Trump orders Hostages released

[Yagoda]

Here is the first test for President Trump.

Don't mess with Uncle Sam. Read the whole post.

 

Eliminating Iran's military would be a great start. It's not like they have any way to stop it lol

 

 

 

[Patong2021]

The hostages are most likely long dead.  

Qatar and Hamas have been financing Hamas. It's now up to them to instruct Hamas to release the dead bodies or to tell the Israelis where the bodies can be  found.

[thaibeachlovers]

Success has obviously gone to Trump's head and made him doolally if he thinks they will let the hostages go because he says so.

 

Those people don't care about the west except to hate us.

 

Also, they know that the only thing likely stopping israel going full armageddon on Gaza are the hostages.

The only way any are getting out alive is a permanent ceasefire, and israel getting out of Gaza and letting aid in.

 

It's interesting that the latest "initiatives" never involve Hamas or Hezbollah, as if they don't exist. Eg the "ceasefire" agreement with Lebanon didn't involve Hezbollah, just the incompetent, corrupt and useless Lebanese government.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 12/3/2024 at 3:09 PM, Yagoda said:

Don't mess with Uncle Sam. Read the whole post.

I don't read twit thing, but if Trump starts another war in the M E he is an idiot. No war the US has been involved in in the M E has turned out well for the US.

 

[bkk6060]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't read twit thing, but if Trump starts another war in the M E he is an idiot. No war the US has been involved in in the M E has turned out well for the US.

 

And there has never been a Commander in Chief like Trump.  Wait and see.

[Yagoda]

33 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't read twit thing, but if Trump starts another war in the M E he is an idiot. No war the US has been involved in in the M E has turned out well for the US.

 

The hell they get isnt going to be a "war."

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Success has obviously gone to Trump's head and made him doolally if he thinks they will let the hostages go because he says so.

 

Those people don't care about the west except to hate us.

 

Also, they know that the only thing likely stopping israel going full armageddon on Gaza are the hostages.

The only way any are getting out alive is a permanent ceasefire, and israel getting out of Gaza and letting aid in.

 

It's interesting that the latest "initiatives" never involve Hamas or Hezbollah, as if they don't exist. Eg the "ceasefire" agreement with Lebanon didn't involve Hezbollah, just the incompetent, corrupt and useless Lebanese government.

It's interesting that the latest "initiatives" never involve Hamas or Hezbollah, as if they don't exist. Eg the "ceasefire" agreement with Lebanon didn't involve Hezbollah, just the incompetent, corrupt and useless Lebanese government.

 

Speaking up for the murderous terrorists then, no surprise there from you, a common theme in all your posts. Maybe you'd prefer Trump to invite them all to Mar-a-Lago for a lavish evening meal to discuss things like gentlemen..........

 

[Andre0720]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Success has obviously gone to Trump's head and made him doolally if he thinks they will let the hostages go because he says so.

 

Those people don't care about the west except to hate us.

 

Also, they know that the only thing likely stopping israel going full armageddon on Gaza are the hostages.

The only way any are getting out alive is a permanent ceasefire, and israel getting out of Gaza and letting aid in.

 

It's interesting that the latest "initiatives" never involve Hamas or Hezbollah, as if they don't exist. Eg the "ceasefire" agreement with Lebanon didn't involve Hezbollah, just the incompetent, corrupt and useless Lebanese government.

Charlie Kirk: What would change your vote for Trump?. Wars... Well he was the first president in 32 years for no new wars.... New war under Obama, new war under Bush, new war under Clinton, new war under Biden.... No new wars under Trump for 4 years..... Hummmm, as I was saying. All about power................. https://youtube.com/shorts/mizFLnPXR_4?si=aEyBS4RgqYrpPigN

What Would Change your Vote for TRUMP?!😱🔥 #charliekirk #debate

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And......

but many leaders were hesitant to start belligerence in this world, when the most powerful country is overlooking. And the USA became very weak under Biden

 

Take a listen....................... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84_3Hc7J0Uo

[Tropicalevo]

Goodness me, the unguided missile has finally said something sensible. 

[Jim Blue]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't read twit thing, but if Trump starts another war in the M E he is an idiot. No war the US has been involved in in the M E has turned out well for the US.

 

There are a few defence contractors who might disagree with you.

[Nick Carter icp]

On 12/5/2024 at 4:05 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Success has obviously gone to Trump's head and made him doolally if he thinks they will let the hostages go because he says so.

 

 

   Hamas are in talks about releasing the USA hostages .

Why was the deadline that Donald gave them to release the USA hostages ?

 

WSJ: Hamas agrees to IDF troops temporarily staying in Gaza in hostage-ceasefire deal

 

 

"According to the Wall Street Journal, the two sides are considering a 60-day ceasefire in which up to 30 hostages — including US citizens — would be released."

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/wsj-hamas-agrees-to-idf-troops-temporarily-staying-in-gaza-in-hostage-ceasefire-deal/

[simple1]

The Israelis have been bombing Gaza for more than year and still bomb Gaza every day. So Does trump mean he's going to make the rubble bounce or indiscriminately kill more civilians?

[G_Money]

I like Trump’s plan much better than Harris’s would have been….”Don’t”

 

Glad we dodged that bullet.

[Bkk Brian]

49 minutes ago, simple1 said:

The Israelis have been bombing Gaza for more than year and still bomb Gaza every day. So Does trump mean he's going to make the rubble bounce or indiscriminately kill more civilians?

No

 

Trump aides asked Qatar to recall ousted Hamas chiefs in bid to revive hostage talks

Sources tell ToI that after Biden requested terror leaders’ expulsion, president-elect’s team urged reversal of move, deeming Doha’s mediation critical to get a deal before Jan. 20

At the behest of officials from US President-elect Donald Trump’s transition team, Qatar summoned Hamas leaders back to Doha this week in order to revive hostage negotiations, two sources familiar with the matter told The Times of Israel on Friday

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-aides-asked-qatar-to-recall-ousted-hamas-chiefs-in-bid-to-revive-hostage-talks/

 

Security chiefs discuss hostage deal in Cairo as Israel sees growing chances
Senior Israeli official believes Hamas has changed mind on truce, which may be possible before Trump inauguration; White House says terror group’s isolation may bring it to table.

room overseeing a mission to release hostages in the Gaza Strip, June 8, 2024. (Shin Bet security services)
Israeli security chiefs discussed efforts to reach a hostage release deal with senior officials in Cairo Tuesday, as Jerusalem assessed that the chances of Hamas seeking an agreement had increased.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/security-chiefs-discuss-hostage-deal-in-cairo-as-israel-sees-growing-chances/

[simple1]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

No

 

Trump aides asked Qatar to recall ousted Hamas chiefs in bid to revive hostage talks

Sources tell ToI that after Biden requested terror leaders’ expulsion, president-elect’s team urged reversal of move, deeming Doha’s mediation critical to get a deal before Jan. 20

At the behest of officials from US President-elect Donald Trump’s transition team, Qatar summoned Hamas leaders back to Doha this week in order to revive hostage negotiations, two sources familiar with the matter told The Times of Israel on Friday

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-aides-asked-qatar-to-recall-ousted-hamas-chiefs-in-bid-to-revive-hostage-talks/

 

Security chiefs discuss hostage deal in Cairo as Israel sees growing chances
Senior Israeli official believes Hamas has changed mind on truce, which may be possible before Trump inauguration; White House says terror group’s isolation may bring it to table.

room overseeing a mission to release hostages in the Gaza Strip, June 8, 2024. (Shin Bet security services)
Israeli security chiefs discussed efforts to reach a hostage release deal with senior officials in Cairo Tuesday, as Jerusalem assessed that the chances of Hamas seeking an agreement had increased.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/security-chiefs-discuss-hostage-deal-in-cairo-as-israel-sees-growing-chances/

 

I had understood that it is illegal for a President Elect to negotiate with foreign entities prior to taking the Oath of Office?

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

I had understood that it is illegal for a President Elect to negotiate with foreign entities prior to taking the Oath of Office?

Can you state where he has or plans to negotiate directly himself? Why not look up who his hostage envoy is and what he's said on the matter?

[jas007]

On 12/5/2024 at 4:47 AM, Yagoda said:

The hell they get isnt going to be a "war."

Agreed. I think he's talking about the kind of "war" that will be over and done with in 10 minutes.

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Can you state where he has or plans to negotiate directly himself? Why not look up who his hostage envoy is and what he's said on the matter?

 

People reporting to trump, but not yet confirmed in their positions are negotiating. Under the Logan Act my understanding it is illegal for private individuals to negotiate with foreign governments / entities. i.e. One President at a time" during the transition period.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

People reporting to trump, but not yet confirmed in their positions are negotiating. Under the Logan Act my understanding it is illegal for private individuals to negotiate with foreign governments / entities. i.e. One President at a time" during the transition period.

Then better quickly put a stop to this, we wouldn't want the hostages released because of the Logan Act now would we. Can you link to this specifically and how that would indeed stop this humanitarian effort?

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

I had understood that it is illegal for a President Elect to negotiate with foreign entities prior to taking the Oath of Office?

Trump is the MAN! Not even inaugurated and in effect the POTUS already. Given that Biden is out to lunch and Harris has apparently vanished, someone has to do the job. World events don't go on hiatus just because there is a transition period in the US. Normally the current POTUS is still functioning, but, well we all know why Biden isn't doing much. Never has dead duck been a more appropriate description.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

People reporting to trump, but not yet confirmed in their positions are negotiating. Under the Logan Act my understanding it is illegal for private individuals to negotiate with foreign governments / entities. i.e. One President at a time" during the transition period.

You might have a point if Biden wasn't in Lala Land. The rules also state that a POTUS has to be a functioning adult or removed, and if they don't they should.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You might have a point if Biden wasn't in Lala Land. The rules also state that a POTUS has to be a functioning adult or removed, and if they don't they should.

Biden has not been declared as unable to fulfil his official fun functions, if he were, Kamala Harris would then be President until trump is sworn in.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trump is the MAN! Not even inaugurated and in effect the POTUS already. Given that Biden is out to lunch and Harris has apparently vanished, someone has to do the job. World events don't go on hiatus just because there is a transition period in the US. Normally the current POTUS is still functioning, but, well we all know why Biden isn't doing much. Never has dead duck been a more appropriate description.

No, trump isn't the 'man' until he's sworn in.

[simple1]

12 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Then better quickly put a stop to this, we wouldn't want the hostages released because of the Logan Act now would we. Can you link to this specifically and how that would indeed stop this humanitarian effort?

 

There is no guarantee whatsoever that trump can positively contribute to the release of hostages in Gaza prior to his confirmation. . IMO it is not constructive to have two US separate political parties attempting to negotiate, just muddies the waters. However, let's see what happens in the coming month. Maybe Netanyahu has a secret agreement with trump to agree a hostage release deal just after his inauguration.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Biden has not been declared as unable to fulfil his official fun functions, if he were, Kamala Harris would then be President until trump is sworn in.

I'm pretty sure that is the reason Biden is still POTUS. No one wants Harris as POTUS, IMO.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, simple1 said:

 

There is no guarantee whatsoever that trump can positively contribute to the release of hostages in Gaza prior to his confirmation. . IMO it is not constructive to have two US separate political parties attempting to negotiate, just muddies the waters. However, let's see what happens in the coming month. Maybe Netanyahu has a secret agreement with trump to agree a hostage release deal just after his inauguration.

Of course there is no guarantee, its about hope and if any intervention helps in that direction it should be applauded. Can you quote where Trump officials have attempted to have direct talks? Have you actually read the links provided? Did you research what trumps hostage envoy said?

 

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, simple1 said:

No, trump isn't the 'man' until he's sworn in.

That wasn't what I meant. It's like when people say to someone  "you're the MAN". Nothing to do with being POTUS.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Maybe Netanyahu has a secret agreement with trump to agree a hostage release deal just after his inauguration.

Apparently that is what happened with Carter. The Iranians waited till his successor was installed to release the US embassy staff.

[simple1]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That wasn't what I meant. It's like when people say to someone  "you're the MAN". Nothing to do with being POTUS.

 

Woosh....

[simple1]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Of course there is no guarantee, its about hope and if any intervention helps in that direction it should be applauded. Can you quote where Trump officials have attempted to have direct talks? Have you actually read the links provided? Did you research what trumps hostage envoy said?

 

 

An example...

 

https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/12/09/trumps-hostage-envoy-the-president-said-he-wants-the-hostages-and-he-will-get-them/

 

Plus trump endeavours to 'negotiate' by tweets / social media posts