Donald Trump Jr. Alleges Biden’s Actions Could Trigger World War III Before Trump’s Return

[G_Money]

I remember when the leftists nutters were screaming Trump would start WW 3.

 

How wrong they were, again.

[Presto]

7 hours ago, thaipo7 said:

Correct in capital letters.  Biden needs something to be remembered.  He does not care what it is.

This has always been a mystery to me, maybe you can clear it up.

It's ok if Russia launches missiles from hundreds of kilometres inside Russia, has air force bases there so Russian warplanes can attack every city in Ukraine it likes from the air, but Ukraine is not allowed to use the weapons it has to attack those places in Russia where the attacks come from?

 

Please explain.

Edited 15 hours ago by Presto

[darbie-foos]

13 hours ago, theshu25 said:

Trump as per usual,all talk and bluster. The idiot coulnd't stop a runny nose let alone a foriegn war.

the best way to stop a war is to prevent them which is precisely exactly what Trump did and the exact opposite of what Biden did.

Edited 15 hours ago by darbie-foos

[Presto]

1 hour ago, tmd5855 said:

You say revisionist as if what I wrote is not true.

Putin wanted to join NATO showing that after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact that NATO should evolve into a type of EU where armed forces could reduce lowering tension

 

Worked with Ukrainians and Russians when working offshore, not much between them, the problem is money and power.

The ordinary guys like those guys I worked with never really get the spoils, but, are expected to shed their blood so the instigators get their spoils.

 

2nd Iraq war and the fall of Saddam, who benefitted, not the average Iraqi or the region, who benefitted.

Libya and the deposing of Gaddafi did his removal usher in stability for the region and prosperity, who benefitted.

Departure from Afghanistan following the loss of thousands of sons and fathers, when Russia left the regime they left lasted 8 years........  The Biden installed regime were it 8 hours or minutes.  Who benefitted. 

 

Any country that joins NATO has to standardise their armed forces with NATO compatible equipment.  Who benefits??

Interesting, but a completely different discussion.

 

Russia uses the narrative that it felt threatened by even the possibility of Ukraine becoming a NATO member. It also uses the narrative that it invaded Ukraine (going to Kiev, remember) to rid Ukraine of the fascists.

All bogus of course.

Putin's real aim was and is, to revive the old Russian empire, Russia's greatness. And secure himself a place in the history books as the greatest Russian tsar ever.

He's not very successful so far. But if he succeeds in Ukraine, next will be Moldova / Transnistria.

Edited 15 hours ago by Presto

[candide]

16 minutes ago, darbie-foos said:

the best way to stop a war is to prevent them which is precisely exactly what Trump did and the exact opposite of what Biden did.

Gag! Which war did Trump prevent and how?

[darbie-foos]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

Gag! Which war did Trump prevent and how?

It sailed right over the point on the top of your head. Not a good look for you grasshopper.

[darbie-foos]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

Which war did Trump prevent and how?

Google search Biden wars... then Google wars Trump....

there's your answer Einstein

[darbie-foos]

18 minutes ago, Presto said:

 

He's not very successful so far. But if he succeeds in Ukraine, next will be Moldova / Transnistria.

Did ur buddy vlad tell you this or are you perhaps spouting nonsensical hyperbole? How stupid u think putin really is, like your mush brained now lame duck Biden?

[Presto]

3 minutes ago, darbie-foos said:

Did ur buddy vlad tell you this or are you perhaps spouting nonsensical hyperbole? How stupid u think putin really is, like your mush brained now lame duck Biden?

I suggest you stay off the Lao Khao. And Biden is not my Biden. That's come up in your addled brain I guess.

I also suggest you look up some history about Putin. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Presto

[candide]

25 minutes ago, darbie-foos said:

Google search Biden wars... then Google wars Trump....

there's your answer Einstein

There were no wars ( well except Russian operatives and Russian troops leading the rebellion in Donbass).

How has Trump prevented wars? Or is it just lame MAGA propaganda?

 

Relatedly, how has Biden caused the current wars?

Edited 14 hours ago by candide

[Rimmer]

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[Yagoda]

57 minutes ago, candide said:

There were no wars ( well except Russian operatives and Russian troops leading the rebellion in Donbass).

How has Trump prevented wars? Or is it just lame MAGA propaganda?

 

Relatedly, how has Biden caused the current wars?

Well you dont understand how the US system works, so until you learn it, any explanation to you would be a waste of bandwidth.

[herfiehandbag]

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Ridiculous comment. So anyone who comments on the situation and says that Russia is winning is a Putin supporter. It's nothing to do with supporting one side or the other. It's the fact's happening on the ground. Since 2022 Russia has taken>100,000km². This is simply a fact. Go look at some war maps. Saying that the ATACMS will have little affect on how the war's progressing has nothing to do with being a Putin supporter. It's a fact.

 

Defining who is winning is open to various interpretations. 

 

Yes they have taken 100,000km2 of territory. Most of whose cities  are evacuated, infrastructure rubbled and farmlands laid waste.

 

They have Crimea - perhaps the original "Causus Belli" - Sevastopol as a base for their Black Sea Fleet; but much of that Black Sea Fleet is at the bottom of the Black Sea. The peninsulas communications are dependent on one bridge, which Ukraine has demonstrated it can cut when it wants. The much vaunted Russian Army, touted as superior to NATO and almost on a par with the US is trashed, and they have paid an enormous price in casualties, ever more difficult to replace. They failed to contain the Ukrainian move into Kirsk, and are relying on hiring in troops from North Korea to defend Mother Russia! Their economy is boogered.

 

Ukraine, battered, is still standing, still fighting and still hurting Russia, and shows no sign of failing. Ukraine's closest political and geographical allies, are showing greatly increased determination to stand up to Russia, are doing so through the auspices of a somewhat reinvigorated NATO alliance, which is waking up to the fact that it is probably going to have to manage without the US.

 

The US military may well rapidly lose potency under the inspired leadership of a Fox News presenter, and with large swathes of it's command structure possibly facing dismissal or Courts Martial! Certainly no-one is going to rely on them!

 

So when you are considering winning and losing, you need to consider more than battle maps.

Edited 13 hours ago by herfiehandbag

[candide]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well you dont understand how the US system works, so until you learn it, any explanation to you would be a waste of bandwidth.

Yaaaaaaaawn...

[darbie-foos]

1 hour ago, candide said:

There were no wars ( well except Russian operatives and Russian troops leading the rebellion in Donbass).

How has Trump prevented wars? Or is it just lame MAGA propaganda?

 

Relatedly, how has Biden caused the current wars?

that point on the top of your head is growing...

Your messiah Biden and those controlling the decomposing mess of his rotten brain are more concerned about the grift and keeping it alive, funding the war machine rather than stopping the war, engaging in peace talks to end the carnage and saving lives. Why else do they refuse peace talks but squander your tax dollars to compensate the grifter Zelenskyy! Trump is on track to sort this, putin and his BRICS colleagues are laughing at the stupid American war machine responsible for a million or more casualties. It's over when Trump says so. He has said as much.

[Jingthing]

Just stop listening to Putin and also his western useful (fill in the blank) who repeat his endless lies and fall for his completely transparent nuclear bluffs.  Some of the western repeaters are just ill informed and others are explicitly trying to help Putin win and Ukraine lose. Unfortunately, the majority of the maga/Trump cult fall into the later horrible category. World War 3? Caving to Putin is the move that makes it more likely emboldening him for further actions and also China.

 

 

[candide]

3 minutes ago, darbie-foos said:

that point on the top of your head is growing...

Your messiah Biden and those controlling the decomposing mess of his rotten brain are more concerned about the grift and keeping it alive, funding the war machine rather than stopping the war, engaging in peace talks to end the carnage and saving lives. Why else do they refuse peace talks but squander your tax dollars to compensate the grifter Zelenskyy! Trump is on track to sort this, putin and his BRICS colleagues are laughing at the stupid American war machine responsible for a million or more casualties. It's over when Trump says so. He has said as much.

Did you get it from MTG, or directly from RT? 😀

Edited 13 hours ago by candide

[G_Money]

1 hour ago, darbie-foos said:

It sailed right over the point on the top of your head. Not a good look for you grasshopper.

Love it!

[Presto]

35 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Defining who is winning is open to various interpretations. 

 

Yes they have taken 100,000km2 of territory. Most of whose cities  are evacuated, infrastructure rubbled and farmlands laid waste.

 

They have Crimea - perhaps the original "Causus Belli" - Sevastopol as a base for their Black Sea Fleet; but much of that Black Sea Fleet is at the bottom of the Black Sea. The peninsulas communications are dependent on one bridge, which Ukraine has demonstrated it can cut when it wants. The much vaunted Russian Army, touted as superior to NATO and almost on a par with the US is trashed, and they have paid an enormous price in casualties, ever more difficult to replace. They failed to contain the Ukrainian move into Kirsk, and are relying on hiring in troops from North Korea to defend Mother Russia! Their economy is boogered.

 

Ukraine, battered, is still standing, still fighting and still hurting Russia, and shows no sign of failing. Ukraine's closest political and geographical allies, are showing greatly increased determination to stand up to Russia, are doing so through the auspices of a somewhat reinvigorated NATO alliance, which is waking up to the fact that it is probably going to have to manage without the US.

 

The US military may well rapidly lose potency under the inspired leadership of a Fox News presenter, and with large swathes of it's command structure possibly facing dismissal or Courts Martial! Certainly no-one is going to rely on them!

 

So when you are considering winning and losing, you need to consider more than battle maps.

I'd say you're right, but where is that claim of 100.000 km2 coming from? Since February 2022 of course.

[Presto]

29 minutes ago, darbie-foos said:

that point on the top of your head is growing...

Your messiah Biden and those controlling the decomposing mess of his rotten brain are more concerned about the grift and keeping it alive, funding the war machine rather than stopping the war, engaging in peace talks to end the carnage and saving lives. Why else do they refuse peace talks but squander your tax dollars to compensate the grifter Zelenskyy! Trump is on track to sort this, putin and his BRICS colleagues are laughing at the stupid American war machine responsible for a million or more casualties. It's over when Trump says so. He has said as much.

So I have to suggest you again, stay off the Khao Lao? Your ranting is not getting any better, is it?

[dinsdale]

5 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Defining who is winning is open to various interpretations. 

 

Yes they have taken 100,000km2 of territory. Most of whose cities  are evacuated, infrastructure rubbled and farmlands laid waste.

 

They have Crimea - perhaps the original "Causus Belli" - Sevastopol as a base for their Black Sea Fleet; but much of that Black Sea Fleet is at the bottom of the Black Sea. The peninsulas communications are dependent on one bridge, which Ukraine has demonstrated it can cut when it wants. The much vaunted Russian Army, touted as superior to NATO and almost on a par with the US is trashed, and they have paid an enormous price in casualties, ever more difficult to replace. They failed to contain the Ukrainian move into Kirsk, and are relying on hiring in troops from North Korea to defend Mother Russia! Their economy is boogered.

 

Ukraine, battered, is still standing, still fighting and still hurting Russia, and shows no sign of failing. Ukraine's closest political and geographical allies, are showing greatly increased determination to stand up to Russia, are doing so through the auspices of a somewhat reinvigorated NATO alliance, which is waking up to the fact that it is probably going to have to manage without the US.

 

The US military may well rapidly lose potency under the inspired leadership of a Fox News presenter, and with large swathes of it's command structure possibly facing dismissal or Courts Martial! Certainly no-one is going to rely on them!

 

So when you are considering winning and losing, you need to consider more than battle maps.

"Most of whose cities  are evacuated, infrastructure rubbled and farmlands laid waste."

This happens in wars if you haven't noticed.

"much of that Black Sea Fleet is at the bottom of the Black Sea."

Name the vessels sunk and how much of the fleet remains.

"The peninsulas communications are dependent on one bridge, which Ukraine has demonstrated it can cut when it wants."

The Kerch bridge is very tactical indeed. IMO if it's downed it want make that much of a difference. 

"The much vaunted Russian Army, touted as superior to NATO and almost on a par with the US"

Rubbish. The Russian armed forces are nowhere close to the US, and NATO has some damn fine weapon systems, and for now US  military backing and financial support.

"relying on hiring in troops from North Korea to defend Mother Russia!"

10,000 questionably trained North Koreans that probably don't speak Russian ain't what I'd define as reliance.

"Ukraine, battered, is still standing, still fighting and still hurting Russia, and shows no sign of failing."

Agree except for the last bit. Personnel is a problem, weapons are a problem and it's Russia advancing  into Ukraine not Ukraine pushing back.

"NATO alliance, which is waking up to the fact that it is probably going to have to manage without the US."

Agree.

"The US military may well rapidly lose potency under the inspired leadership of a Fox News presenter, and with large swathes of it's command structure possibly facing dismissal or Courts Martial! Certainly no-one is going to rely on them!"

Disagree. There's going to be a big shake up in the military from the Trump side you can bet your bottom dollar on that.

"So when you are considering winning and losing, you need to consider more than battle maps."

Although battle maps are not all the same and open to bias they are still a valuable tool for seeing how the battlefield is moving which gives an indication of the direction of the war. I'm guessing you haven't looked at a single one.

I challenge anyone to demonstrate that this post shows any bias. 

Expecting the childish emojis but no rational and well argued response.

 

[darbie-foos]

14 minutes ago, Presto said:

So I have to suggest you again, stay off the Khao Lao? Your ranting is not getting any better, is it?

khao lao... or lao khao? you blinked, u know what planet u r on? maybe u consume too much khao lao instead of lao khao. are your parents siblings? Are u paid to be stupid? bwah ha ha... not too smart are u!

Edited 12 hours ago by darbie-foos

[darbie-foos]

21 minutes ago, Presto said:

So I have to suggest you again, stay off the Khao Lao? Your ranting is not getting any better, is it?

u will need to sort out why your IQ is compromised and less than Democrat quotient approaching room temp to run with the big boys.... bwahahaha

What can God do to help you at this juncture of mass failure and divine suicide aspirations? just grow a brain and stop voting for retarded democrats!

Edited 12 hours ago by darbie-foos

[Presto]

7 minutes ago, darbie-foos said:

u will need to sort out why your IQ is compromised and less than Democrat quotient approaching room temp to run with the big boys.... bwahahaha

What can God do to help you at this juncture of mass failure and divine suicide aspirations? just grow a brain and stop voting for retarded democrats!

Uhhh ... Who did I vote for, genius?

 

You show again, it's not difficult to trigger addled extreme right wing nuts.

Edited 12 hours ago by Presto

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

I challenge anyone to demonstrate that this post shows any bias. 

Expecting the childish emojis but no rational and well argued response.

You may show no particular bias, I am not really interested in the domestic US political positions, but you misunderstood, or at best seemed confused and contradictory over several of my points; in particular the vulnerability of the Crimean Peninsula, if it is to have any bearing on the future of the war, relying on one bridge. I also think that you underestimate the effect upon the efficacy of the US Military if afflicted with the sort of "big shake up in the military from the Trump side" on which apparently I can bet my bottom dollar. And yes, the significance of maps. 

 

I can, read and understand, the implications of battle maps, and have a fair amount of professional training and experience of so doing. That is what frames my arguments.

 

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by herfiehandbag

[dinsdale]

37 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

You may show no particular bias, I am not really interested in the domestic US political positions, but you misunderstood, or at best seemed confused and contradictory over several of my points; in particular the vulnerability of the Crimean Peninsula, if it is to have any bearing on the future of the war, relying on one bridge. I think that you underestimate the effect upon the efficacy of the US Military if afflicted with the sort of "big shake up in the military from the Trump side" on which apparently I can bet my bottom dollar. And yes, the significance of maps. 

 

I can, read and understand, the implications of battle maps, and have a fair amount of professional training and experience of so doing. That is what frames my arguments.

 

 

 

Well here's some bias for you. The "efficacy" of the US military didn't do so well pulling out of Afghanistan now did it?. Obviously this is no slight on the troops but the idiots who planned it and the idiot who signed off on it. 

"I can, read and understand, the implications of battle maps, and have a fair amount of professional training and experience of so doing."

What battle maps are you looking at? If you are actually looking at battle maps (please mention them) then it's all there to see. Russia is pushing further and further west. There's absolutely no denying this although as I have said before very slowly.

Edited 11 hours ago by dinsdale

[morrobay]

10 hours ago, Presto said:

9 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Well here's some bias for you. The "efficacy" of the US military didn't do so well pulling out of Afghanistan now did it?. Obviously this is no slight on the troops but the idiots who planned it and the idiot who signed off on it. 

"I can, read and understand, the implications of battle maps, and have a fair amount of professional training and experience of so doing."

What battle maps are you looking at? If you are actually looking at battle maps (please mention them) then it's all there to see. Russia is pushing further and further west. There's absolutely no denying this although as I have said before very slowly.

 

The Bush Cheney Rumsfeld bogus invasion of Iraq dismantled a Suni government and paved the way for Shia Iran and terrorists ISIS to become established there. As  well as the Afghanistan disaster. They should be held accountable. So all this subsequent mess are symptoms of Bush Cheney Rumsfeld cabal. Of course the only winners were /are the military industrial complex. And ongoing along that not such a winding road to Ukraine . Edit : if anyone wants to comment try reading the moving parts more carefully, I don't have the patience to school some of you people 

Edited 2 hours ago by morrobay

[Dcheech]

2 minutes ago, morrobay said:

So all this subsequent mess are symptoms of Bush Cheney Rumsfeld cabal.

They should be blamed for Putin invading the Ukraine? I don't think much of JrBush but they have nothing to do with the Ukraine. And the Neocons, those MAGA bull snort bogeymen, they  went back to their conservative think tanks/NGO's  where they were spawned, decades back, when Iraq went tlts up.

The only good thing is Putin has gutting both the Russian economy & manpower by this invasion. Now that Trump will let him win what he could not on the battlefield. Commie lovers do, what commie lovers got to do.

[G_Money]

13 hours ago, candide said:

Gag! Which war did Trump prevent and how?

All of them.  Peace through negotiation.

 

Abraham Accords ring a bell 🛎️?

[kwonitoy]

11 hours ago, dinsdale said:

"Most of whose cities  are evacuated, infrastructure rubbled and farmlands laid waste."

This happens in wars if you haven't noticed.

"much of that Black Sea Fleet is at the bottom of the Black Sea."

Name the vessels sunk and how much of the fleet remains.

"The peninsulas communications are dependent on one bridge, which Ukraine has demonstrated it can cut when it wants."

The Kerch bridge is very tactical indeed. IMO if it's downed it want make that much of a difference. 

"The much vaunted Russian Army, touted as superior to NATO and almost on a par with the US"

Rubbish. The Russian armed forces are nowhere close to the US, and NATO has some damn fine weapon systems, and for now US  military backing and financial support.

"relying on hiring in troops from North Korea to defend Mother Russia!"

10,000 questionably trained North Koreans that probably don't speak Russian ain't what I'd define as reliance.

"Ukraine, battered, is still standing, still fighting and still hurting Russia, and shows no sign of failing."

Agree except for the last bit. Personnel is a problem, weapons are a problem and it's Russia advancing  into Ukraine not Ukraine pushing back.

"NATO alliance, which is waking up to the fact that it is probably going to have to manage without the US."

Agree.

"The US military may well rapidly lose potency under the inspired leadership of a Fox News presenter, and with large swathes of it's command structure possibly facing dismissal or Courts Martial! Certainly no-one is going to rely on them!"

Disagree. There's going to be a big shake up in the military from the Trump side you can bet your bottom dollar on that.

"So when you are considering winning and losing, you need to consider more than battle maps."

Although battle maps are not all the same and open to bias they are still a valuable tool for seeing how the battlefield is moving which gives an indication of the direction of the war. I'm guessing you haven't looked at a single one.

I challenge anyone to demonstrate that this post shows any bias. 

Expecting the childish emojis but no rational and well argued response.

 

 

"much of that Black Sea Fleet is at the bottom of the Black Sea."

Name the vessels sunk and how much of the fleet remains.

 

 

 

This info is not quite a year old, so add some more recent damaging/sinkings

Not bad for a country without a navy

Edited 1 hour ago by kwonitoy