ICC Issues Arrest Warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant Over Alleged War Crimes

[rickudon]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Israel has killed more civilians in Gaza than any other war in the last 20 years. 

 

Blatant lie

Ok, do you deny the deaths or claim other wars killed more?

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, rickudon said:

Ok, do you deny the deaths or claim other wars killed more?

Deflection from your blatant lies and have no interest in doing further fact checking for you. You make a claim provide a credible link 

[rickudon]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Deflection from your blatant lies and have no interest in doing further fact checking for you. You make a claim provide a credible link 

Ok.

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As of 5 November 2024, over 45,000 people (43,391 Palestinian[1] and 1,706 Israeli)[19] have been reported killed in the Israel–Hamas war, including 134–146 journalists and media workers,[22] 120 academics,[23] and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, including 179 employees of UNRWA.[24] In Nov 2024, the UN published its analysis covering only victims verified from at least three independent sources over 6 months span between Nov 2023 and April 2024 found that 70% of Palestinian deaths in Gaza are women and children.[25]

and 

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According to a letter sent to President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, and others on 2 October 2024 by 99 American healthcare workers who have served in the Gaza Strip since 7 October 2023, based on the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification standards and cited in a study from the Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs at Brown University, the most conservative estimate that they could calculate based on the available data was at least 62,413 deaths in Gaza from starvation (most of them young children) and at least 5,000 deaths from lack of access to care for chronic diseases.[32][33][34]

the link

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war#:~:text=As of 5 November 2024,including 179 employees of UNRWA.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, rickudon said:

Ok.

and 

the link

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war#:~:text=As of 5 November 2024,including 179 employees of UNRWA.

That does not back up your claims and lies

 

[rickudon]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

That does not back up your claims and lies

 

Obviously you did not read it.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, rickudon said:

Obviously you did not read it.

Obviously you need to read your claims and then back them up with links, you cant because they are lies.

 

"Israel has killed more civilians in Gaza than any other war in the last 20 years. Over 40,000 mainly verified deaths, with some estimates that as many as 10,000 more are buried under the rubble. 70% women and children. US health workers who have worked in Gaza estimate that starvation and disease have killed even more - maybe over 60,000 (mainly infants and young children. Another 5,000 have died due to lack of medical care."

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, placnx said:

There are several videos in the links, but CNN did not post the video discussed. As I explained, there are many links referring to videos without posting them. If you google the term "IDF shooting Palestinians video" you can also find YouTube videos and many discussions of IDF atrocities.

 

   I asked you to back up your claims to show the videos of what you calimmed . 

   I opened the first link and there wasn't a video . 

You failed .

I am not going to go through all the links looking for videos 

[stevenl]

9 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

There far more videos of Hamas atrocities all verified by Hamas themselves who took them, beheadings, torture, massacres of civilians. 

Deflection.

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Deflection.

The truth is never a deflection unless you are a Hamas supporter and want to suppress it.

[stevenl]

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The truth is never a deflection unless you are a Hamas supporter and want to suppress it.

Nonsense, truth can be a deflection from the discussion. As is yours, truth and deflection.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, stevenl said:

Nonsense, truth can be a deflection from the discussion. As is yours, truth and deflection.

The only nonsense here is that a response about the horrific Hamas videos that they filmed themselves is a deflection from the allegations on unverified IDF videos which is also not part of the topic. 

 

Truth hurts sometimes 

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

The only nonsense here is that a response about the horrific Hamas videos that they filmed themselves is a deflection from the allegations on unverified IDF videos which is also not part of the topic. 

 

Truth hurts sometimes 

The IDF videos are part of the reason for the arrest warrants, as are the Hamas videos. So all are on topic.

Claiming 'there are more videos of hamas atrocities than of IDF atrocities ' is a deflection.

 

And then accusing others of being hamas supporters is the usual flaming.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, stevenl said:

The IDF videos are part of the reason for the arrest warrants, as are the Hamas videos. So all are on topic.

Claiming 'there are more videos of hamas atrocities than of IDF atrocities ' is a deflection.

 

And then accusing others of being hamas supporters is the usual flaming.

Can you provide a link to that claim that the IDF videos mentioned are the reason for the arrest warrants, clue for you, they are NOT. 

 

I also stand by the statement:

 

"The truth is never a deflection unless you are a Hamas supporter and want to suppress it."

 

Claiming it is flaming is also false.

 

Not doing very well here are you.

 

 

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Can you provide a link to that claim that the IDF videos mentioned are the reason for the arrest warrants, clue for you, they are NOT. 

 

I also stand by the statement:

 

"The truth is never a deflection unless you are a Hamas supporter and want to suppress it."

 

Claiming it is flaming is also false.

 

Not doing very well here are you.

 

 

The fact you disagree with me on Israel proves I'm doing very well. Just waiting for nick and a few others to join in to underline this even further.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

The fact you disagree with me on Israel proves I'm doing very well. Just waiting for nick and a few others to join in to underline this even further.

Oh so a deflection from your false claims on the videos mentioned being part of the arrest warrants....lol Nah doing terribly no need for anyone else to expose your failure, another deflection. Yes we disagree on Israel, I am vehemently anti Hamas terrorist.

[Evil Penevil]

17 hours ago, placnx said:

Whoever was the ruler over the area called Palestine does not matter. The point is that the people of the area over millenia have developed their distinct culture, different than Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian.

 

That's not true.  Palestinians are generic Arabs.  In terms of language, religion and culture, there's very little difference between Palestinian Arabs and Jordanian, Syrian or Iraqi Arabs.    Many of the Arabs regarded today as Palestinians moved to Palestine during the British Mandate period.  During Ottoman rule, Palestine had been one of the poorest and most wretched corners of the Ottoman Empire, but the economy and living conditions improved under the British.  

[placnx]

On 11/29/2024 at 7:32 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   My point was that Jews have continually been living on the land for 3500 years , I wasn't claiming that no one else can live on the land 

The problem is not you, but the settlers doing ethnic cleansing in the West Bank, for example.

[placnx]

On 11/29/2024 at 7:56 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Nope, only one arrest warrant for a Hamas leader was issued and he's already dead anyway. You really need to do some research, all this false info you are spewing

Well, I meant that Karim Khan requested warrants for the three Hamas people, but Israel killed two or maybe three of them by the time the Court authorized the warrants.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, placnx said:

Well, I meant that Karim Khan requested warrants for the three Hamas people, but Israel killed two or maybe three of them by the time the Court authorized the warrants.

Nope, he only requested an arrest warrant for one person when it was presented to the judges to decide. 

[placnx]

On 11/29/2024 at 7:59 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Refer to IHL rule 14 on proportionality, its been discussed numerous times in these topics. The arrest warrants are not for video clips. Hamas does not care about proportionality by the way, it deliberately sacrifices its own citizens.

What I mean is that forensic investigation may help understand whether there were any military objectives involved in mass bombing, particularly in the first weeks of the war.

 

Here is the ICC rule on proportionality: "Pursuant to Article 8(2)(b)(iv) of the 1998 ICC Statute, the following constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts:
Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects … which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated."

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule14

It was Israel's choice to use the Lavender program, apparently a kind of AI, to identify "targets" with such rapidity that humans could not do due diligence to verify the accuracy before the bombs dropped. 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, placnx said:

What I mean is that forensic investigation may help understand whether there were any military objectives involved in mass bombing, particularly in the first weeks of the war.

 

Here is the ICC rule on proportionality: "Pursuant to Article 8(2)(b)(iv) of the 1998 ICC Statute, the following constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts:
Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects … which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated."

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule14

It was Israel's choice to use the Lavender program, apparently a kind of AI, to identify "targets" with such rapidity that humans could not do due diligence to verify the accuracy before the bombs dropped. 

I am quite aware of the rules, that's why I gave you the IHL rule 14 to look up and find out about, you needed a little education on it.

 

The Lawful Killing of Civilians Under International Humanitarian Law

Although IHL’s aims are humanitarian, IHL is pragmatic in its acceptance of the realities of armed conflict. It does not outright forbid armed conflict, or even have a blanket prohibition on the killing of civilians. IHL recognises that the aim of war is to fight and win, and killing is a means towards that end. 

https://www.e-ir.info/2022/05/27/the-lawful-killing-of-civilians-under-international-humanitarian-law/

Edited 2 hours ago by Bkk Brian

[Nick Carter icp]

15 minutes ago, placnx said:

The problem is not you, but the settlers doing ethnic cleansing in the West Bank, for example.

 

   The land was called Judea up until 1948 , thr Settlers are claiming that they are taking their land back from the Muslim colonisers who stole the land from the Jews , it was actually the Romans who killed all the Jews in Judea, another genocide of Jews

[placnx]

On 11/29/2024 at 8:08 PM, Bkk Brian said:

it certainly was:

 

Egyptian Blockade of Aid to Gaza Earns Rebuke from U.S.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/05/23/egyptian-blockade-of-aid-to-gaza-earns-rebuke-from-u-s/

Your source, FDD, or Foundation for Defense of Democracies, i.e. Israel, is hardly reliable. The fdd link concerns the period when Israel violated the 1979 treaty with Egypt by occupying the Philadelphi corridor. 

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, placnx said:

Your source, FDD, or Foundation for Defense of Democracies, i.e. Israel, is hardly reliable. The fdd link concerns the period when Israel violated the 1979 treaty with Egypt by occupying the Philadelphi corridor. 

Why does being Israeli make it unreliable? Are Israeli facts different? Or is it because they are Jewish? Are Jewish facts less reliable?

 

You are also being plainly dishonest, the link is quite clearly about the recent blockade by Egypt

 

[placnx]

On 11/29/2024 at 8:14 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You mean there's a genocide going on in Gaza and Egypt are keeping Palestinians locked in Gaza to face a certain death?

   Wouldnt that mean that Egypt are complicit in the genocide ?

There could have been no deaths at all if Egypt would have let the Gazians out of Gaza . 

  Why doesn't Egypt put an end to the "genocide" by allowing Gazians out of Gaza ?

Egypt, the Palestinians, and the rest of the World (except US) do not want to see another Nakba. Apparently the White House had a budgetary item for resettling Gazans and asked Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia to take them. All refused.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, placnx said:

Egypt, the Palestinians, and the rest of the World (except US) do not want to see another Nakba. Apparently the White House had a budgetary item for resettling Gazans and asked Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia to take them. All refused.

 

   No one wants the Palestinians , they cause violence and war, civil war everywhere they go . Jordon and Lebanon both descended into a civil war when Palestinians tried to take over the local Governments through violence 

 

[placnx]

On 11/30/2024 at 8:16 AM, Evil Penevil said:

 

That's not true.  Palestinians are generic Arabs.  In terms of language, religion and culture, there's very little difference between Palestinian Arabs and Jordanian, Syrian or Iraqi Arabs.    Many of the Arabs regarded today as Palestinians moved to Palestine during the British Mandate period.  During Ottoman rule, Palestine had been one of the poorest and most wretched corners of the Ottoman Empire, but the economy and living conditions improved under the British.  

During the British Mandate, it was Ashkenazi jews who moved to Palestine. The economic improvement began in the mid-19th Century. Rural Palestinian farmers were no doubt poor. 

[placnx]

50 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nope, he only requested an arrest warrant for one person when it was presented to the judges to decide. 

The request was quite a while ago, long before Ismail Haniyeh and Yahya Sinwar were killed.

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, placnx said:

The request was quite a while ago, long before Ismail Haniyeh and Yahya Sinwar were killed.

That's nothing to do with the updated requests because of the deaths though is it. Jeez. 

 

Following confirmation of their deaths, the Chamber granted the withdrawal of the applications on 9 August 2024 and 25 October 2024, respectively. With respect to Mr Deif, the Prosecution indicated that it would continue to gather information with respect to his reported death.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-issues-warrant-arrest-mohammed-diab-ibrahim

 

 

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