UK Pensioners in Thailand Face New Scrutiny Over Pension Fraud

[bradiston]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

My Brit wife got 19 years of NI payments for having a child (you only got it for 1 kid).

So it would only be infertile non-working married women that had no state pension.

I think that is a highly dubious statement. Not having kids doesn't mean infertility. Non working married women do get a pension on the death of their husband, or so I believe. While he's alive, they will get the extra marriage allowance.

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, bradiston said:

I think that is a highly dubious statement. Not having kids doesn't mean infertility. Non working married women do get a pension on the death of their husband, or so I believe. While he's alive, they will get the extra marriage allowance.

Marriage allowance went 10 years back.

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Marriage allowance went 10 years back.

So a married couple don't get any extra?

[transam]

13 minutes ago, bradiston said:

So a married couple don't get any extra?

Folk are now treated as individuals, marriage allowance ended in 2010 for foreign wives, those who were getting a marriage allowance payments were stopped in 2020, they lost the payment...

[kwilco]

On 11/16/2024 at 12:18 PM, Gottfrid said:

As the topic regards pension and financial situations, I was referring to that with my comment. As I deal with decentralized finance, you might understand that better. So, the only one that is ill-informed here, seems to be you.

...and you don't even realise it...but then the one follows the other.

[Dogmatix]

The proper way to resolve this is not to harass pensioners who are being defrauded of their pension increments by the British government. despite having made NIC contributions their entire working lives,  but to pay the increments to everyone regardless of residence. There is no justification for paying increments to someone in the Philippines but not to someone in Thailand or paying someone in the US but not someone in Canada. 

 

My brother lives in the US and gets the full UK triple lock, having continued to pay in voluntarily after leaving the UK, and US social security and medicare.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Dogmatix said:

The proper way to resolve this is not to harass pensioners who are being defrauded of their pension increments by the British government. despite having made NIC contributions their entire working lives,  but to pay the increments to everyone regardless of residence. There is no justification for paying increments to someone in the Philippines but not to someone in Thailand or paying someone in the US but not someone in Canada. 

 

My brother lives in the US and gets the full UK triple lock, having continued to pay in voluntarily after leaving the UK, and US social security and medicare.

We know all that, but no Party is interested in changing the ruling.....🤔

[jori123]

6 hours ago, bradiston said:

It's only frozen when you're found, or you've declared, to have moved abroad to live in a non-reciprocating country. Exactly what percentage of pensioners this represents I have no idea, and in any case, would not be very reliable for obvious reasons.

 

    Never have a true estimate, but Id hazard a guess its the majority of ex pats are not frozen.  Of course could ask DWP as to any sanctions are visited on any "found" miscreants,...never answered, simply because nobody "found "out, or investigated

 

  As to "declared, "up to individual, but its sure a sucker punch when you have self denied yourself for years increases in pension.

 

  Means tested benefits are obv investigated for that £15000 in recipients bank, PP stamps for returning OA pensioners is a myth, as  to being "caught"

[Gottfrid]

2 hours ago, kwilco said:

...and you don't even realise it...but then the one follows the other.

That´s not really true. It reacts on many of the same factors, but no one follows the other.

[ElwoodP]

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[jori123]

29 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

The proper way to resolve this is not to harass pensioners who are being defrauded of their pension increments by the British government. despite having made NIC contributions their entire working lives,  but to pay the increments to everyone regardless of residence. There is no justification for paying increments to someone in the Philippines but not to someone in Thailand or paying someone in the US but not someone in Canada. 

 

My brother lives in the US and gets the full UK triple lock, having continued to pay in voluntarily after leaving the UK, and US social security and medicare.

There is no fraud, there is no punishment, its only guidance and policy, not written in law, DWP regulations true, but that goes on to explain there are no punishments /sanctions.

 

  Admit few sucker punches handed out

[transam]

1 minute ago, jori123 said:

There is no fraud, there is no punishment, its only guidance and policy, not written in law, DWP regulations true, but that goes on to explain there are no punishments /sanctions.

 

  Admit few sucker punches handed out

I am sure we are all happy you are now managing OK on your full pension..........

[jori123]

1 minute ago, transam said:

I am sure we are all happy you are now managing OK on your full pension..........

LOL   I know your not

[transam]

Just now, jori123 said:

LOL   I know your not

How would you know.......?.....🤭

[jori123]

37 minutes ago, transam said:

How would you know.......?.....🤭

  Is this you ?            its on record           Transam stated    .......                                                                                      "  I know of three people that were found out living in LOS claiming their pension as living in the UK. None went to court...Why, because the UK gov had proof which would be daft to contested in a court of law..If they lost the case it's big money.."

    Transam stated                     " Two paid 1000 quid gov fine and had to pay back all the over payments. The third (my friend) did not have to pay a fine because he proved he had brain damage and his UK sister handled all his paperwork and she did not know of the Reciprocal Agreement thing regarding LOS, he still had to pay back I think 8 years over payment... "   

 

        Is this truthful ?  I know not.   You later admitted it was not State Pension,"something else" you state.  No £1000 fine  either.   DWP regulations state Non Sanctionable  for state pensioners, but obv uou (only you ) know difference

 

  No 8 years,6 years max.  It was sickness benefit, sprinkling of Pension Credit, solid hogwash,attempting to make out it was state Pension 

 

Jealousy/spite/envy on the hoof

Edited 3 hours ago by jori123

[James9999]

28 minutes ago, jori123 said:

•  

  Is this you ?            its on record           Transam stated    .......                                                                                      "  I know of three people that were found out living in LOS claiming their pension as living in the UK. None went to court...Why, because the UK gov had proof which would be daft to contested in a court of law..If they lost the case it's big money.."

  J

Would be interesting to know what "proof" they had the these people were living in Thailand.

[jori123]

2 minutes ago, James9999 said:

Would be interesting to know what "proof" they had the these people were living in Thailand.

If you  hang about for a while I'm sure he will be along to explain, but then ,he will attempt to have it taken down

[Jonpail]

Well, I guess I'm screwed then. I've been living in Thailand for a year and receiving a hefty pension. Looks like I'll have to own up and tell them to keep their £12 increase next year! I suppose that means one less massage on the beach each month.

[James9999]

16 minutes ago, Jonpail said:

Well, I guess I'm screwed then. I've been living in Thailand for a year and receiving a hefty pension. Looks like I'll have to own up and tell them to keep their £12 increase next year! I suppose that means one less massage on the beach each month.

A bit more than £12. Isn't the increase next year around 4% so I make that around £500.

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, James9999 said:

A bit more than £12. Isn't the increase next year around 4% so I make that around £500.

9gbp a week, 471gbp a year.

 

[James9999]

5 minutes ago, James9999 said:

A bit more than £12. Isn't the increase next year around 4% so I make that around £500.

"The full new state pension will increase from £221.20 to £230.25 per week, which is an extra £470 per year." Just think what you can do with the £9.05.

[DonniePeverley]

12 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Fortunately your opinion counts for Jack. 

 

Of course the government should give its citizens what they are legally entitlement. Now move on and cut out your racism.

 My opinion counts as much as yours. 

 

Do Thailand give pensions to there 'ex citizens' who leave and go set up and live abroad? Do they hell as. 

 

You got a cushy deal going on, and won't admit it. You are a complete disgrace. 

 

For British residents, most of that pension will be spent in the UK, so it's less of a burden on the country. However, when you are sending it to people living abroad and for them to spend that in other countries - forget it. 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by DonniePeverley

[BritManToo]

25 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 My opinion counts as much as yours. 

 

Do Thailand give pensions to there 'ex citizens' who leave and go set up and live abroad? Do they hell as. 

 

You got a cushy deal going on, and won't admit it. You are a complete disgrace. 

 

For British residents, most of that pension will be spent in the UK, so it's less of a burden on the country. However, when you are sending it to people living abroad and for them to spend that in other countries - forget it. 

 

 

Thailand is a 3rd world country, hardly anyone gets a pension based on contributions from their salary.

Edited 1 hour ago by BritManToo

[James9999]

50 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 My opinion counts as much as yours.

Do Thailand give pensions to there 'ex citizens' who leave and go set up and live abroad? Do they hell as.

You got a cushy deal going on, and won't admit it. You are a complete disgrace.

For British residents, most of that pension will be spent in the UK, so it's less of a burden on the country. However, when you are sending it to people living abroad and for them to spend that in other countries - forget it. 

 

 

So what. It is "our" money. If we choose to send "our" money to Thailand so be it. Where do yo think the immigrants as sending their money. Actually a pensioner who leaves the UK is freeing up a house and the Government can house an illegal immigrant in it and all of his or her family. And they aren't using the NHS. I really don't understand why what we spend our retirement money on is of any concern to anybody else.

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, DonniePeverley said:

 My opinion counts as much as yours. 

 

Do Thailand give pensions to there 'ex citizens' who leave and go set up and live abroad? Do they hell as. 

 

You got a cushy deal going on, and won't admit it. You are a complete disgrace. 

 

For British residents, most of that pension will be spent in the UK, so it's less of a burden on the country. However, when you are sending it to people living abroad and for them to spend that in other countries - forget it. 

 

 

But none of us living in Thailand on a UK pension uses any NHS services, we get far less than a UK resident pensioner, no free travel, and no other benefits eg housing. We're far less of "a burden" on the country than a UK pensioner living in the UK. We're 1000s of miles away looking after ourselves as best we can with no state help from anybody. And proud of it. There's absolutely no defense for denying us the rises.

 

And what on earth's it got to do with Thai pensioners living abroad? A Thai state pension is what, 600 THB pm? 20 THB per day.