The key word in my sentence was "slovenly", not old. Regret I did not specify that on my check list. I love old people and help out on volunteer with them. Don't take any shit from them either. 84-year-old going blind and never been sick a day in her life complains constantly that she can't see and life owes her. Oh do shut up, let's go help this man with no legs that has rheumatoid arthritis and has to wear diapers and has whatever else problems and no family that cares, but he never complains and tells great war stories. Frame of mind, Kids, frame of mind.

So you have a problem with me?

I checked the word up in the dictionary and it says careless, untidy or unefficient which describe me.

How are you today? Let's enjoy life!

What we call modern Western society is arguably the first in recorded history that begrudges an older man a young bird. The Biblical patriarchs had their hand maidens, then all middle aged men after that had junior wives, concubines, mistresses etc and it was accepted as perfectly normal.

So what went wrong? It still happens of course, we snigger at silly old Mick, Keef, Rod and even Rupert with their much younger trophy wives but for the normal run of the mill middle-aged man it's a big no-no.

It's supposed to be hard on the women I know but surely going into a relationship with someone who already has all the toys society deems necessary must have some attractions. Add to this that the aging process actually makes a man more physically attractive and the years of experience make him a far better lover.

When you look it logically it seems that young women in our society have been brainwashed by feminists, suffragettes and others of that ilk out of what could have been a great experience.

I sincerely hope that every woman on this forum would "gag" at "even the thought of slipping between the sheets with" their "fathers or grandfathers"

Well, talking about incest.

I believe in the right to have freedom. No matter how uneasy it might make people feel, personally I think it is up to people themselves if they are adults to choose what they want in life. No one should be interfering with their personal lives.

Am I sick? Opinions appreciated.

I learned recently in Germany(I think) that there is a case where the biological brother and sister falls in love with each other which is illegal. They are trying to fight the system. I think they have also spent some time in jail for that. I feel sad for them.

I think it is ridiculous to try to stop anyone from loving each other. Imagine if some societies are going to tell me to stop loving my wife for whatever moral reasons.

It's not just morality, mmt. It's a matter of health, too. Inbreeding causes a lot of genetic problems & abnormalities. Look at pedigree dogs - certain types are prone to hip or back abnormalities, others have a predisposition to breathing problems, or skin problems, or a host of other things.

Inbreeding can also cause mental or psychological abnormalities, like retardation or aggressiveness. I believe that society's condemnation of incest came as a result of noticing that inbred babies were weaker & more sickly & more "odd" than their "non inbred" counterparts.

I sincerely hope that every woman on this forum would "gag" at "even the thought of slipping between the sheets with" their "fathers or grandfathers"

Well, talking about incest.

I believe in the right to have freedom. No matter how uneasy it might make people feel, personally I think it is up to people themselves if they are adults to choose what they want in life. No one should be interfering with their personal lives.

Am I sick? Opinions appreciated.

Errr, yes or at least a little twisted.

I learned recently in Germany(I think) that there is a case where the biological brother and sister falls in love with each other which is illegal. They are trying to fight the system. I think they have also spent some time in jail for that. I feel sad for them.

I think it is ridiculous to try to stop anyone from loving each other. Imagine if some societies are going to tell me to stop loving my wife for whatever moral reasons.

Sure I get that but if its your sister or mother? ---- eugh come on man ... *shudders*

Its not about health, political correctness, nor even social conventions, its just instinctively wrong (well it is to me at least).

Its not about health, political correctness, nor even social conventions, its just instinctively wrong (well it is to me at least).

Yep. It's just wrong on every level

I think i'd sooner sh4g a different species first, abit like the Aussie's do

It's not just morality, mmt. It's a matter of health, too. Inbreeding causes a lot of genetic problems & abnormalities. Look at pedigree dogs - certain types are prone to hip or back abnormalities, others have a predisposition to breathing problems, or skin problems, or a host of other things.

Inbreeding can also cause mental or psychological abnormalities, like retardation or aggressiveness. I believe that society's condemnation of incest came as a result of noticing that inbred babies were weaker & more sickly & more "odd" than their "non inbred" counterparts.

Does that mean Adolf Hitler was actually heading quite the right direction? That he believed certain races are superior to others and that it would be appropriate even if it was to sacrifice lives and freedom of a particular group of human beings in order to make us human beings a stronger species?

Is that good enough a reason to sacrifice the freedom of people? Good enough a reason to impose pain on the particular people involved? Can people see the pain in the situation where lovers are deprived of the opportunity to be together?

Also I think the most part of it is about morality, or else the law will just have allowed them provided they do not reproduce?

I sincerely hope that every woman on this forum would "gag" at "even the thought of slipping between the sheets with" their "fathers or grandfathers"

Well, talking about incest.

I believe in the right to have freedom. No matter how uneasy it might make people feel, personally I think it is up to people themselves if they are adults to choose what they want in life. No one should be interfering with their personal lives.

Am I sick? Opinions appreciated.

Errr, yes or at least a little twisted.

I learned recently in Germany(I think) that there is a case where the biological brother and sister falls in love with each other which is illegal. They are trying to fight the system. I think they have also spent some time in jail for that. I feel sad for them.

I think it is ridiculous to try to stop anyone from loving each other. Imagine if some societies are going to tell me to stop loving my wife for whatever moral reasons.

Sure I get that but if its your sister or mother? ---- eugh come on man ... *shudders*

Its not about health, political correctness, nor even social conventions, its just instinctively wrong (well it is to me at least).

It doesn't matter if it is my sister, mother, father, brother......or whoever. Freedom for them to choose comes first no matter how reluctantly I am willing to accept.

Well no one is asking you to do. It does not hurt you, does it?

What are the things you don't like seeing in the society? Should we make laws prohibitting them so that things come in your favour?

Personally, I couldn't give a monkeys how old the sheila is as long as she carries herself well, is tall, not snotty, has nice legs, arse, shoulders, powerful voice but not mouthy and has the groove

Saying that, the more mature ones with all of the above, whatever race or creed they may be, are a real turn on for this 36-year old

It's not just morality, mmt. It's a matter of health, too. Inbreeding causes a lot of genetic problems & abnormalities. Look at pedigree dogs - certain types are prone to hip or back abnormalities, others have a predisposition to breathing problems, or skin problems, or a host of other things.

Inbreeding can also cause mental or psychological abnormalities, like retardation or aggressiveness. I believe that society's condemnation of incest came as a result of noticing that inbred babies were weaker & more sickly & more "odd" than their "non inbred" counterparts.

Here's a good reason not to..

Yeah, DiCaprio kept his early foray into the world of film quiet eh

Squeal piggy!

Uncanny resemblance hey..

Personally, I couldn't give a monkeys how old the sheila is as long as she carries herself well, is tall, not snotty, has nice legs, arse, shoulders, powerful voice but not mouthy and has the groove

Saying that, the more mature ones with all of the above, whatever race or creed they may be, are a real turn on for this 36-year old

pm me for my number. Tour d d'Argent, Hotel New Otani, Tokyo, for dinner?

86: duelling banjos at dawn? You sweet thing, you. 99

MMT: Brother-sister love story? See Austhaied's photo above. And NR's comment. Or a British royal family member.

It's not just morality, mmt. It's a matter of health, too. Inbreeding causes a lot of genetic problems & abnormalities. Look at pedigree dogs - certain types are prone to hip or back abnormalities, others have a predisposition to breathing problems, or skin problems, or a host of other things.

Inbreeding can also cause mental or psychological abnormalities, like retardation or aggressiveness. I believe that society's condemnation of incest came as a result of noticing that inbred babies were weaker & more sickly & more "odd" than their "non inbred" counterparts.

Does that mean Adolf Hitler was actually heading quite the right direction? That he believed certain races are superior to others and that it would be appropriate even if it was to sacrifice lives and freedom of a particular group of human beings in order to make us human beings a stronger species?

Is that good enough a reason to sacrifice the freedom of people? Good enough a reason to impose pain on the particular people involved? Can people see the pain in the situation where lovers are deprived of the opportunity to be together?

Also I think the most part of it is about morality, or else the law will just have allowed them provided they do not reproduce?

No, it means totally the opposite - that he was wrong. If you inhibit breeding to one race with one race, sooner or later, you will be breeding with relatives - inbreeding. Jet is exactly right when she mentions Royal families, not just the British one - all European ones. They would only "mate" within a certain social strata, the choices were limited, they ended up inbreeding & ended up with more problems than they would have wanted.

The best idea for stronger offspring is to breed with other types & races. What ensues are "mongrels" (to use the dog analogy again), often with the best & strongest traits of both parents.

To address the other part: have you been reading Virginia Andrews mmt? Those stories aren't real, you know. It's very unusual for siblings to fall in love. Society has indoctrinated (for very good reason) most of us with an factor when we think of sex with a family member, as quiksilva, mr BoJ & others have expressed.

Egyptian pharoahs and Ozark families come to mind first, NR.

^^ Possibly your mind - I don't even know who the 2nd ones are!!

I think i'd sooner sh4g a different species first, abit like the Aussie's do

Pommy backpackers?

NR: The Ozark Mountains are located mainly in southern Missouri and northern Arkansas... (there is a) wide belief that people from the south + hill country = inbred degenerates. Many people believe that the Ozarks are the setting of James Dickey's 1970 novel Deliverance, source of the 1972 movie (see Austy's movie still of the bango plucker above; duelling banjos is a fantastic song BTW), but that setting is actually Chattooga in the southern Appalachian mtn range, which is characterised by an unusually high incidence of inbreeding. The results: mental retardation and genetic defects.

paraphrased from straight dope, CECIL ADAMS

It's not just morality, mmt. It's a matter of health, too. Inbreeding causes a lot of genetic problems & abnormalities. Look at pedigree dogs - certain types are prone to hip or back abnormalities, others have a predisposition to breathing problems, or skin problems, or a host of other things.

Inbreeding can also cause mental or psychological abnormalities, like retardation or aggressiveness. I believe that society's condemnation of incest came as a result of noticing that inbred babies were weaker & more sickly & more "odd" than their "non inbred" counterparts.

Does that mean Adolf Hitler was actually heading quite the right direction? That he believed certain races are superior to others and that it would be appropriate even if it was to sacrifice lives and freedom of a particular group of human beings in order to make us human beings a stronger species?

Is that good enough a reason to sacrifice the freedom of people? Good enough a reason to impose pain on the particular people involved? Can people see the pain in the situation where lovers are deprived of the opportunity to be together?

Also I think the most part of it is about morality, or else the law will just have allowed them provided they do not reproduce?

No, it means totally the opposite - that he was wrong. If you inhibit breeding to one race with one race, sooner or later, you will be breeding with relatives - inbreeding. Jet is exactly right when she mentions Royal families, not just the British one - all European ones. They would only "mate" within a certain social strata, the choices were limited, they ended up inbreeding & ended up with more problems than they would have wanted.

The best idea for stronger offspring is to breed with other types & races. What ensues are "mongrels" (to use the dog analogy again), often with the best & strongest traits of both parents.

To address the other part: have you been reading Virginia Andrews mmt? Those stories aren't real, you know. It's very unusual for siblings to fall in love. Society has indoctrinated (for very good reason) most of us with an factor when we think of sex with a family member, as quiksilva, mr BoJ & others have expressed.

nearly always had mongrels. They make the best dogs and are always a good mate. (Google the Aussie meaning for mate).. That's why I've had 3 children of mixed race parentage. I was always good at science at school (FA else though) and i see it as a universal experiment just to see what happens, as you do..I Think..

NR: The Ozark Mountains are located mainly in southern Missouri and northern Arkansas... (there is a) wide belief that people from the south + hill country = inbred degenerates. Many people believe that the Ozarks are the setting of James Dickey's 1970 novel Deliverance, source of the 1972 movie (see Austy's movie still of the bango plucker above; duelling banjos is a fantastic song BTW), but that setting is actually Chattooga in the southern Appalachian mtn range, which is characterised by an unusually high incidence of inbreeding. The results: mental retardation and genetic defects.

paraphrased from straight dope, CECIL ADAMS

Judging by the neo-cons currently in power some of the previous generations may have discovered the Greyhound bus system and spread further afield.

NR: The Ozark Mountains are located mainly in southern Missouri and northern Arkansas... (there is a) wide belief that people from the south + hill country = inbred degenerates. Many people believe that the Ozarks are the setting of James Dickey's 1970 novel Deliverance, source of the 1972 movie (see Austy's movie still of the bango plucker above; duelling banjos is a fantastic song BTW), but that setting is actually Chattooga in the southern Appalachian mtn range, which is characterised by an unusually high incidence of inbreeding. The results: mental retardation and genetic defects.

paraphrased from straight dope, CECIL ADAMS

Judging by the neo-cons currently in power some of the previous generations may have discovered the Greyhound bus system and spread further afield.

And taught them to swim..

You boys are in form today.

Should ugly people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce?

Should unfit people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce?

Should people with low IQ be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce?

Why don't we start governing peoples' choice of love?

A little disappointed that all have ignored what I have pointed out.

Which is more important? The freedom of choice OR the what offspring is going to be reproduced?

Have anyone of you been in love? How would it make you feel you are not allowed to love the one you love?

It is none of our business what offspring other people are going to make. No?

Should ugly people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce?

Should unfit people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce?

Should people with low IQ be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce?

Why don't we start governing peoples' choice of love?

A little disappointed that all have ignored what I have pointed out.

Which is more important? The freedom of choice OR the what offspring is going to be reproduced?

Have anyone of you been in love? How would it make you feel you are not allowed to love the one you love?

It is none of our business what offspring other people are going to make. No?

Should ugly people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Should unfit people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Should people with low IQ be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Why don't we start governing peoples' choice of love? Yes

We must protect the gene pool!!!

A little disappointed that all have ignored what I have pointed out.

Which is more important? The freedom of choice OR the what offspring is going to be reproduced?

Have anyone of you been in love? How would it make you feel you are not allowed to love the one you love?

It is none of our business what offspring other people are going to make. No?

Is there someone in your family you want to sleep with or something?

I see an old woman posting.

That's not fair, Jet is an 'older' woman to those 'younger' women referred to. I don't want to turn this thread into an "Older women are better" thread (now that would be ironic!!!) however, I agree that woman just get better with age!

So bottle it up meemiathai, you're just rying to get a rise out of people!

Did you choose a better woman?

As usual mmt misses the point! And yes I did marry a better woman! Although she's younger than me, she is getting older (aren't we all!!!) but she still gets better with age!

Should ugly people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Should unfit people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Should people with low IQ be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Why don't we start governing peoples' choice of love? Yes

We must protect the gene pool!!!

A little disappointed that all have ignored what I have pointed out.

Which is more important? The freedom of choice OR the what offspring is going to be reproduced?

Have anyone of you been in love? How would it make you feel you are not allowed to love the one you love?

It is none of our business what offspring other people are going to make. No?

Is there someone in your family you want to sleep with or something?

No.

I ask again.

So we are lucky that the ones we chose to love are considered normal. And we are allowed to love them and have a relationship with them. But can you people not see that there are odd occasions, like to be born gay, where the people fall in love with the person whom the society considers inappropriate? Do we have the right to deprive of other peoples' right just because we think it is morally not right? We are hurting those people to fulfill what we think is right.

So do people get the point? What give us the right to take away other peoples' right? Can anyone answer me here?

I see an old woman posting.

That's not fair, Jet is an 'older' woman to those 'younger' women referred to. I don't want to turn this thread into an "Older women are better" thread (now that would be ironic!!!) however, I agree that woman just get better with age!

So bottle it up meemiathai, you're just rying to get a rise out of people!

Did you choose a better woman?

As usual mmt misses the point! And yes I did marry a better woman! Although she's younger than me, she is getting older (aren't we all!!!) but she still gets better with age!

Well it is easy for me to miss a point. It is not even my mother language. I see english people misreading here all the time.

I see an old woman posting.

That's not fair, Jet is an 'older' woman to those 'younger' women referred to. I don't want to turn this thread into an "Older women are better" thread (now that would be ironic!!!) however, I agree that woman just get better with age!

So bottle it up meemiathai, you're just rying to get a rise out of people!

Did you choose a better woman?

As usual mmt misses the point! And yes I did marry a better woman! Although she's younger than me, she is getting older (aren't we all!!!) but she still gets better with age!

Well it is easy for me to miss a point. It is not even my mother language. I see english people misreading here all the time.

That's mainly because native English speakers have never really studied the language, they don't think they need to.

(a good percentage, not all of them, before feathers get ruffled)

I see an old woman posting.

That's not fair, Jet is an 'older' woman to those 'younger' women referred to. I don't want to turn this thread into an "Older women are better" thread (now that would be ironic!!!) however, I agree that woman just get better with age!

So bottle it up meemiathai, you're just rying to get a rise out of people!

Did you choose a better woman?

As usual mmt misses the point! And yes I did marry a better woman! Although she's younger than me, she is getting older (aren't we all!!!) but she still gets better with age!

Well it is easy for me to miss a point. It is not even my mother language. I see english people misreading here all the time.

That's mainly because native English speakers have never really studied the language, they don't think they need to.

(a good percentage, not all of them, before feathers get ruffled)

Phew, so glad you put the proviso at the end. Judging from that which is extant, viz, the preponderance of recalcitrance, evidently revered, nay, revelled in, by the English speaking community, we can only assume that there is a 'raping and pillaging' of the grammarian’s pedantry! Either that or no fcuker knows what they're talking about!