Trump Fires Back at ‘Lowlife’ John Kelly After Damaging Remarks

[richard_smith237]

20 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

other silly aspect of this is his complete lack of regard for the gas hazard. One wonders if he smokes while filling his car with gas. He is simply a weak snowflake, who could not handle being asked to put on his cigar

 

That argument is a clutch at straws - cooking is with an open flame....    Smoking poses no 'fire' risk in this situation whatsoever, attempting to use the 'smoking' argument from a safety aspect deflects from the real issue here... 

 

1) Pillock Smoking and getting angry when told he can't.

2) Inflammatory over reaction from the two Thai women escalating the situation.

[2long]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You will have to ask the people who named it "Chang  Phuak market" 

Who named WHAT "Chang  Phuak market"?

I have not been to CM in 20 years, so I am unfamiliar with the place, but is the side of the road a non-smoking market, making his behaviour ILLEGAL?

 

Don't get me wrong, the guy's clearly a d*ck, and I think smoking should be banned worldwide... but the original article (especially its headline) is very 'pro the Thai lady 'victim' and anti farang. That's all I have to say.

[MalcolmB]

10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

With regards to the actual law - I don't think this area (an open air market) can be classified as a non-smoking area....

Well if you bother to read the link below you will see that it is a bylaw that carries a 2000 baht fine.

Now while you, Scouse and the smoker may claim it is your “rights” to smoke wherever you want this happens to be in Thailand and they make the rules, not you.

 

interesting reading the Thai take on this ugly farang behavior.

Some suggested they should have thrown the gas bottle at the idiot instead of just water.

Others suggested a Muay Tai lesson. 
Many referred to them as “it”

Others complained that this is common amongst foreigners who feel they are above the law.

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=868994052073645&id=100068891745615

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

With regards to the actual law - I don't think this area (an open air market) can be classified as a non-smoking area.... But the guy was still a pr!ck for lighting up in that area.

 

 

   Its against the law to smoke in markets and its against the law to smoke in restaurants  an also against the law to smoke just outside restaurants .

  The essence of the law is quite clear .

He could legally claim that he was smoking in the road .

But that will still go against the essence  of the law .

  Also smokers need to be 5 meters away from no  smoking areas , so his smoking was illegal 

   

[MalcolmB]

14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

2) Inflammatory over reaction from the two Thai women escalating the situation.

Yes, they should have bowed down to the colonizers.

There were signs in English, he was asked politely to move along but he decided to get in their face, swear, and wreck their stall instead.

The law doesn’t apply to us Brits.

 

[roo860]

22 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

And freed as soon as the family were loaded on to the plane home.

Missed that bit, where was that reported?

[MalcolmB]

28 minutes ago, 2long said:

What defines a 'market' and therefore a place where smoking is forbidden?

The Thais.

If you don’t like it, leave.

[Nick Carter icp]

18 minutes ago, 2long said:

Who named WHAT "Chang  Phuak market"?

.

 

   Am I understanding the question correctly ?

The area is called Chang Phuak (and I don't know  WHO named it Chang Phuak) and in that area people sell things and areas where people sell things are called markets , that is why its called Chang Phuak market

[BritManToo]

27 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Yes, they should have bowed down to the colonizers.

There were signs in English, he was asked politely to move along but he decided to get in their face, swear, and wreck their stall instead.

The law doesn’t apply to us Brits.

 

I'm not sure a sign hung on a market stall is considered a legal notice.

There are certainly no signs on street poles in that area about no smoking.

 

I mean, I could hire a place in the market (40bht/day) and hang up a sign saying smoking compulsory, and you could all refuse to smoke with no fear of retribution. 

 

What we would need to check the legality of the sign would be a Thai government official, but it seems they're not interested in such a minor dispute.

 

Asking for him to be deported would indicate, to me, some sort of mental illness on the part of the poster asking for such a punishment. Especially if that poster was a anti-Brit Australian Goat in a previous incarnation.

Edited 1 hour ago by BritManToo
spelling corrected

[richard_smith237]

21 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Well if you bother to read the link below you will see that it is a bylaw that carries a 2000 baht fine.

Now while you, Scouse and the smoker may claim it is your “rights” to smoke wherever you want this happens to be in Thailand and they make the rules, not you.

 

I don't smoke ya daft nobster... so I'm not claiming my rights for anything. 

 

And if you read any of my comments with the slightest 'dash of mental balance' you would have been able to identify that I'm condemning the guys behavior, not supporting it.

 

BUT, I am also recognising that he may not actually be braking an Thai laws.

 

21 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

interesting reading the Thai take on this ugly farang behavior.

Some suggested they should have thrown the gas bottle at the idiot instead of just water.

Others suggested a Muay Tai lesson. 
Many referred to them as “it”

Others complained that this is common amongst foreigners who feel they are above the law.

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=868994052073645&id=100068891745615

 

Cherry picking comments off a forum that suit your rhetoric.....  is not hardly indication the general temperature....   You foolishly contradict yourself. 

 

Its fortunate that 'most Thais' are patient and forgiving (as you have pointed out) which contrasts with your comments above.... 

 

... OR after reading the above comments to you now think 'most Thai's refer to foreigners as 'it'', suggest a Muai Thai Lesson (implying foreigners should be physically beaten), and have the gas cylinder thrown at them...  implying a far more serious escalation to Violence - Nice Thai's those few you seem to admire...    

 

 

[transam]

As I understand it, you cannot smoke in or outside a restaurant, or anywhere serving food, I believe 5 metres away is the law.

Perhaps a pamphlet should be given to tourists regarding does & don'ts..🤗

[Nick Carter icp]

Story reported on in the Daily mail 

Of the 700 comments , not 1 person sides with him 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13995773/Instant-karma-British-tourist-ignores-no-smoking-sign.html

[richard_smith237]

28 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Well if you bother to read the link below you will see that it is a bylaw that carries a 2000 baht fine.
 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=868994052073645&id=100068891745615

 

Posting a facebook post as an example of a bylaw is hilarious... what an idiot. 

 

IF the man was smoking on the pavement and not within the market, he may not actually be breaking the law. 

 

IF the stall is encroaching onto the pavement, then they are in fact in breach of zoning regulations. 

 

 

All of the above is just silly noise - whether legal or not, it doesn't matter... common decency suggests that the guy should not be smoking in that area, on the pavement - whether its legal or not, because smoking in public like that is just anti-social. 

 

Someone putting up a home-made sign, does not make something a law. 

 

Any dicussion on the law here is somewhat of a red herring, as is the 'potential danger' to Gas Cylinders. 

 

 

The guy was a loud, rude aggressive idiot. 

The women were loud, rude aggressive idiots.

You... Well, lets just say your comments also mirror the above sentiment on idiocy with your blind bias and absolute inability to see any of this through balanced optics. 

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

As I understand it, you cannot smoke in or outside a restaurant, or anywhere serving food, I believe 5 metres away is the law.

Perhaps a pamphlet should be given to tourists regarding does & don'ts..🤗

 

   Yes, I posted exactly that 20 minutes ago above , thanks for posting it again, just incase someone missed it 20 minutes ago when I first posted that 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Someone putting up a home-made sign, does not make something a law. 

 

 

   It is illegal to smoke in markets , its irrelevant as to who put the sign there .

   Its the law in Thailand , no smoking in markets 

[richard_smith237]

17 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Someone putting up a home-made sign, does not make something a law. 

 

 

   It is illegal to smoke in markets , its irrelevant as to who put the sign there .

   Its the law in Thailand , no smoking in markets 

Agreed….  But was he in the market ?

or was he outside of the market on the pavement / road.

 

That’s not condoning his actions - IMO the law is of little relevance here….
he should not have been smoking in that area out of common decency.

 

But, is ppl are going to get pedantic we could end up down quite a rabbit hole arguing that the market is encroaching on the side walk… is that legal etc etc…

.., it all kind of misses the issue. 

[ElwoodP]

Flame and resulting personal attack removed.

Civil and polite posts please.

 

Troll post aimed at another member also removed.

Please be polite and civil to other forum members.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

Agreed….  But was he in the market ?

or was he outside of the market on the pavement / road.

 

 

  As I posted just previously , smokers need to be five meters away from the restricted areas of non smoking , so he would have needed to be five meters away from the market for it to be legal , which he quite clearly wasn't 

[MalcolmB]

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  As I posted just previously , smokers need to be five meters away from the restricted areas of non smoking , so he would have needed to be five meters away from the market for it to be legal , which he quite clearly wasn't 

Yes, and the Thai would not have bothered asking him to extinguish it if it was.

 

The apologists are just grasping at straws. All nonsensical as usual.

 

He should also be fined for littering. These entitled smokers never carry ashtrays and think it is ok to flick their butts anywhere they like.

[Scouse123]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Are you one of those guys that goes into a bar, a no smoking bar and stands in the bar doorway with his legs in the bar and his head and right hand outside the bar leant over and sparks up a cigarette and says "What , I'm smoking outside" as all the exhaled smoke wafts into the bar ?

 

 

I don't smoke, I don't like the habit.

 

I don't vape or anything else either.

[sungod]

On 10/24/2024 at 1:16 PM, Foxx said:

 

I don't believe England can still be classed as first world.  Look at the capital, much of which now resembles a third world hellhole.

 

Doesn't resemble, it is!

 

Problem is, you wont find may indigenous Brits there anymore.

[richard_smith237]

20 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  As I posted just previously , smokers need to be five meters away from the restricted areas of non smoking , so he would have needed to be five meters away from the market for it to be legal , which he quite clearly wasn't 

 

Yep…. That’s a valid point - I completely agree with you on that.

 

Was the market legally zoned ???  

That’s the point I was making about going down the rabbit hole of ‘legality’ when everyone was breaching some technicality or law…. 
 

I don’t know that the market was one of those pop-up markets that breach zoning regulations or not - many are in breach of regulations, it’s a common issue which is why the legal questions can end up down a daft rabbit hole of uncertainty.

 

It opens to a can of worms that starts to get silly when the real issue was both an idiot Brit & two idiot Thais were behaving very poorly. 

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Was the market legally zoned ???  

 

 

    I would say that it was , because all the illegal markets and food stalls got closed down a few years ago and removed from the streets and its just the legal ones left

[Bday Prang]

3 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I don’t want to work, more passive investing, there are a lot of opportunities here.

Good for you, go for it , what could possibly go wrong

[ElwoodP]

Flame and reply removed.

Please stop both of you, or face the consequences.

[MalcolmB]

On 10/24/2024 at 1:16 PM, Foxx said:

 

I don't believe England can still be classed as first world.  Look at the capital, much of which now resembles a third world hellhole.

With millions of people like this smoker getting around I agree with your point.