UN Removes Genocide Advisor: She Refused To Label Israels actions as Genocide

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

There is a search button. Search the terms Zionist, Jew, Israel, Palestine and you can connect with your ilk.

 

OK, so you have nothing but slander to offer? I guessed as much. Have a good day. 

[Yagoda]

9 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

She also (probably) refuses to label 2+2=5, refuses to state that men can actually become women, and is well aware that if Israel actually wanted to commit genocide they could have done so in the first hour after the attack and wiped Gaza off the map, rather than the painfully slow approach of targeted strikes and giving warnings before the strike even happens.   

Right? Right? Why do they ignore that? They are taking waaaaay to much time being considerate of civilians, most of whom are the enemy.

 

Far as I am concerned, they are at war with the USA because they murdered our citizens. I would have wiped the whole place off the map. You want to kill Americans? Enjoy your smoking hole, make Hiroshima look like a garden party.

 

Then those suckholes in Iran next

[300sd]

32 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Can you provide verifiable evidence of this bold statement?

There's much evidence that something is off! All one needs to do is look. But since you are not interested in looking, here you go and I'm sure there is much the same every year!!

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-condemned-israel-more-than-all-other-countries-combined-in-2022-monitor/

 

https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/01/04/absurd-un-condemned-israel-twice-often-all-other-countries-combined-2023/

[RuamRudy]

6 minutes ago, 300sd said:

There's much evidence that something is off! All one needs to do is look. But since you are not interested in looking, here you go and I'm sure there is much the same every year!!

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-condemned-israel-more-than-all-other-countries-combined-in-2022-monitor/

 

https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/01/04/absurd-un-condemned-israel-twice-often-all-other-countries-combined-2023/

 

The UN is clearly not perfect, but its very basis as an intended means of countries collectively formulating a consensus means that it will inevitably be influenced by the prevailing attitudes of the majority of its constituent members and this leads it open to bias. I don't know the form that reform should take, but I believe that its better to talk than not. 

Of course, if the criticisms of Israel were baseless then there would definitely be cause of alarm, but if your defence is that the other bad guys get less grief than us bad guys, then its still not a great look. 

[Bkk Brian]

15 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

The UN is clearly not perfect, but its very basis as an intended means of countries collectively formulating a consensus means that it will inevitably be influenced by the prevailing attitudes of the majority of its constituent members and this leads it open to bias. I don't know the form that reform should take, but I believe that its better to talk than not. 

Of course, if the criticisms of Israel were baseless then there would definitely be cause of alarm, but if your defence is that the other bad guys get less grief than us bad guys, then its still not a great look. 

The UN is clearly not perfect,

 

Well there's an understatement. Having Iran chair human rights meetings kinda say it all. Dismissing its own Genocide advisor as in the OP just tops it off when it keeps other advisors who are clearly antisemetic in place.

[Ben Zioner]

This is what thought: most people here confuse UNGA with UN.

 

UN is a conglomerate of agencies that includes organisations such as WIPO, ITU, ACOA, IAEA  and many others. While some agencies such as UNWRA are abhorrent, UNICEF, UNHCR, UNDP saved Millions of lives and keep doing so.

 

I worked for several of these agencies from 19.89 to 2015. Doesn't make me an expert but I don't mind sharing the little knowledge I have.

[Yagoda]

43 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

OK, so you have nothing but slander to offer? I guessed as much. Have a good day. 

Have a great day too! Thanks for outing. 

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, Ben Zioner said:

This is what thought: most people here confuse UNGA with UN.

 

UN is a conglomerate of agencies that includes organisations such as WIPO, ITU, ACOA, IAEA  and many others. While some agencies such as UNWRA are abhorrent, UNICEF, UNHCR, UNDP saved Millions of lives and keep doing so.

 

I worked for several of these agencies from 19.89 to 2015. Doesn't make me an expert but I don't mind sharing the little knowledge I have.

UNICEF. Collecting pennies as kids to enrich some Leftist bureaucrats and America haters.

 

With all due respect sir, bragging about your sinecure in some agency run by the greatest Leftist scam of all time doesnt cut much weight.

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

 

So Israel is beyond any criticism; any negative comment can only be borne of anti-semitism? Is that what you are saying?

0n October 7 2023 over 1700 Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinians. Many of them were women, children and infants who were raped and then beheaded. Others were taken as hostages. It is understandable that Israel will continue to hunt down all those directly or indirectly responsible. On the broader issue, events leading up to and during WW2 speak for themselves. Taking account of these two occurrences alone renders the UN's position on Israel not only unacceptable, but also contemptible.

[Ben Zioner]

14 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

UNICEF. Collecting pennies as kids to enrich some Leftist bureaucrats and America haters.

 

With all due respect sir, bragging about your sinecure in some agency run by the greatest Leftist scam of all time doesnt cut much weight.

Thanks for being a shining illustration of the point I was trying to make.

[Yagoda]

7 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Thanks for being a shining illustration of the point I was trying to make.

Your welcome. I want my pennies back

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

 

There are undoubtedly member states of the UN which are anti Israeli; some of that enmity may be borne of anti Semitism, but history suggests that Islam and Judaism rubbed along together rather well until the mid 20th century, so does today's anti Israel sentiment come from innate anti semitism or from outrage at the behaviour of the state of Israel over the past decades? 

 

It is a false narrative to describe Islam and Judaism having rubbed along rather well until the mid 20th century. Islam has always treated non muslims as subhuman. The historic reality is that the harmony you allude to was a direct result of Ottoman Empire Rule and of the presence of European colonial powers, particularly the French in North Africa. The Ottoman Turks were not given to the religious excess of their arab subjects. However, in the places where  local muslims  were in power, the jewish people were obliged to pay a special tax and were subject to employment restrictions. Unlike muslims, jews (and Christians) were considered Dhimmis and were denied the same rights as muslims. The muslims undertook periodic ethnic cleansings. For example, they drove out the jewish tribes from Arabia. Those tribes then sought refuge in greater Israel.

 

Your statement denies the historic mistreatment of non muslims and  presents a false history. Itis no different than the  idiots who are now claiming that Jesus was a Palestinian. (He was a Judean and a jew.)

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

53 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

This is what thought: most people here confuse UNGA with UN.

 

UN is a conglomerate of agencies that includes organisations such as WIPO, ITU, ACOA, IAEA  and many others. While some agencies such as UNWRA are abhorrent, UNICEF, UNHCR, UNDP saved Millions of lives and keep doing so.

 

I worked for several of these agencies from 19.89 to 2015. Doesn't make me an expert but I don't mind sharing the little knowledge I have.

The UN WFP and FAO in particular do outstanding work.

[Bkk Brian]

A speech from Haley a few years ago on her first meeting at the UN Security Council. Damning indictment of The UN's anti Israel bias and a clear indication of the Security Councils failure to address the issues of Hezbollah's build up of rockets and Iran.

 

"U.S. is determined to stand up to the UN’s anti-Israel bias" - Nikki Haley

 

 

 

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

0n October 7 2023 over 1700 Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinians. Many of them were women, children and infants who were raped and then beheaded. Others were taken as hostages. It is understandable that Israel will continue to hunt down all those directly or indirectly responsible. On the broader issue, events leading up to and during WW2 speak for themselves. Taking account of these two occurrences alone renders the UN's position on Israel not only unacceptable, but also contemptible.

 

[Rinato]

"Israel, she noted, has taken significant steps to minimize civilian casualties"

Really?  43.000 deaths until last count.

Just forget for a moment about politics and look at it from a merely  human perspective.

 

[loong]

1 hour ago, Rinato said:

"Israel, she noted, has taken significant steps to minimize civilian casualties"

Really?  43.000 deaths until last count.

Just forget for a moment about politics and look at it from a merely  human perspective.

 

 

 

Yes, amazingly low considering it is warfare in crowded urban areas and the Gaza government has made zero effort to protect the civilians. Firing missiles at Israeli civilian areas knowing that there will be retaliation and civilians will die. Hamas had 100's of miles of tunnels that they did not allow the civilians to shelter in as they wanted as many dead women and children as possible as it is good for propaganda!

How many of the Israeli civilians would be dead if Israel had not spent so much time and money on defense systems with all the thousands of missiles fired at Israeli civilian targets? Probably a lot more than the deaths in Gaza!

 

Incidentally, a lot of gaza's dead are from misfiring missiles launched by the Palestinians. Do you remember the missile strike that hit a hospital in Gaza with 500 civilians killed? They then discovered that it was a misfired missile from Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the story changed. The hospital was not actually hit, it was a parking area and there was very little damage and very few fatalities.

I was watching this on the TV at the time and couldn't understand why there were casualties arriving at the hospital by ambulance. Why would they need ambulances for casualties inside the hospital? Obviously just file footage for fake impact!

[ericbj]

The article is of interest, in that it provides facts.  Seeing as it comes from the Wall Street Journal, one mst filter out the bias.

 

Note:  The words 'anti-semite' and 'anti-semitic', correctly used, signify a fundamental opposition to the semitic peoples.  i.e. jews and arabs.  'Anti-jewish' means opposition to jews in general and should not be confused with 'anti-zionism'.

 

Zionism was originally opposed go both Judaism and jewish-ness, going so far as recommending jews adhere to the Protestant faith.

 

It gained little traction until it did an about-turn, became nationalist, and, in the process (according to many Jews) distorted the religion to reflect its goals of statehood.
Perhaps a more radical change than that, for Christianity, of the Council of Nicaea.

[yardrunner]

12 hours ago, Social Media said:

UN Faces Backlash Over Dismissal of Genocide Advisor Alice Nderitu  

 

The United Nations, once a symbol of moral accountability, has faced growing criticism over its handling of sensitive global issues. Its recent decision to terminate Alice Wairimu Nderitu, Special Advisor on the Prevention of Genocide, has sparked significant debate. A Kenyan mediator and expert in peacebuilding, Ms. Nderitu’s removal stems from her refusal to label Israel’s military actions in Gaza as genocide.

 

Ms. Nderitu has held her position since 2020, bringing a thoughtful approach to what she has called humanity's gravest crime. Her work emphasized precision in applying the term "genocide," a word first coined in 1944 by Raphael Lemkin to describe the systematic extermination of entire ethnic groups, such as the Holocaust, the Rwandan genocide, and the Bosnian massacres. Her office’s 2022 guidance stressed the importance of adhering to this strict definition, cautioning against its misuse due to the political and legal sensitivities it carries.

 

 

In assessing Israel’s ongoing conflict with Hamas, Ms. Nderitu argued that it did not meet the definition of genocide. She acknowledged the tragic civilian toll but pointed to Israel's stated intent: dismantling a terrorist organization rather than eradicating an ethnic group. Israel, she noted, has taken significant steps to minimize civilian casualties, even as Hamas reportedly uses Palestinian civilians as shields, exploiting their deaths for propaganda.

 

However, these views clashed with the narrative pushed by a faction within the UN. On November 14, the UN Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices issued a report alleging potential genocide in Gaza and apartheid in the West Bank. This report aligns with the stance of Volker Turk, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, who has consistently criticized Israel. Critics argue that these accusations are influenced by political bias, as evidenced by the committee's composition, which includes member states Malaysia and Senegal, countries with a history of hostility toward Israel.

 

Ms. Nderitu’s dismissal has been framed as a contractual expiration, with a UN spokesperson asserting that genocide determinations fall under judicial bodies, not advisors. Yet, observers note that UN contracts are frequently renewed, and the Secretary-General holds the authority to extend her tenure. Her removal is widely seen as a political decision, signaling the influence of anti-Israel factions within the organization.

 

Beyond the controversy surrounding Ms. Nderitu, the situation highlights broader concerns about the politicization of genocide accusations. As the term becomes a tool for propaganda, its moral weight diminishes, threatening its power to describe true atrocities. Ms. Nderitu’s unwavering commitment to truth, even at the cost of her position, is a testament to her integrity. Her case raises a critical question: can principled leadership survive in an increasingly polarized UN?

 

Based on a report by WSJ 2024-11-27

 

 

 

 

[yardrunner]

Israel should be judged on their actions and not on their statements

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, Rinato said:

"Israel, she noted, has taken significant steps to minimize civilian casualties"

Really?  43.000 deaths until last count.

Just forget for a moment about politics and look at it from a merely  human perspective.

 

 

  About half of those deaths were Hamas terrorists and the civilian death rate is very low for a war

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The UN WFP and FAO in particular do outstanding work.

 

   The EDL do great work in providing the electricity 

[placnx]

7 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

The demonisation of any institution or individual who dares to criticise the state of Israel as anti Jewish or anti semitic has become as tiresome as it is predictable. 

I looked the "report" on the WSJ website. It is not news, but actually an opinion piece by the Editorial Board. Anyone who reads the WSJ knows that with regard to Israel, the Editorial Board follows the Netanyahu propaganda line.

 

More reliable than the WSJ Editorial Board is the ICJ, which stated in February that there is a risk that Israel is committing genocide, and it is examining the evidence to eventually render a judgment, but that may take years. In the meantime the ICC has issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu & Gallant for war crimes, but whether the charge of genocide is added later is another question.

[placnx]

6 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

0n October 7 2023 over 1700 Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinians. Many of them were women, children and infants who were raped and then beheaded. Others were taken as hostages. It is understandable that Israel will continue to hunt down all those directly or indirectly responsible. On the broader issue, events leading up to and during WW2 speak for themselves. Taking account of these two occurrences alone renders the UN's position on Israel not only unacceptable, but also contemptible.

The beheadings of babies were debunked a long tome ago. Rapes if any were from a lack of discipline, not an intended weapon of war. What is contemptible is the US vetoes against the 14 other members of the Security Council who want a ceasefire and aid distribution.

[Thorgal]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  About half of those deaths were Hamas terrorists and the civilian death rate is very low for a war

 

Any source?

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, placnx said:

I looked the "report" on the WSJ website. It is not news, but actually an opinion piece by the Editorial Board. Anyone who reads the WSJ knows that with regard to Israel, the Editorial Board follows the Netanyahu propaganda line.

 

More reliable than the WSJ Editorial Board is the ICJ, which stated in February that there is a risk that Israel is committing genocide, and it is examining the evidence to eventually render a judgment, but that may take years. In the meantime the ICC has issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu & Gallant for war crimes, but whether the charge of genocide is added later is another question.

Its not just in the WSJ. Your attempt to kill the messenger is not working. Many outlets are carrying this:

 

UN adviser leaves office ‘over refusal to accuse Israel of genocide’
Alice Wairimu Nderitu left her post after four years amid claims she was edged out by those critical of the war against Hamas

https://www.thetimes.com/world/middle-east/article/un-adviser-genocide-israel-gaza-t058xrpcv

 

 

Your comments on the ICJ case is also misleading

Edited 38 minutes ago by Bkk Brian

[Thorgal]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

A speech from Haley a few years ago on her first meeting at the UN Security Council. Damning indictment of The UN's anti Israel bias and a clear indication of the Security Councils failure to address the issues of Hezbollah's build up of rockets and Iran.

 

"U.S. is determined to stand up to the UN’s anti-Israel bias" - Nikki Haley

 

 

 

 

Haley always opposed against any UN resolution to restrict, punish and/or limit Israel's occupation on Palestine.

 

My intellectual honesty tells me that she's also responsible for what happened since 7th of October...

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Haley always opposed against any UN resolution to restrict, punish and/or limit Israel's occupation on Palestine.

 

My intellectual honesty tells me that she's also responsible for what happened since 7th of October...

She was not in office on 7th Oct when Hamas attacked. FAIL

[Nick Carter icp]

15 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Any source?

 

   In Netanyahu's speech yesterday about the ceasefire in Lebanon 

[Thorgal]

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

She was not in office on 7th Oct when Hamas attacked. FAIL

 

7th of October could have been avoided by implementing all UN resolutions (in history) against Israel's occupation on Palestine since it's creation.

 

Again, it requires intellectual honesty to come to that conclusion...