non O based on marriage visa extension

[oldcpu]

28 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

I'm 45 and I didn't work enough in France to get retirement.

 

 Ok - apologies - and perhaps topic for a different thread but ...

 

Short form:  Have you checked with the French pension office to see if you can change this by a small OFFICIAL pension payment? 

 

Long form:

 

I worked for just over 4.5 years in Germany in a Germany registered company, and I initially only contributed to the German pension system for those 4.5 years. 

 

One needs to contribute to the German pension system for 5 years (in addition to working for some TBD period (I can't recall details)).  I went to the local German tax office (with a German friend who could translate if needed - but as it turns out a translator wasn't needed).

 

The German pension official was very helpful. He noted because of an agreement between Germany and Canada (where I worked for 27 years in Canada) that time working in Canada qualified me for a German pension , IF I would have contributed for 5 years to the German system.

 

The German pension official then did a calculation, and advised if I sent the German government some amount of money (to bring my contribution from ~4.5 years to 5 years equivalent). He printed out on the spot an official letter advising me of this.

 

As soon as I was home that night, I immediately transferred money to the German government, and within about a month or so I started receiving a pension.   A few months of pension payments PAID for the amount I gave to the German government. 

 

Mind you, I was 20 years older than you.

 

So ok ... at age-45 you are not old enough to receive a pension ...  but keep your records here ... and when you have the chance , dependent on your circumstances, it may be worth your while the next time you are in France to visit the government office to see what if anything can be arranged.

 

And if you have already done such - my apologies for (1) suggesting an investigation you have already done , and (2) apologies for slightly side tracking this thread.

[Lolothai]

@oldcpuThat's interesting, thanks for the info but as I said it's not much of an option for me as I need to work.

 

Regarding the map to draw, the drawing has to be from the house to where?

[oldcpu]

49 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

 

Regarding the map to draw, the drawing has to be from the house to where?

 

In Phuket , when I used to be on a Type-OA (and later a Type-O) non-immigrant visa, for my annual extensions, the map I had to draw was directions from the local Immigration office to the Phuket condominium unit where I lived.

 

In the case of Phuket immigration , the Phuket immigration volunteers note on their web page that Phuket immigration asks those going for an extension to provide:  "Map to Residence with GPS coordinates"

 

 

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, Lolothai said:

Regarding the map to draw, the drawing has to be from the house to where?

Immigration offices vary on what they want re map

Example, for CW just a hand drawn map showing location of condo/house with street name and to closest main intersection. 

Certainly not map from dwelling to immigration office.

Some want more.

Check with your immigration office 

[Lolothai]

Oh I just see that the marriage certificate Khor Ror 2 has to be updated, where do you update it?

[Lolothai]

seems to be at the local Amphoe, how long the update is valid?

[oldcpu]

7 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

Oh I just see that the marriage certificate Khor Ror 2 has to be updated, where do you update it?

 In Phuket , for my Kor 22 (foreign marriage registration) the update had to be done at the Phuket Municipality office.  My wife uses the Thai word:  เทศบาล

 

[Lolothai]

so the nearest Tessaban from where I'm living now?

[Lolothai]

Does it take long time?

[DrJack54]

33 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

seems to be at the local Amphoe, how long the update is valid?

https://aseannow.com/topic/1316076-kor-ror-2-for-non-o-marriage-extension/

[sandyf]

21 hours ago, Lolothai said:

I'm 45 and I didn't work enough in France to get retirement.

I think I'm going to do this, will try on 12 at rayong, at least to get some advise on my current documentation.

Then border bounce on 16 December with agency, after this I will fill TM30 and register myself at Ratchaburi, however I'm wondering if it's a problem later to renew my work permit. I will try to get Non O single entry (90 days) in Ratchaburi and then get 1 year extension in Ratchaburi too.

Am I correct?

There is nothing to be lost in making an application. There could be issues that arise that cannot be addressed in the timeframe. I do not have children but do not really see that they would be required for a marriage based extension.

The grey area is income, I have only done income from outside the country and that required a 12 month statement showing monthly income so I would imagine something similar supported by evidence from employer. Bank documents need to be obtained day of going to immigration.

Other sticking points can be KR2 and witnesses. The KR 2 should be recent and can be obtained at any amphur and does not take very long. You should check with immigration regarding witnesses. I am in Chonburi and all we need do is take copies of ID and housebook for 2 people but you may be required to have them go in person.

You need to bear in mind the extension is not granted immediately, there is a 30 day waiting period during which you will most likely have a home visit which will require both you and your wife, and possibly the children. 

If you cannot get the extension in the timeframe you should ask immigration if it is possible to convert visa exempt to Non O using Thai income, I do not see why not but others will say it cannot be done.

That may determine Plan B, you may well have to get another SE Non O visa outside the country.

[sandyf]

21 hours ago, Lolothai said:

 

Regarding the map to draw, the drawing has to be from the house to where?

The map is required for the driver doing the home visit, so would be from immigration to your residence.

Different offices, different requirements, even on different days. Ours started to accept a google print but then went back to hand drawn, nearest main road to the house. Wife just did it there and then.

[Tookea]

@Lolothai Take your wife to your local Immigration office and ask them, ideally meticulously documenting what they tell you, and do what they tell you to do. 

You are just asking for trouble using anything else as your source of information.  You want people helping you who have seen your face, who make decisions, and know that in the future they will deal with you and your visa.  

I know this from painful experience.

[Rob Browder]

On 12/10/2024 at 11:04 AM, Lolothai said:

I think I'm going to do this, will try on 12 at rayong, at least to get some advise on my current documentation.

Then border bounce on 16 December with agency, after this I will fill TM30 and register myself at Ratchaburi, however I'm wondering if it's a problem later to renew my work permit. I will try to get Non O single entry (90 days) in Ratchaburi and then get 1 year extension in Ratchaburi too.

Re: a 60-day "visit wife" extension from immigration:

 - You can only get a 60-day extension from immigration in-country if you have NOT received one of those after your last entry to Thailand.

Re: Border-Bounce for 60-day Visa Exempt entry:
 - If you do a "border bounce" for a Visa-Exempt entry, you would then need to apply for a Non-O "Visa" at Thai Immigration, which will give you 90-days. 

In the last 30-45 days of that, you would apply for the 1-year "Extension" of that Non-O Visa. 

 

Re: Applying somewhere you do not live right now:

 - You would need to provide pictures of you and your wife at the home where you apply, in addition to the other documents.  Pictures will need to include the house-number, with both of your out-front, and inside the house.  Take 20+ pictures, and let the IO pick-and-choose their favorites.

 - You and your wife plus Thai witnesses with their house-registrations and Thai-IDs, testifying you live there together (varies by immigration-office), would need to be available at that home for a "Home Visit" from Immigration after your 90-day Visa application and/or again after the 1-year application.

 

Re: Using Income to support immigration's "permission to live with your Thai wife" visa:

 - If using "Income" instead of the 400K "money in the bank" for your extension, Immigration will put the screws to you - demand a pile of company documents needed for a Non-B extension IN ADDITION to the Marriage-based documents they require. 
 - You would need to do that TWICE - fresh company documents and your tax-documents each time - for the Non-O 90-Day "Visa," and subsequent 12-mo extension.

 - Use/borrow/whatever the 400K, if you possibly can, to avoid that - would need it in an account in your name on the day of application for the 90-Day Visa, and 2+ months continuous before you apply for the 12-mo extension, then leaving it there until 30-days after your 90-day Visa end-date - so, from the day you apply for the 90-day visa, then leave it there for 4+ months.