Warning Signs: The Looming Collapse of a Critical Ocean System

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, rickudon said:

Co2 levels are higher than they have been in a million years, and physics indisputably proves that CO2 warms the atmosphere.

Water vapour is apparently the largest greenhouse gas, but governments never mention that as it would be hard taxing water vapour.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Of course to the uneducated and inexperienced... nothing is obvious.. you've nicely confirmed you lack of knowledge.

 

It seems you're so naive that you expect some simple, cheap and effective solution for a planet wide problem. 

I never mentioned simple or cheap. Making it up as usual.

Are you saying we should use ineffective solutions?

Edited 15 hours ago by thaibeachlovers

[BritManToo]

On 12/2/2024 at 8:21 AM, Yagoda said:

Is this related to the Ice Age they were predicting 40 years ago?

I thought we hit the tipping point already and were all doomed.

Don't worry, there's always 10 years left ...........

 

[Yagoda]

4 hours ago, tomazbodner said:

Great you're putting your intelligence on display for all to see.

Well since your so smart, answer the question. Here Ill make it easier, what was the average world wide temperature between dec 1, 1522 and dec 1, 1532?

 

Surely if the world is warming to the point of crisis (as it was cooling to the point of crisis 40 years ago) that question should be answerable.

 

 

[tomazbodner]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Well since your so smart, answer the question. Here Ill make it easier, what was the average world wide temperature between dec 1, 1522 and dec 1, 1532?

 

Surely if the world is warming to the point of crisis (as it was cooling to the point of crisis 40 years ago) that question should be answerable.

 

 

You still don't get it.

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I suspect it's the "man made" part they don't believe. It's a bit hard to deny that climate is changing.

 

IMO the man made part was introduced so governments could levy more taxes and give taxpayers money to countries that are making zero attempts to prepare for natural climate change. They want to give a trillion $ to "poor countries" LOL, but no mention of how the money would be spent. One suspects very little of whatever money is given gets past certain government pockets.

I tend to agree a lot of money dedicated to climate change is badly directed. Carbon Capture and Storage ( CCS ) is an example, thermodynamic BS. There is not a single CCS facility operating to design specifications. Billions have been wasted on white elephants.

 

A 1.1 degree C change in ocean temperature doesn't sound like much. In fact, it represents a massive amount of energy.

 

The Russian Tsar Bomba is the most powerful nuke ever detonated. It produced an energy output of 2 X 10*17 joules.

 

The total volume of the world's oceans is approximately 1.335 billion cubic kilometres.

 

To raise the temperature of the world's oceans by a single degree requires 5,45 X 10*24 joules. I.e 7 orders of magnitude greater than the Tsar Bomba.

 

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Water vapour is apparently the largest greenhouse gas, but governments never mention that as it would be hard taxing water vapour.

We can do something about the amount of carbon dioxide we generate. AFAIK nothing can be done to prevent generation of water vapor.

 

Every 1 degree C increase in temperature results in the atmosphere holding 7% more water.

[newbee2022]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I suspect it's the "man made" part they don't believe. It's a bit hard to deny that climate is changing.

 

IMO the man made part was introduced so governments could levy more taxes and give taxpayers money to countries that are making zero attempts to prepare for natural climate change. They want to give a trillion $ to "poor countries" LOL, but no mention of how the money would be spent. One suspects very little of whatever money is given gets past certain government pockets.

I don't agree. Clean air and lower (as it's now) temperature is not for free unless you're ready to pay for it by giving knowledge and money to "undeveloped" countries to save the environment and to reduce CO2 output. Of course, if you are a 78 yo President you will not care about climate change.

[Yagoda]

4 hours ago, tomazbodner said:

You still don't get it.

Translation: I cant answer the question.

[Lacessit]

6 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Well since your so smart, answer the question. Here Ill make it easier, what was the average world wide temperature between dec 1, 1522 and dec 1, 1532?

 

Surely if the world is warming to the point of crisis (as it was cooling to the point of crisis 40 years ago) that question should be answerable.

 

 

The first thermoscope was invented in 1592. It could only measure temperature changes, not specific measurements.

 

There is no accurate answer to your question. Red Indians in America and Aborigines in Australia did not have thermometers to get average data until 300 years later.

 

Asking scientists to measure the temperature from ice cores and tree rings over a 10 year period in the Middle Ages is too small a time span. Try 100 years, you might get an answer.

 

We know the average sea temperature has risen by 1.1 C since the Industrial Revolution. We also know CO2 levels have gone from 300 ppm to 420 ppm. QED.

Edited 6 hours ago by Lacessit

[still kicking]

On 12/2/2024 at 9:18 AM, RichardColeman said:

Easy fix 200% tariff on everything from india, China and other mass polluting countries. Turn it off at source, little point in us doing anything with them running riot

10 Countries with Highest Total CO₂ emissions in 2019 (Global Carbon Project):

Country	CO₂ emissions 2022
China	12667.43
United States	4853.78
India	2693.03
Russia	1909.04
Japan	1082.65
Indonesia	692.24
Iran	686.42
Germany	673.6
South Korea	635.5
Saudi Arabia	607.91

[connda]

Don't worry.  The earth will be nuked before the ice caps melt and oceanic gyres grind to a halt.  I've studied that stuff so I know what happens next - but don't worry.  You're much more likely to either die from a 1,000,000 C fireball or nuclear winter.  The only "climate change" I see in the future is made by thermonuclear Armageddon. But hey - feel free to worry about the ocean currents stopping.  It will take your minds off of the Geo-politics that will probably end the world as ya'll know it.