Israel’s Disinformation Campaign Against UNRWA

[Donga]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

I have no problem to call out Hamas as terrorists, but I have no problem either to call Israel as a major part of the problem in the region. As said many times, two wrong, doesnt make one right.

 

Humanitarian workes, is just people to, some seems to forget, and have no problem seeing Humanitarian organizations being taken advantage of, but, there is a limit what they actually do in a warzone, and who influences and infiltrate them on which level. 

Mmmm, not surprised as quite typical of some posters here.
I was responding to your post about IDF approved news..
Soon the defenders of Israel will wake up and claim all lies, and post IDF approved news

I provided you links, none from IDF approved news, which you might care to explore. Then you come up with above?

This thread is about UNRWA, which is clearly a huge part of the problem in Gaza and where ever they operate. They're being called out and hopefully they will be reformed thru further investigation by EU, Trump and belatedly mainstream media.

[novacova]

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Is it?

 

Please tell us if you think Isreal is held to the same standards as other countries.

The USA vetoes again and again and again anything critical about Israel.

 

I don't know what is going on in and around Israel, there are just too many different versions of the news.

Fact is, Isreal does whatever they want. Or who is holding them up to the same standards?

If I lived in the desert where only the laws of ambiguity existed and someone was throwing rocks at my house and killing off family members and pets, I would mow them down crush them and stomp them into obliteration and would care less about what others thought.

[BigStar]

7 hours ago, Social Media said:

Based on a report by UNRWA Press Release 2024-12-11

 

Heh. Says it all, really. 

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Reported by the IDF.

At the same time all independent agencies are reporting on the atrocities committed by Israel and the IDF.

Umh independent agencies reporting?

 

You either are allowed in to report and film etc by the Israeli's, or you just accept and repeat what HAMAS tell you.

 

Israel is a country with a free press. It is a country with a volatile politically aware population, who certainly speaks their mind in their often chaotic yet essentially free domestic political environment, to which the International press has access. Do you really think they could cover up, politically or physically, the sort of genocidal behaviour which is alleged?

 

Or do you just accept what HAMAS claims?

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes it is but its up to you to substantiate your claims with credible links not me.

 

Just read the news, and not just the pro-Isreal news. If you don't close your eyes, then it's not difficult to see alternative versions of what is going on.

 

This is a good start:  

Breaking News, World News and Video from Al Jazeera

 

[OneMoreFarang]

7 minutes ago, novacova said:

If I lived in the desert where only the laws of ambiguity existed and someone was throwing rocks at my house and killing off family members and pets, I would mow them down crush them and stomp them into obliteration and would care less about what others thought.

 

Does that mean you support the Palestinians who were and are driven out of their homes and out of the land in which they lived?

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Just read the news, and not just the pro-Isreal news. If you don't close your eyes, then it's not difficult to see alternative versions of what is going on.

 

This is a good start:  

Breaking News, World News and Video from Al Jazeera

 

I do read the news and there is nothing in there that backs up your numerous false claims.

 

As for this link, why on earth would I credit a terrorist employer, same as UNRWA? What claims of yours does it back up?

 

No wonder all you come out with is unattributed rants after reading Al Jazeera. Just a few of its Hamas reporters, fortunately Israel has also killed a few of them.

 

Six Al-Jazeera reporters are active terrorists in Hamas or Islamic Jihad. Let that sink in. Al-Jazeera cannot be considered a news outlet. It’s a terror support organization.

 

Got anything on the topic after your failed deflections?

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Umh independent agencies reporting?

 

You either are allowed in to report and film etc by the Israeli's, or you just accept and repeat what HAMAS tell you.

 

Israel is a country with a free press. It is a country with a volatile politically aware population, who certainly speaks their mind in their often chaotic yet essentially free domestic political environment, to which the International press has access. Do you really think they could cover up, politically or physically, the sort of genocidal behaviour which is alleged?

 

Or do you just accept what HAMAS claims?

 

 

However, the international press are not being permitted access by Israel to report directly from Gaza.

 

So these claims of ‘free press’ are a little hollow.

[novacova]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Does that mean you support the Palestinians who were and are driven out of their homes and out of the land in which they lived?

In this hypothetical scenario, if the violent perpetrators that had family members and friends living with them, then they would be subject to whatever circumstances of casualty for the welfare of the civility of my domicile. After all, they neglected to control the perpetrators and are part of the problem. 

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

However, the international press are not being permitted access by Israel to report directly from Gaza.

 

So these claims of ‘free press’ are a little hollow.

He was referring to the free press in Israel as you well know. As for international press being allowed into Gaza. Its a war zone. They are allowed so long as they are under the protection of the IDF. Wouldn't want more kidnappings would we?

 

Same as in Ukraine when they seriously limited International reporters. 

 

Reuters/AP still have reporters there.

[OneMoreFarang]

10 minutes ago, novacova said:

In this hypothetical scenario, if the violent perpetrators that had family members and friends living with them, then they would be subject to whatever circumstances of casualty for the welfare of the civility of my domicile. After all, they neglected to control the perpetrators and are part of the problem. 

Ok, let's play that game. What do you think about all those illegal Israel settlements? Should the Palastiansians just kill all of those settlers? After all, they (should) know what they do is illegal. And if they have children then they should not put their children into such illegal operation. What do you think? 

[Social Media]

Off topic personal attack troll post removed @OneMoreFarang

 

The topic here is:

 

Israel’s Disinformation Campaign Against UNRWA

 

Not you closing your eyes to other members and publicily announcing you are placing them on your ignore list. A post on moderation additionaly removed by the same poster. Keep this up it will be more than posts removed.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

He was referring to the free press in Israel as you well know. As for international press being allowed into Gaza. Its a war zone. They are allowed so long as they are under the protection of the IDF. Wouldn't want more kidnappings would we?

 

Same as in Ukraine when they seriously limited International reporters. 

 

Reuters/AP still have reporters there.

It’s not Israeli territory, so there is no basis Israel to decide press access beyond the ‘might is right doctrine’.

 

Nor does the IDF have any roll in protecting anyone beyond Israel’s boarders.

 

And yes like every other war in which reporter access is restricted.

 

 

 

 

[nobodysfriend]

49 minutes ago, novacova said:

If I lived in the desert where only the laws of ambiguity existed and someone was throwing rocks at my house and killing off family members and pets, I would mow them down crush them and stomp them into obliteration and would care less about what others thought.

 

But , but ... that is exactly what the Israeli settlers do .

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s not Israeli territory, so there is no basis Israel to decide press access beyond the ‘might is right doctrine’.

 

Nor does the IDF have any roll in protecting anyone beyond Israel’s boarders.

 

And yes like every other war in which reporter access is restricted.

 

Of course there is, Israel is there currently as an occupying force in a war against terrorists.

[Thingamabob]

4 hours ago, stevenl said:

Reported by the IDF.

At the same time all independent agencies are reporting on the atrocities committed by Israel and the IDF.

'...all independent agencies.. ' You must be joking. Either that, or you are uncommonly naive.

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[Thingamabob]

4 hours ago, animalmagic said:

By the way ... Israel has the right to defend itself when attacked . Of course . - OK, you start well.

But when has Israel been attacked ? - October the 7th, and many other times in the past.

The Hamas terrorists who attacked the festival goers and the kibbuzim wanted to do their hateful acts to hurt and kill some Israelis , because they hate all Israelis . - The Hamas terrorists whose manifesto includes the destruction of Israel and its citizens.  A genocidal manifesto.

That was never meant to be an attack on the state of Israel itself . - Seriously?! An armed intrusion into a sovereign country is not an attack on that country?

Israel " defended " itself by committing a genocide ... you can turn it many times , but it is still that . - The ICC has accused Israel of committing genocide but the actions of Israel did not meet the legal definition of genocide.

So , Israels ' right to defend itself ' did not , never , imply the use of lethal force on a whole population . - Israel has even advised the population of Gaza of when and where they will attack; it is Hamas that keeps them in harm's way as human shields.

As I said before , Israels goal is territorial expansion , and all means are considered good enough to reach that goal . - Israel has given up land for peace and forcibly removed its settlers from Gaza many years ago.  Egypt used to control Gaza and they never gave the Gazans self determination.

Israel, previously called Judea (land of the Jews) was in the same area 500 years before Islam even existed.

Correct. and at a time when the people now generally referred to as Palestinians were known as Philistines.

[Thingamabob]

4 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

You are right .

Just do not wast your time on this one , he is beyond help ...

 

.Posted November 25

 

Not only you suggest that Israel and their actions are above all criticism , but anyone criticizing them is an enemy of humanity ...?

There is something seriously wrong with you ...

More to the point, something seriously wrong with you.

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

However, the international press are not being permitted access by Israel to report directly from Gaza.

 

So these claims of ‘free press’ are a little hollow.

Not at all - the Israeli press is free.

The IDF allow accredited journalists in - it is after all a battle zone and the last thing you want is a bunch of unknown journalists wandering around, for very obvious reasons, they are a danger to themselves and to your own troops. That is why journalists are accredited and embedded. There is plenty of material, video and print coming out of Gaza.

 

HAMAS likewise don't allow journalists, but their various agencies and offices in third countries are happy to furnish material to the International press.

 

Both sides would wish to put their own "slant" on the material which they produce/allow. I suppose it depends on who you find more credible

[loong]

4 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

By the way ... Israel has the right to defend itself when attacked . Of course .

But when has Israel been attacked ?

The Hamas terrorists who attacked the festival goers and the kibbuzim wanted to do their hateful acts to hurt and kill some Israelis , because they hate all Israelis .

That was never meant to be an attack on the state of Israel itself .

Israel " defended " itself by committing a genocide ... you can turn it many times , but it is still that .

So , Israels ' right to defend itself ' did not , never , imply the use of lethal force on a whole population .

 

As I said before , Israels goal is territorial expansion , and all means are considered good enough to reach that goal .

Excuses and justifications can always be found ( as usual ) , later .

 

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But when has Israel been attacked ?

 

There have been uncountable terrorist attacks on Israel from Gaza since Israel completely withdrew from Gaza and leaving the Gazans to govern themselves.

The invasion by Hamas was not just the events of October 7th, 2023. They also launched thousands of missiles at civilian targets and many more missile attacks in the following months. Yes, at Israeli civilian targets as the Palestinians wanted to commit genocide. There are fewer missile attacks nowadays as the IDF have destroyed most of their launch sites. And yes, those launch sites were in amongst residential areas, schools and hospitals! Why were the launch sites positioned there? Because Hamas knew that it would be impossible for the IDF to destroy those embedded military facilities without killing civilians. They wanted as many dead civilians as possible because it makes for good propaganda and makes Israel look bad.

 

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Israel " defended " itself by committing a genocide

 There has been no genocide.

Did you read the report about the effective sacking of the UN expert who stated that Israel is not committing genocide? The UN did not renew her contract simply because it did not fit with the UN's antisemitic agenda.

Really, get real, do you honestly think that Israel is committing genocide? Let face it, if they are, they are doing an extremely poor job! After 14 months of war, if Israel had intended genocide, Gaza would be an unpopulated wasteland. Apparently, with new births, the population of Gaza is actually higher than it was at the start of this war!

Hamas has stated that they want to kill all jews and take Israel for the Muslims. 

Yes. Hamas want to commit genocide, but do not have the ability.
Israel has the ability, but not the inclination to commit genocide.

 

It has always seemed strange to me that every idiot protests about 'genocide' in Gaza, but nobody protests about the 600,000 murdered by Assad in Syria. Maybe nobody cares about Muslims killing Muslims and only react if Jews are involved.

 

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As I said before , Israels goal is territorial expansion

 

In 2005, Gaza was handed to the Gazans to self govern. If the Gazans had just got on with running a successful state, Israel would have left them alone. Israel only entered Gaza because of the savage attack on 7th October, 2023. Israel does not want any of the land in Gaza. Strangely enough, when Egypt started a war with Israel in 1967, they lost Gaza and the Sinai. During peace talks with Egypt, Israel offered to return the Sinai and Gaza, Egypt accepted the Sinai, but they did not want Gaza back. Egypt even built a wall at the border with Gaza. What does that tell you?

[Nick Carter icp]

39 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Correct. and at a time when the people now generally referred to as Palestinians were known as Philistines.

 

   The Palestinians and the Philistines are two different people .

 

The Philistines disappeared from history about 2500 years ago 

[bogozy]

8 hours ago, loong said:

It is only disinformation if it is not true.

Sorriful it is true. A lot of arab workers on the payment list of UNRWA are members of the terror organisation.  That is impossibile, the UNRWA leaders was blind, and see nothing about them.

[Thingamabob]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The Palestinians and the Philistines are two different people .

 

The Philistines disappeared from history about 2500 years ago 

Wrong on both counts.

[loong]

35 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Correct. and at a time when the people now generally referred to as Palestinians were known as Philistines.

 

The Philistines occupied the area around Gaza some 3000 years ago and they were not Arabs. The Romans named the Israel area Palestina, to annoy the conquered Jews. During the Ottoman Empire the area was known as Southern Syria, I believe.

After the end of the Ottoman Empire the area was given to the British to govern and named the British Mandate of Palestine. The Arabs that lived there did not identify as Palestinians, they just called themselves Southern Syrians or Arabs. When the state of Israel was formed, the Jews called themselves Israelis, so nobody referred to themselves as Palestinians anymore, The Russians and Arafat came up with the idea to call the Arabs Palestinians so that it would fool the useful idiots of the world into believing that the Arabs actually had a legitimate claim to the land that they had never owned in history.

 

[Albaby]

6 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

 

Everything that stands in Israels way needs to be bulldozed , exterminated .

A humanitarian organization that helps the palestinian victims ( mostly women and kids ) of a planned genocide ( that has the goal to enable further territorial expansion ) , is clearly an enemy , and Israel seem to consider all means good enough to discredit and exterminate them .

Shame . This post will be soon removed just like all the others that are critical of Israel ...

But anyway ...

This from the   NYT, and they are anti Israel. UNWRA is riddled with Hamas operatives and supporters.

[Albaby]

Just now, Albaby said:

This from the   NYT, and they are anti Israel. UNWRA is riddled with Hamas operatives and supporters.

forgot the link lol. https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-administrators-at-unrwa-schools-were-hamas-fighters-documents-show-nyt/

[Nick Carter icp]

5 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

The Hamas terrorists who attacked the festival goers and the kibbuzim wanted to do their hateful acts to hurt and kill some Israelis , because they hate all Israelis .

That was never meant to be an attack on the state of Israel itself .

 

   That defies logic .

A mass attack on Israeli people living on Israeli land IS an attack on the state of Israel 

[Donga]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Just read the news, and not just the pro-Isreal news. If you don't close your eyes, then it's not difficult to see alternative versions of what is going on.

 

This is a good start:  

Breaking News, World News and Video from Al Jazeera

 

You're kidding aren't you. I mean Al Jazeera news, the ones with journalists who are Hamas... https://honestreporting.com/journalists-with-hamas-ties-a-running-list-of-honestreportings-top-exposures-since-oct-7/

If you want objective news of the Middle East try Al-Monitor funded by an Arab-American... https://www.al-monitor.com/ they are very well regarded... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Monitor

[placnx]

5 hours ago, koolkarl said:

Nonsense.  As an example, several times Israel has given back the Golan mountains as before the muslims would sit at the top and shoot Israeli farmers below.  Every time Israel gave the mountains back, the muslims started shooting again.  Israel wants a buffer zone for security not territorial expansion.  Have you been to Israel?  I have, twice and seen it for myself.

Israel grabbed the Golan Heights in 1967, never gave it back. Around 20 years ago, there were negotiations to give it back, but the problem was whether the Syrian land would extend to the shore of the Sea of Galilee as before, even though the lake's shoreline had receded due to excess use of the water (Syrian position) or the Golan border with Israel would only go to where the shoreline was in 1967 (Israeli position).

[Chomper Higgot]

51 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Not at all - the Israeli press is free.

The IDF allow accredited journalists in - it is after all a battle zone and the last thing you want is a bunch of unknown journalists wandering around, for very obvious reasons, they are a danger to themselves and to your own troops. That is why journalists are accredited and embedded. There is plenty of material, video and print coming out of Gaza.

 

HAMAS likewise don't allow journalists, but their various agencies and offices in third countries are happy to furnish material to the International press.

 

Both sides would wish to put their own "slant" on the material which they produce/allow. I suppose it depends on who you find more credible

It might be argued that the last thing the IDF and Netanyahu /Hamas want is journalists providing cover of stuff the IDF and Netanyahu/Hamas don’t want the rest of the world to see.

 

I don’t find either side credible, they are both engaged in manipulation of the truth.

 

I doubt any claims of concern for the safety of journalists from two sides of a war that have both shown such disregard for lives of innocent civilians.