UK Pensioners in Thailand Face New Scrutiny Over Pension Fraud

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, jori123 said:

You think. Been saying this since  the  thread was formed ,was it 2012?  .Its a contributed pension, not means tested.

   Could leave the UK and travel anywhere EU  US anywhere, and they DWP can nudge all they want (they wont)  Its a non sanctionable, disqualifying benefit       Other means tested benefits definitely, but Id look be looking at the loss   ,yes 8.8% is a bit high to judge by but its a loss with compounding something like £82000 over something like 16 years

I think my point was that the technology will catch up with you eventually. And it is an offence to make a false claim. They are likely to want to recover any excess payment, and impose penalties. 
 

You are right that it is not means tested but I’m seeing articles in the media more and more that suggest that a Government might eventually go down that route for what they deem “wealthy pensioners”. You can’t rule that out in the future. 

[jori123]

49 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

I think my point was that the technology will catch up with you eventually. And it is an offence to make a false claim. They are likely to want to recover any excess payment, and impose penalties. 
 

You are right that it is not means tested but I’m seeing articles in the media more and more that suggest that a Government might eventually go down that route for what they deem “wealthy pensioners”. You can’t rule that out in the future. 

No it will not, not for OAP. Depending where its made and not likely to recover anything (regulations  Non sanctionable/disqualifying ) Yes more and more articles, bombarded with them, but its UC mainly and those howls will be getting much  louder ,especially from the 35000  in Birmingham , could include Bradford, Rotherham  Blackburn too.  Good eh!  Cannot access claim forms thru language barriers

[sandyf]

On 11/27/2024 at 7:09 PM, jori123 said:

 

    ...all that too.    If you were in the forces, write to the veterans minister  at m o d,  those guys will turn water into wine for you, from signing up to the grave ,so they state.  Possibly  get you unfrozen.  They also state u have done your bit for the country ,now its our turn to help you.   Thank You

 

  Never understood Graduated or Serps,only when I retired it sure put the OAP up

I did write to the veterans minister a few years back, Johnny Mercer at the time. I got a reply from his wife, his secretary, saying he would be looking into it but never got any response from him, even though he put his name to the APPG.

As far as the government is concerned, if you want to live in certain jurisdictions, you are no longer thanked for your service. The discrimination became very obvious when this was said in 2019.

 

"Work and Pensions Secretary Dr Thérèse Coffey said:
Pensioners in Europe who have paid into the system for years deserve peace of mind over their future finances."

 

Yes, GP and SERPS are added to state pension but also frozen, although being specified as pension schemes.

[sandyf]

On 11/28/2024 at 2:59 AM, AlexRich said:

I think my point was that the technology will catch up with you eventually. And it is an offence to make a false claim. They are likely to want to recover any excess payment, and impose penalties. 

You are making the assumption that legislation cannot be infallible, if that was the case gay men would still go to prison.

The government will only right the wrongs of the past if they are pushed into it, on frozen pensions there is very little pushing.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, jori123 said:

 

   How is it feeling losing at least £60000 quid?

I haven't lost anything, is it snowing at your place.......?.......🥶....................😆

[The Cyclist]

On 11/28/2024 at 12:28 AM, jori123 said:

cannot by law oap must receive pension

 

 

The State Pension comes with a transfer code, something like this

 

????? / DWP / ??????
 

Anyone who is getting the State Pension paid to a UK account,  the new changes will allow the DWP to look into your account.

 

I wonder what will happen, when the look at an account, see multiple transfers out via wise or similar and no UK Transactional data, like the use of a debit card in the UK.

 

The ' Stop Payment ' button will be smacked and a letter will be sent out telling you your pension has been stopped and you have an interview in 2 days time to explain why it should be ' Unstopped '

 

Guess what is going to happen when you miss that interview ?

Edited Saturday at 11:37 AM by The Cyclist

[jori123]

2 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

 

The State Pension comes with a transfer code, something like this

 

????? / DWP / ??????
 

Anyone who is getting the State Pension paid to a UK account,  the new changes will allow the DWP to look into your account.

 

I wonder what will happen, when the look at an account, see multiple transfers out via wise or similar and no UK Transactional data, like the use of a debit card in the UK.

 

The ' Stop Payment ' button will be smacked and a letter will be sent out telling you your pension has been stopped and you have an interview in 2 days time to explain why it should be ' Unstopped '

 

Guess what is going to happen when you miss that interview ?

Is this correct  I do mean is it a fantasy of yours mixed in with a load of jealousy.

 

  I would not wonder anything sunshine, not to be, as stated  "the new changes "  not for SP ,but from your prospective Id look at DWP rules and regulations. There will be no "STOP PAYMENT "  lol  as by law pensioner must receive a pension, not "smacked with a letter" maybe your arse smacked as to false information

  You only have to guess at the non-interview  get on that bike and pedal off into the septic tank

[The Cyclist]

2 minutes ago, jori123 said:

Is this correct  I do mean is it a fantasy of yours mixed in with a load of jealousy.

 

Yes, it is correct.

 

Why would I have a load of jealousy ?
 

Ahhhhh, you think I am on a State Pension.

 

You thought wrong.

[jori123]

1 minute ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Yes, it is correct.

 

Why would I have a load of jealousy ?
 

Ahhhhh, you think I am on a State Pension.

 

You thought wrong.

No,you wrote wrong  

[jori123]

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

 

 

The State Pension comes with a transfer code, something like this

 

????? / DWP / ??????
 

Anyone who is getting the State Pension paid to a UK account,  the new changes will allow the DWP to look into your account.

 

I wonder what will happen, when the look at an account, see multiple transfers out via wise or similar and no UK Transactional data, like the use of a debit card in the UK.

 

The ' Stop Payment ' button will be smacked and a letter will be sent out telling you your pension has been stopped and you have an interview in 2 days time to explain why it should be ' Unstopped '

 

Guess what is going to happen when you miss that interview ?

Found this ,think a tad more informative than  you   . On yer bike as the saying goes  and with a smacked arse it will be painful to say the least

 

but dwp regulations state non sanctionable

You're correct. Some benefits, like Attendance Allowance (AA),  OAP are considered non-sanctionable. This means that even if there is an issue with your claim, your benefit won't be reduced or stopped as a penalty1. However, advisable l to report any changes in your circumstances to avoid potential underpayments or complications. Could well be frozen if you so wish

Would you like more information on how to report your travel plans to the DWP to ensure your benefit continues smoothly?

Edited Saturday at 01:28 PM by jori123

[proton]

Not very often you see something in the Guardian worth posting. This 100 year old woman is on a frozen pension of 72.50 a week. Meeting the pensions minister, which will be a waste of time

 

Frozen pensions abroad: UK war veteran says she lost out on £50,000

Anne Puckridge is among half a million pensioners living abroad missing out on state pension increases

 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/nov/30/war-veteran-frozen-pensions-no-10

Edited Saturday at 01:18 PM by proton

[proton]

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

 

 

The State Pension comes with a transfer code, something like this

 

????? / DWP / ??????
 

Anyone who is getting the State Pension paid to a UK account,  the new changes will allow the DWP to look into your account.

 

I wonder what will happen, when the look at an account, see multiple transfers out via wise or similar and no UK Transactional data, like the use of a debit card in the UK.

 

The ' Stop Payment ' button will be smacked and a letter will be sent out telling you your pension has been stopped and you have an interview in 2 days time to explain why it should be ' Unstopped '

 

Guess what is going to happen when you miss that interview ?

 

They have already stated that when the law is passed, if it is, they will not be looking at accounts unless you are receiving other benefits like pension credits etc which are means tested.

[The Cyclist]

2 minutes ago, proton said:

 

They have already stated that when the law is passed, if it is, they will not be looking at accounts unless you are receiving other benefits like pension credits etc which are means tested.

 

And you believe them ?

[transam]

12 hours ago, jori123 said:

Found this ,think a tad more informative than  you   . On yer bike as the saying goes  and with a smacked arse it will be painful to say the least

 

but dwp regulations state non sanctionable

You're correct. Some benefits, like Attendance Allowance (AA),  OAP are considered non-sanctionable. This means that even if there is an issue with your claim, your benefit won't be reduced or stopped as a penalty1. However, advisable l to report any changes in your circumstances to avoid potential underpayments or complications. Could well be frozen if you so wish

Would you like more information on how to report your travel plans to the DWP to ensure your benefit continues smoothly?

Link PLEASE, none of your usual made up stuff..............🙄

[The Cyclist]

11 hours ago, transam said:

Link PLEASE, none of your usual made up stuff..............🙄

 

I wouldn't waste your time if I was you.

 

Non sanctionable is probably correct. Which doesn't alter the fact that.

 

1. The DWP can suspend payment of the State Pension.

 

2. In the case of fraud, it will likely be a Court Appearance.

 

Not sure if the State Pension is atill payable, whilst someone is detained at His Majesties pleasure.

[jori123]

4 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

I wouldn't waste your time if I was you.

 

Non sanctionable is probably correct. Which doesn't alter the fact that.

 

1. The DWP can suspend payment of the State Pension.

 

2. In the case of fraud, it will likely be a Court Appearance.

 

Not sure if the State Pension is atill payable, whilst someone is detained at His Majesties pleasure.

Gawd  you again !!!,   Not sure of anything sunshine are you  

 

1 Non sanctionable is not "probably "correct, it is correct 

 

2 DWP can freeze but not suspend,

 

3 no fraud, cannot defraud your own pension 

 

   No His majesties Pleasure  gobblygook plus

 

Sending you some smacked arse lotion   NEXT >

[Will B Good]

Cost Estimate (2022-2023) UK

 

 

Benefit Fraud £2.6 billion 

Tax Evasion and avoidance £41 billion

 

How <deleted> annoying is that?

 

[jori123]

12 hours ago, transam said:

Link PLEASE, none of your usual made up stuff..............🙄

Benefit fraud

You commit benefit fraud by claiming benefits you’re not entitled to on purpose. For example by:

•  

Benefits that cannot be reduced or stopped

12 hours ago, transam said:

Link PLEASE, none of your usual made up stuff..............🙄

  Now you know links are not provided  lol     here's some text that obv you know well.  Go seek DWP website           Working on getting links right now   hold on  lol

i.Attendance Allowance

• Bereavement Support Payment
• Child Benefit
• Child Tax Credit
• Christmas Bonus
• Disability Living Allowance
• Graduated Retirement Benefit
• Guardian’s Allowance
• Industrial Injuries Constant Attendance Allowance (where a Disablement Pension is payable)
• Industrial Injuries Exceptionally Severe Disablement Allowance (where a Disablement Pension is payable)
• Personal Independence Payment
• State Pension
• Social Fund Payments
• War Pension Constant Attendance Allowance
• War Pension Exceptionally Severe Disablement Allowance
• War Pension Mobility Supplement

[The Cyclist]

16 minutes ago, jori123 said:

3 no fraud, cannot defraud your own pension 

 

You commit fraud, by failing to update your details and continue to pocket Taxpayers money that you are not entitled to.

 

Like Annual uplifts in Countries where the State Pension is frozen.

 

 

[jori123]

1 minute ago, The Cyclist said:

 

You commit fraud, by failing to update your details and continue to pocket Taxpayers money that you are not entitled to.

 

Like Annual uplifts in Countries where the State Pension is frozen.

 

 

Read above  

[The Cyclist]

1 minute ago, jori123 said:

Read above  

 

Why would I want to read above ? Are you going to howl that the State Pension is not sanctionable ?

 

I couldn't care less if it sanctionable or not
 

Payments can be suspended at any time by the DWP.

 

Failing to update your details and taking annual increases that you are not entitled to, is fraud.

 

And no doubt wazzocks, who think they know better, will find out the hard way.

 

I wont laugh, much.

[transam]

11 hours ago, jori123 said:

Benefit fraud

You commit benefit fraud by claiming benefits you’re not entitled to on purpose. For example by:

•  

Benefits that cannot be reduced or stopped

  Now you know links are not provided  lol     here's some text that obv you know well.  Go seek DWP website           Working on getting links right now   hold on  lol

i.Attendance Allowance

• Bereavement Support Payment
• Child Benefit
• Child Tax Credit
• Christmas Bonus
• Disability Living Allowance
• Graduated Retirement Benefit
• Guardian’s Allowance
• Industrial Injuries Constant Attendance Allowance (where a Disablement Pension is payable)
• Industrial Injuries Exceptionally Severe Disablement Allowance (where a Disablement Pension is payable)
• Personal Independence Payment
• State Pension
• Social Fund Payments
• War Pension Constant Attendance Allowance
• War Pension Exceptionally Severe Disablement Allowance
• War Pension Mobility Supplement

Link please, we all KNOW you doctor stuff............

See you this afternoon, think you are now 7 hours behind us here...😋

[metisdead]

Some baiting troll posts and the replies have been removed.

[BritManToo]

11 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Payments can be suspended at any time by the DWP.

They can, but unless the person suspending a state pension had reason to believe a pensioner was dead, it would be malfeasance, and a sackable offense.

 

Now, I have to ask myself, would a lazy government employee with a nice secure job and expecting a government pension some time in the future risk their income over that? I certainly wouldn't.

[The Cyclist]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

They can, but unless the person suspending a state pension had reason to believe a pensioner was dead, it would be malfeasance, and a sackable offense.

 

You need to add in addition to being dead, a reason to believe that fraud is being committyed, any number of other offences are being committed and State Pension can be suspended until investigated and all found to be in order.

 

You would be hard pushed to prove malfeasance when it comes to the protection of Public Funds, far less be sacked for it.

 

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Now, I have to ask myself, would a lazy government employee with a nice secure job and expecting a government pension some time in the future risk their income over that? I certainly wouldn't.

 

Perhaps the question you should ask yourself. Is it possible that lazy Government employees could be incentivised to highlight possible fraudulent claims.

 

The second part of that nonsense, is that it will not be lazy Government employees that are doing the actual investigations, it will be a team of accountants.

 

The current UK Government, is in a bit of a financial pickle, even before the last Budget works its way through the system. Desperation measures will be introduced in time for the new Financial year.

 

As always, you are free to believe whatever you like, and that nothing will have a direct on you.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

You need to add in addition to being dead, a reason to believe that fraud is being committyed, any number of other offences are being committed and State Pension can be suspended until investigated and all found to be in order.

 

You would be hard pushed to prove malfeasance when it comes to the protection of Public Funds, far less be sacked for it.

According to the DWP website, a state pension cannot be stopped (unless pensioner is dead).

So it would be not problem at all to prove malfeasance, if someone were to stop it.

 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

According to the DWP website, a state pension cannot be stopped (unless pensioner is dead).

So it would be not problem at all to prove malfeasance, if someone were to stop it.

 

I think you are wrong 'IF' they find out you are on the fiddle, I mean, in your case you are, you told us so, they can stop a pension whilst they deal with you.

 

My chums pension was actually reduced to a figure years before that THEY said he arrived in LOS, he had to pay the overpayment back too. That bit is clearly stated on the leaflet they send out.

 

But, if you know it all, I am sure you don't worry...........😉

 

[The Cyclist]

9 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

According to the DWP website, a state pension cannot be stopped (unless pensioner is dead).

 

Heaven forfend, not all onformation is made available on a website, who would have thought it, especially when it pertains to potential fraus or criminality.

 

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

So it would be not problem at all to prove malfeasance, if someone were to stop it.

 

Malfeasance will never come in to the equation in the protection of public money. 

 

Someone wishing it to be so. Does not make it so.

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

I think you are wrong 'IF' they find out you are on the fiddle, I mean, in your case you are, you told us so, they can stop a pension whilst they deal with you.

 

My chums pension was actually reduced to a figure years before that THEY said he arrived in LOS, he had to pay the overpayment back too. That bit is clearly stated on the leaflet they send out.

 

But, if you know it all, I am sure you don't worry...........😉

 

Was your 'chum' convicted in a court of law?

If not, just more of your nonsense.

[The Cyclist]

13 minutes ago, transam said:

I think you are wrong 'IF' they find out you are on the fiddle, I mean, in your case you are, you told us so, they can stop a pension whilst they deal with you.

 

My chums pension was actually reduced to a figure years before that THEY said he arrived in LOS, he had to pay the overpayment back too. That bit is clearly stated on the leaflet they send out.

 

But, if you know it all, I am sure you don't worry...........😉

 

 

That little sentence that says " You also risk having to pay a penalty or may have legal action taken against you "

 

Is a misprint and shouldn't have been written 😀😀

 

There will be a few confused faces when State Pension payments are suddenly suspended