U.S. Senators Introduce Legislation to Counter UN Actions Against Israel

[Evil Penevil]

On 11/16/2024 at 11:02 AM, ericbj said:

 

An alternative perspective :

 

Anyone not giving full support to Palestine following the appalling attacks that began with the Nakba, by Israelis on the Palestinian people, needs their head examining.

 

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

One could say:

 To achieve its sworn goal of obliterating hamas, Israel is willing to put the lives of all Gazans- children and adults- at risk.  It's perfectly correct to, put "that all" on Israel.

 

The difference is that Hamas is a designated terrorist group which attacks unarmed civilians far more often than military targets, while Israel is a sovereign state defending its people from attacks by terrorists who use human shields.  There's no moral equivalence between the actions of the IDF and Hamas.

Edited 13 hours ago by Evil Penevil

[Srikcir]

8 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

many others to attack  and to  single out Israel

The "attacks" in the UN are from freedom of speech. Wouldn't you want to see that among all the nations?

Albeit, POTUS Trump's full resistance previously to a two-state solution between the Palestinians and Israel, and Netanyahu's on a one-state solution and attempts to disenfranchise Palestinians in Israel who hold Israeli citizenship has contributed to UN debates concerning Israel's behavior towards peaceful solutions.

[pacovl46]

12 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Which attack are you referring to ?

Israel does drop leaflets and sends messages to the location of bombings

  The Hamas attacks on Israel on Oct 7 th were illegal 

Any attack on any hospital, school, kindergarten by Israel ever! 

 

I never said they were, but you're still acting like Israel is totally innocent in all of this, which it isn't! Not even close!

[pacovl46]

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

What fanatics?  The US senators referenced are not fanatics. Have you read the legislation? It is  not unreasonable. All that it says is that if the UN chooses to  isolate Israel, it should not expect the USA to fund the UN programs that have isolated Israel. For example, in 2023  Iran's was given the chair appointment for the  UN Human Rights Council Social Forum. Iran is a documented abuser of human rights, hanging teenage homosexuals from cranes in public, beating and raping of women who refuse to wear hijabs. Iran used the position to attack and to condemn Israel.  Why would you expect let alone demand that the USA pay for that? The US taxpayers as a whole object.

 

 

Yes, but that does not excuse countries like Afghanistan where women are enslaved, or Syria which  had 500,000+ killed at the hands of Hezbollah, Assad and Iran, or Sudan which has allowed Islamic militias to kill 100,000+ Africans and many others to attack  and to  single out Israel .

 

 

Rubbish, Who are the senators and how much were they paid?  The Arab lobby payments dwarf the small amounts AIPAC has used for lobbying. For example the Saudis have  spent hundreds of millions in lobbying. Between 2016 and 2022,   Saudi foreign agents paid more  than $142 million in lobbying, https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2022/10/saudi-arabia-ramped-up-foreign-influence-operations-in-the-us-during-bidens-presidency/      Look at what Qatar or the UAE pays in lobbying.

 

 

 

The Gaza  war can end if Gaza agrees to stop firing missiles and rockets at israel and releases the hostages or  says where the  bodies of the victims are. Why would you expect Israel to not pursue the liberation of the hostages and to accept the ongoing rocket and missile attacks?

 

 

You  are expressing your bias. The tunnel network between hospitals and schools and the Hamas videos of their use as bunkers, munitions depots, command and control centers has been established.  The facilities stopped being civilian and became legitimate targets as soon as Hamas used them for their war.

 

 

 

Warnings were given. Hamas wants civilian casualties. It is part of the Hamas strategy to obtain as many civilian casualties as possible so that gullible people like you will have an excuse to condemn Israel.  The vast majority of Gazans killed  were combatants or were aiding and supporting the war. Yes some women and young adults have died. Who do you think operates the radios, and worked in the command bunkers or distributed the munitions? Hamas intentionally billeted its family members in some areas to act as human shields and fired rockets and missiles from such places.

 

So, you're saying then that Israel is innocent in all of this? 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

Any attack on any hospital, school, kindergarten by Israel ever! 

 

I never said they were, but you're still acting like Israel is totally innocent in all of this, which it isn't! Not even close!

 

From the numerous news reports that I have seen  , Israel has given notice of what buildings they intend to bomb .

   Even so, if Hamas are firing rockets from a hospital , then the people inside the hospital must be aware that Israel is very likely to fire back at the rocket source (hospital, school)

[pacovl46]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

From the numerous news reports that I have seen  , Israel has given notice of what buildings they intend to bomb .

   Even so, if Hamas are firing rockets from a hospital , then the people inside the hospital must be aware that Israel is very likely to fire back at the rocket source (hospital, school)

Did they fire rockets from a school or a hospital? I thought they were just hiding in it according to the article.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

Did they fire rockets from a school or a hospital? I thought they were just hiding in it according to the article.

 

   What article are you referring too ?

What school are you referring to ?

What hospital are you referring to ?

Rockets have been fired from some school and hospitals and schools and hospitals have been used by Hamas for other things .

   There is no one answer for everything as all situations are different 

[Nick Carter icp]

25 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

 

 

I never said they were, but you're still acting like Israel is totally innocent in all of this, which it isn't! Not even close!

 

   So, what is Israel guilty of ?

[Nick Carter icp]

On 11/16/2024 at 7:49 PM, RuamRudy said:

 

Israeli soldiers will continue to rape and murder in the thousands and the West will still turn a blind eye. 

 

   I am quite sure that you claim is untrue .  .

There is no blind eye being turned   because your claims are not true .

[RuamRudy]

44 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I am quite sure that you claim is untrue .  .

There is no blind eye being turned   because your claims are not true .

 

Torture, rape, abuse: New Palestinian testimonies reveal horrors of Israel's prisons

 

Francesca Albanese alleges Palestinian doctor 'likely raped to death' in Israeli detention

 

Israeli lawmaker defends alleged rape of Hamas prisoner as far-right protesters rage over IDF troops' detention

 

West Bank strike: Israel accused of targeting civilians in deadly attack

 

Israeli military accused of targeting journalists and their families in Gaza

 

Israeli tanks have deliberately run over dozens of Palestinian civilians alive

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Torture, rape, abuse: New Palestinian testimonies reveal horrors of Israel's prisons

 

Francesca Albanese alleges Palestinian doctor 'likely raped to death' in Israeli detention

 

Israeli lawmaker defends alleged rape of Hamas prisoner as far-right protesters rage over IDF troops' detention

 

West Bank strike: Israel accused of targeting civilians in deadly attack

 

Israeli military accused of targeting journalists and their families in Gaza

 

Israeli tanks have deliberately run over dozens of Palestinian civilians alive

Have you checked the credibility of all those links and the sources? I just picked one because a known anti semite and UN Rappator was mentioned and as was expected from the likes of her that is not mentioned in the Sky News report that she was sourcing with her own made up meme.

 

The Sky News report in question did NOT make  that claim

 

 

https://x.com/CAMERAorgUK/status/1858445622522622173

 

Over the last two weeks, U.N. official Francesca Albanese has been condemned by France, Canada, and the U.S

 

[Nick Carter icp]

18 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Torture, rape, abuse: New Palestinian testimonies reveal horrors of Israel's prisons

 

Francesca Albanese alleges Palestinian doctor 'likely raped to death' in Israeli detention

 

Israeli lawmaker defends alleged rape of Hamas prisoner as far-right protesters rage over IDF troops' detention

 

   All just allegations and we have heard many false allegations by the Palestinians  before.

   You did  claim that it was "thousands" , but there hasn't even been 1000 allegations and none of the allegations have even been proven 

[RuamRudy]

53 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Have you checked the credibility of all those links and the sources? I just picked one because a known anti semite and UN Rappator was mentioned and as was expected from the likes of her that is not mentioned in the Sky News report that she was sourcing with her own made up meme.

 

The Sky News report in question did NOT make  that claim

 

 

https://x.com/CAMERAorgUK/status/1858445622522622173

 

Over the last two weeks, U.N. official Francesca Albanese has been condemned by France, Canada, and the U.S

 

 

Have you checked the credibility of your twitter account? Who is CameraOrgUK and who is funding then? 

 

Here is the sky news article that Albanese was referring to. 

 

"When war in Gaza erupted last year, Dr Adnan Al-Bursh worked around the clock while documenting the horror unfolding around him. Then he was detained. Now, Sky News has spoken to people who claim to have witnessed the circumstances leading to his death.

 

"[The director] told us that the [Israeli army] have full data of all males aged between 14 and 65 at Awda hospital," Dr Obeid said, tearfully. "They told him that if all men do not come down… they will destroy the Awda Hospital with all the women and children in it."

 

"In a brief statement, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) confirmed to Sky News that Dr Al-Bursh was detained by its personnel. On 19 December 2023, it says the surgeon was taken to an Israeli military base called Sde Teiman, which has been used for processing detainees since the early part of the war.

 

"When he collected him, his fellow doctor said he had been badly beaten and felt pain all over his body.

"He thought he may have broken ribs," Dr Hamouda said. "He was unable to even go to the toilet alone."

 

"in April, the surgeon was taken to an incarceration facility near Jerusalem called Ofer Prison.

He died shortly after his arrival. News of the surgeon's death was announced in a statement from two Palestinian prisoner support associations at the beginning of May. The Israelis offered no explanation or cause of death.

 

"In mid-April 2024, Dr Adnan Al-Bursh arrived at Section 23 in Ofer Prison. The prison guards brought Dr Adnan Al-Bursh into the section in a deplorable state. He had clearly been assaulted with injuries around his body. He was naked in the lower part of his body.

 

"The prison guards threw him in the middle of the yard and left him there. Dr Adnan Al-Bursh was unable to stand up. One of the prisoners helped him and accompanied him to one of the rooms. A few minutes later, prisoners were heard screaming from the room they went into, declaring Dr Adnan Al-Bursh (was dead)."

 

Edited 2 hours ago by RuamRudy

[RuamRudy]

46 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   All just allegations and we have heard many false allegations by the Palestinians  before.

   You did  claim that it was "thousands" , but there hasn't even been 1000 allegations and none of the allegations have even been proven 

 

Israel denies any illegal activities of its military so case closed? Ok

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Have you checked the credibility of your twitter account? Who is funding then? 

 

Here is the sky news article that Albanese was referring to. 

 

"When war in Gaza erupted last year, Dr Adnan Al-Bursh worked around the clock while documenting the horror unfolding around him. Then he was detained. Now, Sky News has spoken to people who claim to have witnessed the circumstances leading to his death.

 

"[The director] told us that the [Israeli army] have full data of all males aged between 14 and 65 at Awda hospital," Dr Obeid said, tearfully. "They told him that if all men do not come down… they will destroy the Awda Hospital with all the women and children in it."

 

"In a brief statement, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) confirmed to Sky News that Dr Al-Bursh was detained by its personnel. On 19 December 2023, it says the surgeon was taken to an Israeli military base called Sde Teiman, which has been used for processing detainees since the early part of the war.

 

"When he collected him, his fellow doctor said he had been badly beaten and felt pain all over his body.

"He thought he may have broken ribs," Dr Hamouda said. "He was unable to even go to the toilet alone."

 

"in April, the surgeon was taken to an incarceration facility near Jerusalem called Ofer Prison.

He died shortly after his arrival. News of the surgeon's death was announced in a statement from two Palestinian prisoner support associations at the beginning of May. The Israelis offered no explanation or cause of death.

 

"In mid-April 2024, Dr Adnan Al-Bursh arrived at Section 23 in Ofer Prison. The prison guards brought Dr Adnan Al-Bursh into the section in a deplorable state. He had clearly been assaulted with injuries around his body. He was naked in the lower part of his body.

 

"The prison guards threw him in the middle of the yard and left him there. Dr Adnan Al-Bursh was unable to stand up. One of the prisoners helped him and accompanied him to one of the rooms. A few minutes later, prisoners were heard screaming from the room they went into, declaring Dr Adnan Al-Bursh (was dead)."

 

Have you checked the credibility of your twitter account? Who is funding then? 

 

Yes and all facts from Camera as has been confirmed by the Sky News article proving her claim to be made up in her head only.

 

More facts about her and the below article has links to direct sources before you attempt to kill the messenger of facts again

 

Global condemnation of UN rights official comparing Israel to “Third Reich”

UN rapporteur Francesca Albanese was hit with global condemnation for her antisemitic remarks, including from France, Canada, the United States, the World Jewish Congress, Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, American Jewish Committee, Anti-Defamation League, Canada’s Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs, and United Nations Watch. We call on all other UN member states to speak out against her dehumanizing rhetoric.

https://unwatch.org/global-condemnation-of-un-rights-official-comparing-israel-to-third-reich/

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Have you checked the credibility of your twitter account? Who is funding then? 

 

Yes and all facts from Camera as has been confirmed by the Sky News article proving her claim to be made up in her head only.

 

More facts about her and the below article has links to direct sources before you attempt to kill the messenger of facts again

 

Global condemnation of UN rights official comparing Israel to “Third Reich”

UN rapporteur Francesca Albanese was hit with global condemnation for her antisemitic remarks, including from France, Canada, the United States, the World Jewish Congress, Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, American Jewish Committee, Anti-Defamation League, Canada’s Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs, and United Nations Watch. We call on all other UN member states to speak out against her dehumanizing rhetoric.

https://unwatch.org/global-condemnation-of-un-rights-official-comparing-israel-to-third-reich/

 

I will ask you again, who is CameraOrgUk and who funds them? 

 

Where are the facts in the sky news article about the Dr's death? Can you highlight them please? 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I will ask you again, who is CameraOrgUk and who funds them? 

 

Where are the facts in the sky news article about the Dr's death? Can you highlight them please? 

I will ask you again, who is CameraOrgUk and who funds them?

 

You can ask as much as you want, they are a messenger and a credible org https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/camera-committee-for-accuracy-in-middle-east-reporting-and-analysis/

 

Oh and its not me who needs to provide them, its the antisemitic Albanese, why not send her a tweet if you want to know why she's spreading unverified allegations.