Cooking Oil

[spidermike007]

19 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I use as less as possible, soybean oil

Soybean oil is an absolutely horrific choice, it's one of the least nutritious of all oils, it has a low flash point and it's very toxic. Read up on it and I doubt you'll ever use it again.

 

It's just not worth saving that extra 20 Baht that you could apply toward rice bran oil. 

[sikishrory]

You can use olive oil. In my opinion it's a one the healthiest of the common oils.

Personally i use that but for asian things sunflower oil.

Yes there's debate around seed oils now.

The healthiness of saturated coconut oil is debatable.

Palm oil - Thais love it but its bad for the environment as well.

Heating any fat to a high temperature regardless of it being healthy changes it's chemical structure anyway and can produce harmful compounds.

You can't win these days. Apparently everything gives you cancer. The plastic bottle your oil holds gives you cancer with its BPA's. The pan you fry in will give you cancer with it's non stick surface. The water with it's fluoride and also BPA's etc. The food with it's chemicals, hormones, sugar and GMO. Brun your food a bit = also cancer.

I make a mild effort to the best I can but realise I cannot avoid everything unless I live in a bubble. Except they would probably find my bubble is unhealthy and has BPA as well. So screw it.

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Soybean oil is an absolutely horrific choice, it's one of the least nutritious of all oils, it has a low flash point and it's very toxic. Read up on it and I doubt you'll ever use it again.

 

It's just not worth saving that extra 20 Baht that you could apply toward rice bran oil. 

I don't think anyone uses, eats oils for nutritional value, unless cold or first press, which is my choice with EVOO, Coconut & Peanut oils.  More refined, more heat, and you lose most nutrients.

 

Why I use Beef & Pork Tallow, along with butter, aside from the flavor added.  Oil used mostly for even heating and insulating lubricant from burning, whether frying or roasting.  Helps the seasoning stick also.

[Seppius]

Coconut oil all the way for me, makes great chips, the nutrition doctors on social media put me off Canola and seed oils a long time ago, when you learn how they are made. Coconut oil is relatively cheap in Thailand, about b20 more than seed oils.

 

This From Perplexity AI

 

Canola oil and other seed oils have been subjects of health concerns, particularly regarding their fatty acid composition and potential health impacts. In contrast, coconut oil is often considered a healthier alternative, but it also has its own set of considerations.

Health Dangers of Canola Oil and Seed Oils

1. High Omega-6 Fatty Acids: Canola oil and many seed oils (like soybean and corn oil) are high in omega-6 fatty acids. While these fats are essential, excessive intake can lead to an imbalance with omega-3 fatty acids, potentially promoting inflammation and related health issues such as heart disease
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2. Processing Methods: Many seed oils undergo extensive processing, including refining, bleaching, and deodorizing. These processes can involve high heat and chemical treatments, which may lead to the formation of harmful compounds like trans fats and oxidized fats that are detrimental to health
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3. Potential for Heart Disease: Some studies suggest that diets high in omega-6 fatty acids and low in omega-3s may increase the risk of cardiovascular diseases. This is attributed to the inflammatory response triggered by an imbalance in these fatty acids
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Is Coconut Oil a Better Alternative?

Coconut oil is often touted as a healthier alternative for several reasons:

1. Medium-Chain Triglycerides (MCTs): Coconut oil contains a significant amount of MCTs, which are metabolized differently than long-chain fatty acids found in many seed oils. MCTs can provide quick energy and may support weight management
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2. Antimicrobial Properties: Coconut oil has been shown to possess antimicrobial properties due to lauric acid, which can help combat harmful bacteria and viruses
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3. Stability at High Temperatures: Coconut oil is more stable at high temperatures compared to many seed oils, making it a better choice for cooking methods like frying or sautéing without forming harmful compounds
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However, it's important to note that coconut oil is high in saturated fat, which has been linked to increased cholesterol levels. Therefore, moderation is key when incorporating it into the diet. In summary, while canola oil and other seed oils pose certain health risks primarily due to their fatty acid profiles and processing methods, coconut oil may offer some benefits as an alternative. Nonetheless, a balanced approach that includes a variety of healthy fats is generally recommended for optimal health.

 

 

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[khunPer]

Coconut oil is both good for frying and health...

[KhunLA]

This is interesting, and surprising (Beef Tallow) 

More at ... link 

 

EDIT: corrected, as 902 is for 100gr (see below)

Seems the site makes that error a few times

 

 

source

Edited November 18 by KhunLA

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Soybean oil is an absolutely horrific choice, it's one of the least nutritious of all oils, it has a low flash point and it's very toxic. Read up on it and I doubt you'll ever use it again.

 

It's just not worth saving that extra 20 Baht that you could apply toward rice bran oil. 

Best to use minimum oil anyway but I'll give that one perhaps the latest fad a go

[Presnock]

5 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Lard is lard. Crisco is a brand name, not a product.

 

Crisco vegetable shortening is what I think you are referring to. 

 

The original intent of a product does not really matter. 

still, seed oils are unhealth..yes lard is from fat while cottonseed oil was the first used for shortening.

[KhunLA]

44 minutes ago, Presnock said:

still, seed oils are unhealth..yes lard is from fat while cottonseed oil was the first used for shortening.

And yet ... studies that I posted contradict, the unhealthy idea, and seed oils are not as unhealthy as people think.  

 

Actually healthier than what other people consider are healthy oils, such as olive oil.

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Best to use minimum oil anyway but I'll give that one perhaps the latest fad a go

There's nothing about this that is a fad or a fashion trend, rice bran oil has around for decades. I've done a lot of research on this and it's by far the highest quality and least toxic oil to cook with available in Thailand at a fair price. 

[VBF]

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Rapeseed oil.

According to many medical authorities including this one  Is rapeseed oil healthy? - BHF it's quite healthy.

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"It is low in saturated fat, the fat that can raise cholesterol levels.

In fact, it has the lowest amount of saturated fat of any oil. It has just half the amount found in olive oil."

 

I've been using it for cooking for several years and I find it quite agreeable, and, interestingly when I come to wash the pan, it washes off far more easily than other oils. This tells me it's "lighter"

I will use olive oil on salads, but generally just enough to thin out the light mayonnaise (which of course also contains oil) 

[quake]

Big yawn. 

Cooking oil is so important, in Thailand.  

[scubascuba3]

4 hours ago, Seppius said:

 it's important to note that coconut oil is high in saturated fat, which has been linked to increased cholesterol levels. 

 

3 hours ago, khunPer said:

Coconut oil is both good for frying and health...

Keep an eye on your cholesterol 

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, VBF said:

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Rapeseed oil.

According to many medical authorities including this one  Is rapeseed oil healthy? - BHF it's quite healthy.

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"It is low in saturated fat, the fat that can raise cholesterol levels.

In fact, it has the lowest amount of saturated fat of any oil. It has just half the amount found in olive oil."

 

I've been using it for cooking for several years and I find it quite agreeable, and, interestingly when I come to wash the pan, it washes off far more easily than other oils. This tells me it's "lighter"

I will use olive oil on salads, but generally just enough to thin out the light mayonnaise (which of course also contains oil) 

I think most know it a as Canola Oil.

[VBF]

20 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

I think most know it a as Canola Oil.

Ah...I didn't realise that - thanks. 👍

In UK it it is referred to and sold as Rapeseed Oil

In which case it has been discussed.

[sikishrory]

24 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

I think most know it a as Canola Oil.

 

I was told awhile ago by someone it's called canola because of the word Rape. It comes from the rapeseed plant.

According to chat gpt a few weeks ago when I fact checked my friend it said yeh that's true.

Just now it has answered that although from the same rapeseed plant it is canola because CANadian scientists in the 70s developed rapeseed to have less harmful Erucic acid (Oil Low Acid).

CAN + OLA

 

Edited November 18 by sikishrory

[gamb00ler]

I second @KhunLA's choice of YouTubers to listen to regarding nutrition and diet.

 

Especially the Nutrition Made Simple one:

https://www.youtube.com/@NutritionMadeSimple

 

He gives a very detailed analysis of the studies that cover the specific topic in each of his videos and if he disagrees with other YouTubers he does so respectfully.

Edited November 18 by gamb00ler

[john donson]

rice bran? with the illegal chemicals they use here, no thank you

[KhunLA]

20 minutes ago, john donson said:

rice bran? with the illegal chemicals they use here, no thank you

Don't know about illegal chems in Thai brand ... have any evidence of that ?

 

source

 

For oils, I suggest 'Naturel' brand, out of Singapore and been at it for quite some time, a quality company with high quality oils.

 

I use their Canola oil, and high quality, reviewed.

... Naturel Canola

 

No trans fat, high smoke point (400F), stable at ambient temp.

 

 

@spidermike007 Rice bran vs Canola ... more saturated, less monosaturated

Both not having trans fat 👍

Canola ... High in monosaturated fat (low saturated) ... from earlier posted chart

 

 

[Red Forever]

I use 100% refined coconut oil. 95 baht per litre bottle.

0% cholesterol.

[khunPer]

21 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

 

Keep an eye on your cholesterol 

No problem, that is depending on how much you use and eat and your eat – your diet i general...

[animatic]

We generally use Ghee and 1/3 extra virgin olive oil, or rice bran oil. Depends on taste of the moment. 

[cracker1]

Extra Virgin Olive Oil is the healthiest oil you should consume.

[KhunLA]

28 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

I use 100% refined coconut oil. 95 baht per litre bottle.

0% cholesterol.

Might want to give this a read ... source

 

"But I keep reading that coconut oil is a ‘good fat’

Coconut oil is made by pressing either dried or fresh coconut meat. Oil from fresh coconut is called virgin and oil from dried coconut (also called copra) is called refined, although the terms are not regulated. Coconut oil contains no cholesterol, tiny traces of vitamins and minerals and no fiber at all. It does contain traces of beneficial plant sterols, which may help block the absorption of cholesterol in the body, but the amount found in a typical serving of coconut oil is too small to be healthful. 

 

Also, many of the health claims you’ve likely seen for coconut oil refer to research that used a special formulation of coconut oil made of 100% medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs), not the commercial coconut oil most available on supermarket shelves. 

 

MCTs have a shorter chemical structure than other types of fats, and so are absorbed and used by the body rather rapidly. After digestion, MCTs make their way to the liver where they are quickly used for energy. The theory is that this quickly absorbed form promotes satiety and prevents fat storage. 

 

The clinker in that theory? Coconut oil contains mostly lauric acid, which is not an MCT. Lauric acid is absorbed more slowly and metabolized like other long-chain fatty acids. This means that the often-touted health benefits reported from a specially constructed MCT coconut oil that contains medium-chain triglycerides other than lauric acid cannot be applied directly to commercial coconut oils that are easily found in most grocery stores.

 

It gets worse. R.B.D. (refined, bleached and deodorized) coconut oil, which has been doused with chemicals and solvents before being subjected to high heat, raises cholesterol so quickly, brilliantly and consistently that scientists have used it as a control when experimenting with other fats. The harsh processing may destroy some of the good essential fatty acids and antioxidants.

 

All of that said, using coconut oil in moderation can be part of a healthy diet. And there are many fine uses for coconut oil that do not involve eating it.

Some of the many uses for coconut oil include the following.

• Cooking. Coconut oil is terrific for sautéing, searing and even frying (depending on the grade). Be aware, though, that a tablespoon of coconut oil contains about six times the amount of saturated fat as olive oil."

[zepplin]

On 11/17/2024 at 5:01 PM, redwood1 said:

 

I agree 100%.....Rice bran oil is fantastic....It puts olive oil to shame.....Rice bran oil is the best cooking oil there is....

 

But I have made a improvement on it......I now use 50% beef tallow and 50% Rice bran when cooking.....This combo takes fried foods to another level of greatness....Its so great I doubt it can be improved on...

 

Believe it or not Beef tallow is loaded with nutrients..

 

They used to cook all of mc Donald’s fries in beef tallow, long time ago, the. To cut costs used crap seed oils , and now look at the results, hard to find a skinny person in the USA…

[Yellowtail]

Just now, zepplin said:

They used to cook all of mc Donald’s fries in beef tallow, long time ago, the. To cut costs used crap seed oils , and now look at the results, hard to find a skinny person in the USA…

McD's did not change the oil to cut costs. 

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Some of the many uses for coconut oil include the following.

• Cooking. Coconut oil is terrific for sautéing, searing and even frying (depending on the grade).

Who would have guessed that? 555

[KhunLA]

44 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Who would have guessed that? 555

Depending on the grade 

 

I use cold pressed to make my chocolate, but that's about it.  Eat that sparingly , since high I saturated fat, and a caloric load.  Got to have my chocolate though, and much better tasting & healthier than store bought.  C oil, 100% dark cacao & wee bit of honey.... 1/3 c, 1/3 c, < 1 tbsp, just enough to cut bitterness of cacao.  

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, zepplin said:

They used to cook all of mc Donald’s fries in beef tallow, long time ago, the. To cut costs used crap seed oils , and now look at the results, hard to find a skinny person in the USA…

FF aren't the problem, people are.   My fried tater fix is Tater Tots, maybe once every week or two, and my height / weight is fine.

 

Seed oils aren't the problem either, unless you eat it all the time.   Usually the worst kind (hydrogenated) added to lots of processed food / snacks.  Again, people are their worst enemy.

[newbee2022]

Is this a troll question???😂