, it is a topic many here hold near and dear to their hearts.  

Edited October 15 by madone

[OneMoreFarang]

11 minutes ago, J.D. said:

but isn’t being seen as wealthy, naïve, and vulnerable the most effective aphrodisiac I could provide?

 

Interesting question.

I guess the problem is that if you want to play that role, you have to play that role.

Honey, please buy also a couple of drinks for my friends. Sure darling.

My love, let us go together in that nightclub. Please pay the bar for my best friends so that they can join us. We will have a lot of fun...

 

How much do you want to spend to play that role?

[Yagoda]

21 minutes ago, J.D. said:

Why would I not want Thai P2P girls to see me as a mark and go for the long game?

 

The collective advice of the internet for people new to mongering, like me, seems to be to hide the truth and avoid being seen as a target to avoid scams being attempted.

 

However, a girl who is trying her absolute best to make me fall in love with her and think she is in love with me sounds like a path to the best possible performance in bed.

 

Easy to be wrong when you have no experience though, but isn’t being seen as wealthy, naïve, and vulnerable the most effective aphrodisiac I could provide?

 

You want performance in bed? Pay them more. In the end, it will be cheaper.

[JimTripper]

Can you stroke your pud, peter?

 

Forget the whole thing and move onto a new scenario of self-stimulation. You will be surprised what you can do when you put your hand to it.

[J.D.]

You might want to work on your reading comprehension skills.

[J.D.]

23 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Interesting question.

I guess the problem is that if you want to play that role, you have to play that role.

Honey, please buy also a couple of drinks for my friends. Sure darling.

My love, let us go together in that nightclub. Please pay the bar for my best friends so that they can join us. We will have a lot of fun...

 

How much do you want to spend to play that role?

How much is also an interesting question too, but for the sake of the general discussion, let us say as much as we are wiling and able to spend, since that will be so different from person to person. It is the principles that seem to pull against each other in my mind though, not the scale. Would I rather spend money with a higher risk of disappoint, or spend more money to reduce the risk of disappoint, and is it reasonable to expect more money to be effective in this regard? I admit the issue for me is more about tactics than cost, to a point.

[J.D.]

33 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You want performance in bed? Pay them more. In the end, it will be cheaper.

The collective wisdom of the internet tells me that the amount you pay will not keep you safe from starfish and other undesirable outcomes, sometimes. Paying someone more at the time would not I think achieve the desired motivational impact on behavior after the deal is made, although I still take your point. Saving money is really not my goal, but that should not be confused with a desire to waste it. My post is really to try and rationalize what I am willing to do and for what.

[Upnotover]

Go old.  My personal best experiences have come from ladies of a certain age.  Sure you wouldn't want to take them for drinks/dinner but otherwise, "at night all cats are grey" holds true.  And they are cheaper.

[J.D.]

5 minutes ago, Upnotover said:

Go old.  My personal best experiences have come from ladies of a certain age.  Sure you wouldn't want to take them for drinks/dinner but otherwise, "at night all cats are grey" holds true.  And they are cheaper.

The cost is only half the equation. The post is meant to be a more balanced discussion and equally include what we get for what we spend, which is not exactly the same as what we pay. More to the point, how to get the best performance.

[J.D.]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Interesting question.

I guess the problem is that if you want to play that role, you have to play that role.

Honey, please buy also a couple of drinks for my friends. Sure darling.

My love, let us go together in that nightclub. Please pay the bar for my best friends so that they can join us. We will have a lot of fun...

 

How much do you want to spend to play that role?

Thanks for engaging by the way. From my lurking perch you are the among the more recognizable posters, so it was nice to hear from you.

[JK-Trilly]

So glad this topic was unlocked. Cant wait to learn from all the profound advice from others on the best way to hook up with hookers in Thailand, how to get the best bang for the buck, and how to ensure the best GFE possible. Please; teach me, enlighten me, tell me exactly where to go and how to do it. Since it is no longer against forum rules to share insight and advice on navigating prostitution in Thailand, I am all ears and I am ready to take notes. Please also post lots of links and photos to the top venues and mongering tips too!

[Alpha84]

It’s understandable that you’re considering different approaches to getting the best experience, especially if you’re new to the P2P (pay-to-play) scene in Thailand. However, there are significant reasons why you might not want to be seen as a “mark” or easy target, and why the so-called long game could actually work against you in the long run, even though it seems tempting at first.

 

The idea of a girl playing the “long game typically involves creating the illusion of genuine affection or even love, but it’s important to recognize that it’s part of a transactional dynamic. P2P relationships are based on financial exchange, and the long game isn’t about true emotions—it’s about maximizing profit over time. A girl who sees you as naïve or vulnerable is likely to view you as a source of ongoing income, and while she might give you more attention or effort in the beginning, the end goal is financial gain, not authentic connection.

Your Well-being Might be Compromised When you’re seen as a target, you’re more likely to encounter manipulative tactics designed to take advantage of your perceived wealth or inexperience. This could range from simple overcharging or upselling to more serious scams that may involve emotional manipulation, lies about financial or family emergencies, or attempts to extract ongoing support. In extreme cases, you might even be targeted for theft or worse. When you’re viewed as an easy mark, you’re less likely to be treated with genuine respect, and this can lead to negative, even dangerous, experiences.

 

 

You mentioned that having a girl try her hardest to make you fall in love sounds like it would lead to a better performance in bed. While it’s true that emotional engagement can improve chemistry, you shouldn’t confuse a girl playing the “long game” with someone actually giving you the best possible experience. In reality, when someone views you as a target, their focus is on what they can extract from you, not necessarily on creating a meaningful or mutually satisfying interaction. A professional who respects you and views you as a savvy client might actually be more motivated to give you a great experience because she understands that you have boundaries and expectations.

Emotional Manipulation Takes a Toll Getting involved in the “long game” can mess with your emotions, especially if you’re new to this scene. Even if you go in knowing it’s all transactional, it’s easy to become emotionally attached to someone who’s actively trying to make you feel special. You might start developing feelings or hopes for something real, and this can lead to disappointment, frustration, or even heartbreak when the reality becomes clear. Emotional manipulation is exhausting, and once you’re tangled in it, it can be hard to extricate yourself without feeling used or betrayed.

Keeping Boundaries Is Important In this scene, clear boundaries are your best defense. If you’re seen as knowledgeable and aware of the dynamics, you’ll be treated differently. Girls are less likely to try long-term schemes if they know you’re not easily fooled, and this can lead to more straightforward, honest interactions. Many professionals respect clients who know the game because they understand the value of a clean transaction without emotional manipulation. This way, you get what you pay for without any added drama or risk.

Potential for Financial Loss If a girl is playing the long game, her goal is to secure as much financial benefit from you as possible. This could lead to you spending far more than you initially intended, either through repeated transactions or through emotional manipulation that convinces you to send money for things like medical bills, family emergencies, or “business investments” that never materialize. Even if you’re comfortable spending money, these long-term schemes can drain your resources quickly.

True Power is in Control, Not Vulnerability

It’s tempting to think that being seen as vulnerable or naïve will make a girl more interested in pleasing you, but the opposite is often true. When you’re in control of the situation—knowing the rules, setting clear boundaries, and making informed decisions—you’re more likely to have a positive experience. Vulnerability can lead to exploitation, whereas confidence and awareness can lead to better treatment and more satisfying encounters. A girl who knows you’re not easily fooled may actually work harder to provide a good service, knowing that you’ll leave if you’re not satisfied.

Avoiding Reputational Damage Word spreads quickly in certain P2P circles. If you’re seen as an easy mark, other girls may also try to take advantage of you. You could quickly become known as someone who’s vulnerable to scams or manipulation, making it harder to have straightforward, hassle-free encounters in the future. Establishing yourself as a client who knows the game can help ensure that your future experiences are more respectful and drama-free.

 

While it might seem appealing to have someone go the extra mile to make you feel loved and special, the long game comes with a lot of risks. Emotional manipulation, financial loss, and even potential harm to your well-being can all result from being seen as an easy target. Instead, focus on being a savvy client who knows the scene, sets clear boundaries, and prioritizes straightforward, respectful interactions. In the long run, this will lead to better experiences, both emotionally and physically, and will help you avoid the pitfalls that come from being seen as a mark.

[OneMoreFarang]

As far as I know there is a so called GFE and a PSE and probably more such things. I guess it would be censored if I write the whole terms so look it up if necessary.

What do you want? GFE or PSE? 

Because, with my limited experience, I guess you will get one or the other. If you are looking for a girl who is or plays to be in love with you, I guess that involves lots of kissing, romantic dinners, and such things. Is that what you want?

Or do you prefer to tell her: Get on your knees and s my d... And then make sure you swallow everything - or whatever you fancy. 

Maybe your beloved darling will be confused if you treat her like a p-star. 

[Jerzy Swirski]

Hit her with the truth and ask her if she has a friend who is more energetic in bed as her performance is below average.

Three possible outcomes.

a.  She bucks her ideas up.  You win.

b.  She gets you a better performer.  You win.

c.  She walks out in a hissy fit.   You look for the next one.

[OneMoreFarang]

That reminds me of a story which a friend heard from his boss.

The boss visited Nana and when he found a girl he wanted to f he asked her how much she wants.

And then, whatever her price, he told her he will give her double the money if she is really enthusiastic. 

The girls liked that. And according to him he seldom didn't pay double - they really did their very best.

 

Personally, I never tried this. I go for "chemistry". If I think she might be fun, then maybe she is fun. Am I always right? No. But mostly. 

[BigStar]

Sounds like you've had negative reactions to your own performance and possible small willy.

 

Each P4P lady does what she does and that's it. So you'll have to spend time buying drinks, talking, and getting to know each one if you want to have more assurance before agreeing to pay the fee. Now you can just have clips of your fave porn on your phone to show and see if she agrees to act similarly, for what price. That's all you want, after all. 

 

Best is to run through a number and then settle down with regulars. Better still is to find a real partner with potential who's ready and willing to learn. But there your own performance matters a lot more. It will help to realize that she considers the act to be more about her than you. So you got to find out what really turns her on and satisfies her. This can take quite some time. Most Thai ladies don't actually know themselves well.

[mokwit]

18 hours ago, J.D. said:

Why would I not want Thai P2P girls to see me as a mark and go for the long game?

It's a bit like the advice to hunters on stalking leopards - at some point the leopard will turn it around and it is the hunter who is being stalked.

[mokwit]

Rule 1. The vulnerability/problems start when you start seeing things that aren't there

 

Rule 2. To her it is a yield curve - she will forego payment in the short term if she foresees a greater payout further out on the curve.

[JK-Trilly]

You want the nitty-gritty truth about why you don't want to be seen as an easy mark by these girls in Thailand? Here's the raw deal: the moment they clock you as fresh meat, you're not setting yourself up for some steamy, porn-fantasy, mind-blowing experience. Nope, you're setting yourself up for a ride, but not the one you're hoping for. It's more like getting fleeced with a smile while they give you just enough to keep you on the hook.

See, the P2P game in Thailand isn't some romantic soap opera where the girl's gonna put on her best performance because you're giving off this rich-and-naive vibe. It's more like a hustle. You think you're buying passion, but all you're really getting is someone milking you for every last drop of cash without giving a single toss if you're satisfied. These girls have seen a hundred guys just like you walk in, thinking they're about to live out their dirty little fantasy of a "girlfriend experience." And sure, at first, she'll act sweet as pie, call you "baby" and maybe give you that innocent look like she's never been with anyone quite like you. But the second she knows you're soft, she's not aiming to give you her best in bed-she's aiming to drain your wallet dry while giving you the least amount of effort possible.

You're thinking that being an easy mark, or playing the role of the clueless guy, is going to turn her on, make her work harder for you. Wrong. When she sees you as easy pickings, her first thought isn't how to rock your world in the sack— it's how fast she can get you to cough up more cash, and how little she can do in return. The sex? It'll be a cheap, by-the-numbers job. She'll fake a few moans, maybe throw in some clumsy, over-the-top grinding, but her mind's already moved on to what excuse she'll feed you tomorrow to get more money. You're not her priority-your wallet is.

And trust me, this "long game" isn't some epic seduction where you end up with the best sex of your life. It's more like she's laying out breadcrumbs, leading you down a path where the goal is to stretch out the hustle. She'll give you just enough to keep you coming back, making you think there's more to come, but really, she's giving you the same runaround she gives every guy who doesn't know better. Maybe she'll play the innocent, "I'm falling for you" card, but behind all that? She's thinking about how much she can squeeze out of you without breaking a sweat.

You think the sweet talk and the fake love are the keys to getting her to throw herself into it, but the truth is, once she's got you hooked, she's putting in less and less effort. First time might be halfway decent, but after that? She's tired, bored, and looking for a way out the door with your cash. She knows you're not going anywhere, so why bother putting in any more effort than she absolutely has to? You're left with nothing more than the stale routine she's been using on every guy who's fallen for her con. Meanwhile, she's already thinking about what story she's going to spin next to keep you paying up. Maybe she's got a sick grandma, maybe her rent's due-whatever it takes to keep your sorry self on the hook.

You're thinking with your little head, imagining that she's going to be all over you because you're vulnerable, but really? That's just setting yourself up for disappointment. You want the dirty, raunchy fun? You're not gonna get that by being the sap she plays. You get that by being the guy who knows what's up, who doesn't buy into her lies. When she knows you're not a fool, she'll actually try to give you what you came for, because she knows you won't put up with any nonsense. That's when she'll work for it, give you the ride you're looking for—not because she loves you, but because she knows she has to if she wants you to stick around.

When you're seen as an easy mark, you're not getting the wild, filthy experience you're fantasizing about. You're getting the bare minimum, and maybe not even that. She's going to fake it, go through the motions, and then hit you with some sob story that leaves you feeling like you need to give her more just to keep things going. And before you know it, you're paying for her family's bills, her brother's hospital fees, and whatever else she can dream up while she gives you less and less in return.

So, if you're looking for something filthy, something real, you don't want to be the fool. You want to be the guy who knows the score, sets the terms, and doesn't get caught up in her games. That's when she's going to work for it, when she knows you're not a pushover. That's when you'll get the dirty, raunchy fun you're after-not when you're playing the fool in her long con.

[OneMoreFarang]

In case noone mentioned it already.

Be careful what games you are playing. I.e. don't give the girl the impression you want to marry her if you don't want to do that.

Because if she tells her friends and family and then it doesn't happen she loses face, big time. And she won't like that.

And then be happy if she lets you get away with a big onetime payment.

Or alternatively she will pay the guys around the corner to explain to you the errors of your thinking.

It can be dangerous. Really.

[GammaGlobulin]

There are certain psychological traits that are often thought to contribute to an individual's being interested in Fire-Play (or playing with fire).

 

 

And, to the above list, I would also like to add.....

 

PSYCHOPATHY