BBC Staff Divided Over Call to Wear Palestinian Flag Colors and Keffiyeh

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Imminent means about to happen. You don't know that is the case, even though you inserted an 'if' afterwards, unconcerned as you appear to be with consistency. 

 

To clarify for you: a third party group made a proposal; a sector of the BBC employees said "we don't like that idea". End of story. 

 

As for the BBC, they may or may not have responded but article doesn't make that clear because it isn't interested in accurately representing the BBC stance; it just wants to further the murdoch agenda and stir up more angry old men to rail against it. 

 

   And supported by the NUJ who have members across all UK news providers.

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   This story is about a proposal by the T.U.C.

Do you have a comment to make about the proposal by the T.U.C ?

Should BBC reporters show a biased when reporting on stories ?

 

1) yes, in a week when we are getting the lies of Allison Pearson thrust into our timelines, I think that the TUC should be free to propose whatever it wishes if it's within the law. 

2) No, but then again that's already covered by their charter. 

[Hanaguma]

Maybe I am a bit out of touch, but I thought that the job of a union was to advocate for the wellbeing of the members. Issues of pay, safety, working conditions, that kind of thing.  Why are they suddenly getting involved in political disputes happening thousands of miles away?  Not their business IMHO.

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Imminent means about to happen. You don't know that is the case, even though you inserted an 'if' afterwards, unconcerned as you appear to be with consistency. 

 

To clarify for you: a third party group made a proposal; a sector of the BBC employees said "we don't like that idea". End of story. 

 

As for the BBC, they may or may not have responded but article doesn't make that clear because it isn't interested in accurately representing the BBC stance; it just wants to further the murdoch agenda and stir up more angry old men to rail against it. 

No clarification needed, I can read, love this bit from your previous post.

 

 BBC haters hoping that this transitions from a nothing to something they can really froth about. 

 

Some of the journalists have already left the union concerned, they must have been frothing already eh. I wonder if they were Jewish?

 

Does this outlet also belong to a Murdoch agenda?

 

One BBC staff member told Jewish News that this “hypocritical and antisemitic” suggestion was a breach of the BBC’s commitment to impartial reporting, saying, “BBC journalists, who pride themselves on impartiality and who fought to keep their NUJ free of politics, are being encouraged to break the BBC’s editorial guidelines by supporting a political cause.” 

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-831079

[Thorgal]

14 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Maybe I am a bit out of touch, but I thought that the job of a union was to advocate for the wellbeing of the members. Issues of pay, safety, working conditions, that kind of thing.  Why are they suddenly getting involved in political disputes happening thousands of miles away?  Not their business IMHO.

 

Free speech and expressing your own opinion for ongoing historical conflicts through any newspaper union is actually on topic and can't be dismissed by the management...

 

[scorecard]

9 hours ago, stevenl said:

Unions should imo stay away from these actions. But i don't see how "the event aims to advocate for a ceasefire, the cessation of violence in Gaza, and the release of hostages" can be labelled antisemitic.

 

Agree, IMHO the union should not align itself with one party. In fact there should be a vote before any such declaration. 

 

But i do encourage all their members to all openly discuss which party they support and respect the individual opinions of others.

[Donga]

3 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Says a Guardian reader 

More to the point, article is from The Times, not The Telegraph 😅

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

2) No, but then again that's already covered by their charter. 

 

   I do disagree  : ALL pro Palestinian supporters  , All Hamas supporters, ALL Anti semites, ALL Nazis , all the Israel hating LBTG mob , ALL UN/UNRWA members who should support the Palestinians  should  all wear the Palestinians flag in full view when in public .

   Just so that we all know 

[coolcarer]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And supported by the NUJ who have members across all UK news providers.

 

 

But this is about the BBC that has over 5000 Jounalists working for them. Hundreds of Jews in that. Only a few months ago hundreds of Jewish jornos along  with producers and film directors wrote an official letter to their own employers the BBC complaining  at the bias and total lack of action to address it. the very least the BBC can do is address this issue quickly and ensure it does not happen. 
 

All I see you doing is complaining about the article. talk about cancel culture. Oh wait, your a guardian reader. Figures. 

[Patong2021]

6 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I agree with your objection to 'workplace bullying' and with your last statement, but what should we do about people who wear a USA flag pin on their lapel or a cross or Star of David on a necklace in the workplace? Where do you draw the line? 

 

There is an obvious distinction between activities intended to promote a political position and  those of personal religious belief.

The wearing of a modest cross or star of david is not an intrusion. It can be considered a fashion accessory for some. 

It is not inappropriate for US nationals to wear a US flag pin in their lapel when they are in the USA or are representing the USA in an official capacity.  After all, they are  citizens of the USA, and in the USA.  It is also acceptable for other people in other countries to do similar. 

[Nick Carter icp]

The National Union of Journalists has confirmed to Jewish News that BBC journalists have resigned from the union after it distributed directives from the TUC urging workers to dress in Palestinian colours, or wear a keffiyeh, as part of a Day of Action for Palestine.

The TUC has called for a permanent ceasefire, the cessation of violence in Gaza and release of all hostages. But in recommending Palestinian dress as part of the event, due to take place on Thursday 28 November, some NUJ members at the BBC feel their union has crossed a line.

One BBC staffer said the suggestion was a clear breach of the BBC’s commitment to impartial reporting, telling The Times: “BBC journalists, who pride themselves on impartiality and who fought to keep their NUJ free of politics, are being encouraged to break the BBC’s editorial guidelines by supporting a political cause”. They added that they were reconsidering their NUJ membership after the “hypocritical and antisemitic” action.

 

 

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/bbc-staff-quit-journalists-union-after-being-told-to-dress-in-palestinian-colours/

[dinsdale]

Shouldn't even be a conversation. BBC is publicly funded and should be apolitical and unbiased. Sadly the reality is that the BBC has gone 100% woke. Same as the ABC in Australia and the CBC in Canada.

Edited 6 hours ago by dinsdale

[georgegeorgia]

20 hours ago, Denim said:

 

No problem. Just show the Palestinian flag on Monday and Wednesday, the star of David on Tuesday and Thursday , a Ukrainian flag on Fridays, Taiwanese flag on Saturdays then all take the knee on Sundays.

 

Everybody happy .

Sounds prejudice 

Where's the LGBT flag?

[RuamRudy]

10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I do disagree  : ALL pro Palestinian supporters  , All Hamas supporters, ALL Anti semites, ALL Nazis , all the Israel hating LBTG mob , ALL UN/UNRWA members who should support the Palestinians  should  all wear the Palestinians flag in full view when in public .

   Just so that we all know 

 

Maybe make it simpler - why not just force everyone you don't like to wear an easily identifiable symbol on their sleeve? 

[Bkk Brian]

21 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Maybe make it simpler - why not just force everyone you don't like to wear an easily identifiable symbol on their sleeve? 

Not surprising you came up with that one.

[RuamRudy]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not surprising you came up with that one.

 

Good lord, are you serious? Yes, I think you probably are. 

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Maybe make it simpler - why not just force everyone you don't like to wear an easily identifiable symbol on their sleeve? 

I'm up for an anti-Starmer arm band!

[RuamRudy]

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Shouldn't even be a conversation. BBC is publicly funded and should be apolitical and unbiased. Sadly the reality is that the BBC has gone 100% woke. Same as the ABC in Australia and the CBC in Canada.

 

I suggest that you read the article. It's not a BBC suggestion but comes from the TUC. 

A murdoch muck spreader has published a disingenuous article to whip up the perma angry into a rage against the BBC when the BBC is not a party in the story. As this thread makes clear, they are very effective at riling the willingly gullible. 

Edited 2 hours ago by RuamRudy

[Bkk Brian]

37 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Good lord, are you serious? Yes, I think you probably are. 

About as serious as you were or perhaps it really did go straight over your head

[Bkk Brian]

47 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I suggest that you read the article. It's not a BBC suggestion but comes from the TUC. 

A murdoch muck spreader has published a disingenuous article to whip up the perma angry into a rage against the BBC when the BBC is not a party in the story. As this thread makes clear, they are very effective at riling the willingly gullible. 

You keep blaming murdoch muck spreading. It's not only in murdoch outlets. Are they all muck spreading?

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

You keep blaming murdoch muck spreading. It's not only in murdoch outlets. Are they all muck spreading?

 

Of course the article was written to damage the BBC. Why, otherwise, does it ignore every other media outlet and focus only on the BBC?

 

Anywhere that has a branch of the NUJ could, potentially, be affected, even the very newspaper the article appears in. 

[Evil Penevil]

BBC mum on union calls for staff to stand with ‘Palestine’

 

"The BBC is maintaining apparent neutrality on a call by a journalists’ union to its members, including BBC employees, to show up at work Thursday wearing items that express solidarity with the Palestinian national cause."

https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/jns/bbc-mum-on-union-calls-for-staff-to-stand-with-palestine/article_2d213158-d962-5731-b77b-cfd2ceef5914.html

 

Does anyone know if any BBC journalists appeared on air wearing Palestinian colors or a keffiyeh?  How about the other 5.5 million TUC members in 47 unions besides the NUJ?  Any real response to the TUC call for solidarity with Palestine?

[RuamRudy]

20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

About as serious as you were or perhaps it really did go straight over your head

 

I get that you are inferring that the idea came from me. But if you had taken a few extra moments to read the post to which I was replying, you would see that I was sardonically summarising the proposal from @Nick Carter icp

 

To be clear, I am not the one calling for the public identification of those who think differently from myself. So please direct your outrage towards him. 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I get that you are inferring that the idea came from me. But if you had taken a few extra moments to read the post to which I was replying, you would see that I was sardonically summarising the proposal from @Nick Carter icp

 

To be clear, I am not the one calling for the public identification of those who think differently from myself. So please direct your outrage towards him. 

I did read the post you were responding to and its now obvious you were ducking and my response went way over your head.........lol

Edited 1 hour ago by Bkk Brian

[Rampant Rabbit]

20 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Read the article - the headline is misleading. The initiative is from the  TUC and NUJ, not the BBC. 

Huh, Unions should be  supporting "their" workers not wasting time on this crap, nothing to do with work at  all Maggie had the right idea to stamp on their BS....Labour of course will sop up to them.

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Of course the article was written to damage the BBC. Why, otherwise, does it ignore every other media outlet and focus only on the BBC?

 

Anywhere that has a branch of the NUJ could, potentially, be affected, even the very newspaper the article appears in. 

Deflection, were the Jewish outlets carrying this also muck spreading? 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I get that you are inferring that the idea came from me. But if you had taken a few extra moments to read the post to which I was replying, you would see that I was sardonically summarising the proposal from @Nick Carter icp

 

To be clear, I am not the one calling for the public identification of those who think differently from myself. So please direct your outrage towards him. 

 

   I was saying that Palestinian supporters should be allowed and encouraged to show their alliance , wear badges to confirm which side they support . 

   That would be wearing badges to show their opinion on a matter , you likened that to Jews being forced to wear identification based on their Religion in Nazi Germany . 

   There's a big difference from being forced to wear badges because of your religion and wearing badges to show your opinion on a matter .

  This thread is about people being asked to show their support for Palestine by the T.U.C.

   Why not liken the T.U.C's request  to the Nazis ?

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Of course the article was written to damage the BBC. Why, otherwise, does it ignore every other media outlet and focus only on the BBC?

 

Anywhere that has a branch of the NUJ could, potentially, be affected, even the very newspaper the article appears in. 

More "muck spreading" from a non Murdoch media outlet. Your fake rage is amusing.......

 

BBC journalists resign from their union after being asked to wear clothes with the colors of the Palestinian flag

The reporters expressed outrage at the request made on the occasion of the "Day of Action for Palestine." One journalist said it was "a hostile environment for Jews."

BBC's anti-Israeli bias
Last September, a report by barrister Trevor Asserson, reviewed by The Telegraph, revealed that the BBC broke its own guidelines of conduct more than 1,500 times in its coverage of the Israel-Hamas war to demonize the Jewish state.

https://voz.us/en/world/241128/18651/bbc-journalists-resign-from-their-union-after-being-asked-to-wear-clothes-in-the-colors-of-the-palestinian-flag.html

[RuamRudy]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I did read the post you were responding to and its now obvious you were ducking and my response went way over your head.........lol

 

Then please explain the intent of your response to help someone as thick as me to understand. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

 

Then please explain the intent of your response to help someone as thick as me to understand. 

No problem...........here it is again for you............

 

4 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Maybe make it simpler - why not just force everyone you don't like to wear an easily identifiable symbol on their sleeve? 

 

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not surprising you came up with that one.

If you can give it then learn to take it.