UK Pensioners in Thailand Face New Scrutiny Over Pension Fraud

[scottiejohn]

9 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Good thought!

That lawyer chappie posted his warning more than 2 years ago. So total misinformation!

Correct!

I used 11months as that was the last time anyone posted a comment wrt that video on the Youtube site!

Edited November 21 by scottiejohn

[transam]

5 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Correct!

I used 11months as that was the last time anyone posted a comment wrt that video on the Youtube site!

Make sure you take notice of this video, you could even email them to stop you worrying............😉

 

 

[scottiejohn]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

For all we know that barrister died two years ago or retired to Thailand!

No! He, if he really is a barrister, is still posting but nothing recently about DWP/Pension investigations etc!

[transam]

14 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

No! He, if he really is a barrister, is still posting but nothing recently about DWP/Pension investigations etc!

So no change in his information, he always updates stuff....😉

Give him a call............

[sandyf]

On 11/20/2024 at 10:57 AM, bradiston said:

What discrimination?

The first reciprocal agreement was a blatant act of discrimation.

Of course you are free to believe that it didn't create 2 classes of overseas pensioner, those that could and those that couldn't.

[scottiejohn]

36 minutes ago, transam said:

Make sure you take notice of this video

Make sure you take notice of this video

Written statements - Written questions, answers and statements - UK Parliament

Dated October 2024

"I would like to advise the House that the Government will bring forward a new Fraud, Error and Debt Bill in this Parliamentary session to be tough on criminals, fair for claimants and provide confidence to the taxpayer.

 

The Eligibility Verification measure will not give DWP access to any bank accounts, nor any information on how claimants spend their money. The proposed new power instead helps verify benefit eligibility, using very limited information from banks and financial institutions."

 

The bill has not yet been introduced so Cannot take effect in January 25 and unlikey in even 26!

 

And with that post I wish you goodbye!

Please come back when/if the bill is ever passed!

Edited November 21 by scottiejohn

[bradiston]

14 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The first reciprocal agreement was a blatant act of discrimation.

Of course you are free to believe that it didn't create 2 classes of overseas pensioner, those that could and those that couldn't.

You mean those with brains and those without?

[transam]

11 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Make sure you take notice of this video

Written statements - Written questions, answers and statements - UK Parliament

Dated October 2024

"I would like to advise the House that the Government will bring forward a new Fraud, Error and Debt Bill in this Parliamentary session to be tough on criminals, fair for claimants and provide confidence to the taxpayer.

 

The Eligibility Verification measure will not give DWP access to any bank accounts, nor any information on how claimants spend their money. The proposed new power instead helps verify benefit eligibility, using very limited information from banks and financial institutions."

 

The bill has not yet been introduced so Cannot take effect in January 25 and unlikey in even 26!

 

And with that post I wish you goodbye!

Please come back when/if the bill is ever passed!

Did you actually read your link........?  🤭

[sandyf]

On 11/20/2024 at 12:42 PM, transam said:

 let's stick to what the Gov is doing to stop pension fraud.

Indeed, but wouldn't that include legalised fraud perpretrated by the government.

Like many others, ignorance leads to a fixation on the state pension being a single entity.

 

"You are now making excuses," - what excuses you claim "state pensions" are a benefit yet the govenment describes them as "pension schemes"

Who on earth should one believe?

[transam]

5 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Indeed, but wouldn't that include legalised fraud perpretrated by the government.

Like many others, ignorance leads to a fixation on the state pension being a single entity.

 

"You are now making excuses," - what excuses you claim "state pensions" are a benefit yet the govenment describes them as "pension schemes"

Who on earth should one believe?

Weeeell, it seems the UK state pension is a benefit as some MP's are not happy about it, so I just go by what the law is at present...

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/121267

[Neeranam]

How many days does one have to live in the Uk to get the pension increases? 

Is it enough if you are a tax resident?

[transam]

14 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

How many days does one have to live in the Uk to get the pension increases? 

Is it enough if you are a tax resident?

Instantly, if you go back for a holiday, tell them, you get the increase for the time you are there, but it goes back on departure.

Tax makes no difference, it's where your feet are planted...... 🤗

[delgarcon]

IMPORTANT INFORMATION

 

My bank called me today and said that they needed to update my account details, which would take 20 minutes or so and it seems that transam was right to warn us. They asked me if my address and phone number were correct, no problem, but then they started asking me where I was and after I told them I spend the winters in Thailand and Barbados. they then asked me how long I spend in England, to which I replied at least 6 months in Europe, including England.

They then sent me an e-mail and part of the text was as follows

 

What we need you to do

Please send us certified* photocopies of the original documents.

 

We require one item of documentation from the list below to evidence your identity:

• Your passport (a photocopy of your visa is also required to be certified if you are a non-EU national currently visiting the UK and providing documentation to any NatWest branch)
• Your photo card drivers’ licence (if you are a UK/EU national)
• Your EU National Identity Card (if applicable)

 

Please do not send originals. Mobile phone bills and internet access bills will not be accepted.

 

The below options can be used to certify your documentation which should be personally presented to:

• A NatWest branch if you are living in/visiting the UK
• Another bank. The full address of the branch and name of the certifying officer will be required
• A lawyer, notary or accountant (or local equivalent)

During the conversation I asked the lady if I was legally bound to answer their questions to which she answered no, but we may well close your account if you dont.

 

Anyway, I will be telling the DWP about my recent  move to Thailand in the very near future as it looks like the party is well and truly over.

 

 

[proton]

15 minutes ago, delgarcon said:

IMPORTANT INFORMATION

 

My bank called me today and said that they needed to update my account details, which would take 20 minutes or so and it seems that transam was right to warn us. They asked me if my address and phone number were correct, no problem, but then they started asking me where I was and after I told them I spend the winters in Thailand and Barbados. they then asked me how long I spend in England, to which I replied at least 6 months in Europe, including England.

They then sent me an e-mail and part of the text was as follows

 

What we need you to do

Please send us certified* photocopies of the original documents.

 

We require one item of documentation from the list below to evidence your identity:

• Your passport (a photocopy of your visa is also required to be certified if you are a non-EU national currently visiting the UK and providing documentation to any NatWest branch)
• Your photo card drivers’ licence (if you are a UK/EU national)
• Your EU National Identity Card (if applicable)

 

Please do not send originals. Mobile phone bills and internet access bills will not be accepted.

 

The below options can be used to certify your documentation which should be personally presented to:

• A NatWest branch if you are living in/visiting the UK
• Another bank. The full address of the branch and name of the certifying officer will be required
• A lawyer, notary or accountant (or local equivalent)

During the conversation I asked the lady if I was legally bound to answer their questions to which she answered no, but we may well close your account if you dont.

 

Anyway, I will be telling the DWP about my recent  move to Thailand in the very near future as it looks like the party is well and truly over.

 

 

 

Just send them a copy of your drivers license then to prove who you are, no big deal

[Seppius]

17 minutes ago, delgarcon said:

IMPORTANT INFORMATION

 

My bank called me today and said that they needed to update my account details, which would take 20 minutes or so and it seems that transam was right to warn us. They asked me if my address and phone number were correct, no problem, but then they started asking me where I was and after I told them I spend the winters in Thailand and Barbados. they then asked me how long I spend in England, to which I replied at least 6 months in Europe, including England.

They then sent me an e-mail and part of the text was as follows

 

What we need you to do

Please send us certified* photocopies of the original documents.

 

We require one item of documentation from the list below to evidence your identity:

• Your passport (a photocopy of your visa is also required to be certified if you are a non-EU national currently visiting the UK and providing documentation to any NatWest branch)
• Your photo card drivers’ licence (if you are a UK/EU national)
• Your EU National Identity Card (if applicable)

 

Please do not send originals. Mobile phone bills and internet access bills will not be accepted.

 

The below options can be used to certify your documentation which should be personally presented to:

• A NatWest branch if you are living in/visiting the UK
• Another bank. The full address of the branch and name of the certifying officer will be required
• A lawyer, notary or accountant (or local equivalent)

During the conversation I asked the lady if I was legally bound to answer their questions to which she answered no, but we may well close your account if you dont.

 

Anyway, I will be telling the DWP about my recent  move to Thailand in the very near future as it looks like the party is well and truly over.

 

 

 

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Edited November 21 by Seppius

[scottiejohn]

17 minutes ago, delgarcon said:

They asked me if my address and phone number were correct,

In which country had you previously stated your main/bank address to be?

Have you now changed any of that info?

[delgarcon]

5 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Just send them a copy of your drivers license then to prove who you are, no big deal

My D/L is Thai. i think they only want the main page of my passport for identity purpose

 

[delgarcon]

7 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

In which country had you previously stated your main/bank address to be?

Have you now changed any of that info?

I will be changing that info next month. Im not looking for advice here, Im just letting you all know that big brother is indeed coming. get your houses in order before Jan 25

[jori123]

5 hours ago, transam said:

😂.......I don't have to provide proof, you do, to stop worrying over fiddling your pension benefit................😂

The term "OAP" (Old Age Pension) is generally used to refer to the State Pension in the UK. The State Pension is not classified as a benefit in the same way that welfare benefits like Jobseeker's Allowance or Universal Credit are. Instead, it's a contributory pension that individuals receive based on their National Insurance contributions during their working life.  By law you must receive this payment without any adjustment

 

 

[jori123]

19 minutes ago, delgarcon said:

I will be changing that info next month. Im not looking for advice here, Im just letting you all know that big brother is indeed coming. get your houses in order before Jan 25

lol  My house is well in order thank you. There is absolutely nothing DWP can do that effects OAP ,nothing. Stated many many times, in fact look it up  DWP regulations   no stoppages, no payback, no penalties except of course informing  and that will be a freeze on oap.  I refuse a freezing, anyway come back in 10 years or so, please tell how you feel   lol

Edited November 21 by jori123

[proton]

26 minutes ago, delgarcon said:

My D/L is Thai. i think they only want the main page of my passport for identity purpose

 

 

So what's the problem? The Bank cannot access immigration records 

[Denim]

53 minutes ago, delgarcon said:

My bank called me today

 

Called you where ?    The UK ?  Barbados or Thailand ?

 

If they called you in Thailand or Barbados  they would know where you are from the dialing code.

 

If they called you in the UK , wheres the problem ?  Just pop into the bank with a copy of your DL.

[jori123]

On 11/20/2024 at 1:47 AM, transam said:

You can't put anything real up, you're a nutter, how many times have you been removed from here on the same subject...? How many....?.........

 

Why don't you post on the government's plans for UK pensioners to combat fraud pointed out in various videos posted here, go on, real facts...........🤭

 

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Here are some tips for navigating other people’s misplaced anger and protecting yourself in the process:

Stay Calm and Composed: When someone redirects their anger and frustration at you, remain polite but detached. Say something like, “I understand you’re deeply upset over frozen pension, more than likely paranoid but there’s no need for hostility.” If they continue raging, remove yourself from the interaction. You don’t need to subject yourself to abuse.

 

Remember It’s Not About You: Their anger usually isn’t about you. React with empathy and total compassion. Say, “It seems like you’re going through a horribly money-less frustrating time. I’m sorry to hear that dickhead.” Your level-headedness may help them gain perspective and calm down., tell them to cook some sausages

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Remember, you deserve respect and kindness, even when the frozen pensioners display are struggling desperately, perhaps doing self harm, with their uncontrollable emotions1.

[Denim]

5 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

nor any information on how claimants spend their money.

 

So they won't know I visited Sexy Asian Cams ? What a huge relief. 

[Neeranam]

Just wondering if I entered the UK on my British passport and left  on my Thai passport if they would actually know I had left. 

Do they check passport details? 

[jori123]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Just wondering if I entered the UK on my British passport and left  on my Thai passport if they would actually know I had left. 

Do they check passport details? 

no, and even if they did what to happen?    nothing. If on OAP non sanctionable 

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, jori123 said:

no, and even if they did what to happen?    nothing. If on OAP non sanctionable 

I have 8 years to go but will they check my address by phoning me there?

My bank account is at my mother's address and never been contacted by them apart from statements.

[jori123]

Just now, Neeranam said:

I have 8 years to go but will they check my address by phoning me there?

My bank account is at my mother's address and never been contacted by them apart from statements.

Its been stated time after time, its a contact address that is all, no nothing.  All my contacts are in UK too, good way to go.  They never phone, just one letter a year informing of your pension rise, make sure that letter is not returned, they will send a proof of life if returned, might temporary suspend oap until they know you are alive ,but will refund eventually when u make contact

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, transam said:

Weeeell, it seems the UK state pension is a benefit as some MP's are not happy about it, so I just go by what the law is at present...

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/121267

That same singulat rhetoric. Why are some unprepared to accept that politicians have a vested interest in protecting their mismanagement of the legislation.  Only the ignorant would think that the law has always been right.

Your quote

The State Pension is described in legislation as a “benefit” in order to root it within the existing social security framework as a statutory scheme paid out of monies in the National Insurance Fund.

 

Despite what the quote may say, there is no statutory amount for the state pension and the Graduated Pension Scheme never had anything to do with National Insurance.

The political rhetoric is false by omission and deliberately misleading, effectively Fraud by False Representation.

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, bradiston said:

You mean those with brains and those without?

You know what they say about sarcasm and obviously your wearing the cap.