How many of you were there at the trial and saw the evidence and heard the testimony? How many of you are legally trained and educated? Keep that in mind. Some of your opinions may be well thought out and sensible, others' might be untethered to reality. I agree with what the court has decided for now. In the past it was highly unlikely that a cop would ever get convicted for anything like this, but today is the era of video and cops can't lie and perjure their way out of their crimes. having said that, who cares what I think? I didn't come to Thailand to dwell on the God awful behavior of Americans.

America is a violent place, with criminals who may be armed. It's unsurprising police may respond violently, despite their training.

 

Justine Damond is a case in point, an unarmed woman in a nightdress gunned down by a trigger-happy Minneapolis cop.

 

Was Chauvin wrongly convicted? No. Whatever he was, Floyd was helpless , in handcuffs.

 

This is an extract of the Australian government's US travel advice:

• Violent crime is more common in the United States than in Australia. Gun crime is also prevalent. If you live in the United States, learn and practice active shooter drills.
• There is a persistent threat of mass casualty violence and terrorist attacks in the United States. Be alert, particularly in public places and at events.

Most countries would wear that as a badge of shame.

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

He was never attacked.....

 

Witnesses testified that Neely, who had a history of mental illness, was shouting aggressively on the train, saying things like he was ready to die or go to jail, and this behavior reportedly frightened some passengers.

So, he is even more of a selfless hero then. He rushed to defend women and children from a drugged up and dangerous abuser.  Others also helped him restrain Neely.  

 

If anything, the failure is on the part of New York City. They could not or would not provide the help that Neely needed for the demons that were afflicting him.  Also on his family, who had abandoned him years before and are now cravenly trying to milk the situation for money. 

4 hours ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Why was he being restrained for nine minutes by having his neck knelt on, if he told the officer that he couldn't breathe? Seventeen minutes of being unable to breathe....

Petty criminals don't matter?

 

I do not know the use of force policy for the Minneapolis Police Department but putting a knee on a suspect's neck is not an approved restraint technique in my old department. I have never heard of such technique being taught at any police academy. 

19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

So, he is even more of a selfless hero then. He rushed to defend women and children from a drugged up and dangerous abuser.  Others also helped him restrain Neely.  

 

If anything, the failure is on the part of New York City. They could not or would not provide the help that Neely needed for the demons that were afflicting him.  Also on his family, who had abandoned him years before and are now cravenly trying to milk the situation for money. 

I think Penny responded based upon the hand to hand combat training he received while in the Marine Corps. I have had similar training and the way he restrained Neely is familiar to me.  I wonder if anyone had dialed 911 while this was on going and exactly what the response time for the NY Transit Polcie actually was.  Unless transit officers were nearby I can imagine it probably took 5 to 10 minutes for the first Transit cops to arrive.  Because it was in on a subway train the police would have to respond on foot.   This time frame can feel like eternity when one is restraining a violent and combative suspect.  Based upon what Penny went through I do not believe many will be eager to get involved if a similar incident were to occurr in the future. 

13 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

I think Penny responded based upon the hand to hand combat training he received while in the Marine Corps. I have had similar training and the way he restrained Neely is familiar to me.  I wonder if anyone had dialed 911 while this was on going and exactly what the response time for the NY Transit Polcie actually was.  Unless transit officers were nearby I can imagine it probably took 5 to 10 minutes for the first Transit cops to arrive.  Because it was in on a subway train the police would have to respond on foot.   This time frame can feel like eternity when one is restraining a violent and combative suspect.  Based upon what Penny went through I do not believe many will be eager to get involved if a similar incident were to occurr in the future. 

No kidding. Who wants the hassle?  IMHO he was trying to be rather gentle with Neely. A more natural and aggressive response would have been simply to knock im TF out.  But a restraint hold is a less overtly violent way, especially with so many other innocent bystanders around. 

58 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

America is a violent place, with criminals who may be armed. It's unsurprising police may respond violently, despite their training.

 

Justine Damond is a case in point, an unarmed woman in a nightdress gunned down by a trigger-happy Minneapolis cop.

 

Was Chauvin wrongly convicted? No. Whatever he was, Floyd was helpless , in handcuffs.

 

This is an extract of the Australian government's US travel advice:

• Violent crime is more common in the United States than in Australia. Gun crime is also prevalent. If you live in the United States, learn and practice active shooter drills.
• There is a persistent threat of mass casualty violence and terrorist attacks in the United States. Be alert, particularly in public places and at events.

Most countries would wear that as a badge of shame.

The answer may shock you.  Even highly educated award winning journalist.

 

Don't be a criminal and you won’t have problems with the police.

 

I don’t expect a leftist to understand that simple concept.

40 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

I do not know the use of force policy for the Minneapolis Police Department but putting a knee on a suspect's neck is not an approved restraint technique in my old department. I have never heard of such technique being taught at any police academy. 

In particular after the suspect has already been handcuffed!

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Petty criminals? Didn't he put a gun to a pregnant woman stomach whime robbing her?

 

Good point. He put a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach while his partner pistol whipped her and robbed her. That was hardly mentioned on MSM. 

 

Didn't the coroner originally say that there were no signs of strangulation and asphyxiation but enough Fentanyl in him to kill a horse.

 

I care more about victims rights than a criminals rights. Karma is a b1tch.

 

 

4 hours ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Trump worked the system to his advantage. True or False?

Floyd's crime was being poor.

 

The family certainly aren't poor. Weren't they awarded millions before it even went to trial?

20 minutes ago, OnTheLash said:

 

The family certainly aren't poor. Weren't they awarded millions before it even went to trial?

 

Is that your idea of intelligent comment? I guess the dumb extremists would happily lap up that kind of stupidity.

There are certainly a lot of questions about the trial.  You have to wonder, if the doctor who carried out the autopsy, found that the guy had died of a fentanyl overdose, would he have said that, or would he have felt like he would be getting a target on his back for doing so?

3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

There are certainly a lot of questions about the trial.  You have to wonder, if the doctor who carried out the autopsy, found that the guy had died of a fentanyl overdose, would he have said that, or would he have felt like he would be getting a target on his back for doing so?

Wouldn't have dared. He/she would be a dead man walking. Remember, the verdict was decided on day one, and the narrative was poor defenceless angel GF being attacked for no reason by evil white supremacist DC. No deviation or discussion permitted. 

As further reminder of how utterly deranged times we were in back then, just think of Senator Schumer and cohorts whipping up mobs to surround poor judge Kavanaughs house and AOC's loony run train false narrative and just the sheer hatred and malevolance on display. Cities were being ransacked and looted and the likes of kamala and waters encouraging it snd promising to pay bail for these lowlives. What crazy times!!!

Chauvin needs a new trial without threat and interference from the left and their diabolical media.

 

53 minutes ago, G_Money said:

The answer may shock you.  Even highly educated award winning journalist.

 

Don't be a criminal and you won’t have problems with the police.

 

I don’t expect a leftist to understand that simple concept.

 

Nonsense...there are lots of people who weren't criminals who have been victimised and even killed by the police in the USA.

Just more utter garbage from the disgusting extremists here. 

 

Savannah Graziano

Philando Castile

 

...........

 

7 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Nonsense...there are lots of people who weren't criminals who have been victimised and even killed by the police in the USA.

Just more utter garbage from the disgusting extremists here. 

 

Savannah Graziano

Philando Castile

 

...........

 

Like poor unarmed Ashley Babbit? True. But GF's dreadful decisions while zonked out his brain on fentanyl and whatever else and violently resisting arrest. Was never going to end well no matter how patient Chavin was.

20 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Is that your idea of intelligent comment? I guess the dumb extremists would happily lap up that kind of stupidity.

I'm just stating facts, nothing extremist about that.

12 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Nonsense...there are lots of people who weren't criminals who have been victimised and even killed by the police in the USA.

Just more utter garbage from the disgusting extremists here. 

 

Savannah Graziano

Philando Castile

 

...........

 

 

There are far more law abiding citizens that have been victimised and killed by criminals. My sympathy is with them. There is nothing extremist about that.

1 hour ago, sqwakvfr said:

I do not know the use of force policy for the Minneapolis Police Department but putting a knee on a suspect's neck is not an approved restraint technique in my old department. I have never heard of such technique being taught at any police academy. 

 

 Chauvin used the "maximal restraint technique," I believe the witnesses on the stand denied there was a knee technique

 

 

MPD training materials show knee-to-neck restraint similar to the one used on Floyd
 

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/minneapolis-police-training-materials-show-knee-to-neck-restraint-similar-to-used-on-george-floyd/89-9f002e3f-972a-4410-86cb-50a1237fc496

4 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Like poor unarmed Ashley Babbit? True. But GF's dreadful decisions while zonked out his brain on fentanyl and whatever else and violently resisting arrest. Was never going to end well no matter how patient Chavin was.

 

The main thing is that Chauvin is in prison, where he belongs. Further discussion is superfluous. 

Just now, OnTheLash said:

 

There are far more law abiding citizens that have been victimised and killed by criminals. My sympathy is with them. There is nothing extremist about that.

 

Further exhibition of your 'intelligence'. Enough said.

17 hours ago, riclag said:

I just saw a comment on X  that referenced Derek Chauvin  & George Floyd !

Many seem to think he was innocent!

 

 

If ever was a time to revisit his trial  & commute his sentence it should be during Trump’s

admin.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/4318639-supreme-court-declines-review-derek-chauvins-george-floyd-murder-conviction/

AN is so lucky to have as contributors a shadow (but more just) SCOTUS.  Queue the laugh track and send in the clowns!

20 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Wouldn't have dared. He/she would be a dead man walking. Remember, the verdict was decided on day one, and the narrative was poor defenceless angel GF being attacked for no reason by evil white supremacist DC. No deviation or discussion permitted. 

As further reminder of how utterly deranged times we were in back then, just think of Senator Schumer and cohorts whipping up mobs to surround poor judge Kavanaughs house and AOC's loony run train false narrative and just the sheer hatred and malevolance on display. Cities were being ransacked and looted and the likes of kamala and waters encouraging it snd promising to pay bail for these lowlives. What crazy times!!!

Chauvin needs a new trial without threat and interference from the left and their diabolical media.

 

Your last paragraph says it all!

The lefts influence certainly had Maxine Watters social justice mouth moving in tune to the Msm !

 

7 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

AN is so lucky to have as contributors a shadow (but more just) SCOTUS.  Queue the laugh track and send in the clowns!

I’m not allowed to report you , so I’ll induct you into the room of the ignored!

46 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Nonsense...there are lots of people who weren't criminals who have been victimised and even killed by the police in the USA.

Just more utter garbage from the disgusting extremists here. 

 

Savannah Graziano

Philando Castile

 

...........

 

Why are you deflecting?

 

 Never heard of them.

This isn’t about them.

 

it’s about the Patron Saint of Fentanyl, George Floyd.

 

Did you contribute to and visit his shrine?

1 hour ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Is that your idea of intelligent comment? I guess the dumb extremists would happily lap up that kind of stupidity.

Are you saying they didn't receive 27 million?

37 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Further exhibition of your 'intelligence'. Enough said.

Confirmation that leftists (white) always support the black thugs.

 

Must be your white guilt.

2 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Confirmation that leftists (white) always support the black thugs.

 

Must be your white guilt.

 

Must be... Main thing is that Chauvin is where he belongs. In a cage.

6 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

There is no evidence to suggest that George Floyd’s criminal history or previous behavior was actively suppressed by the mainstream media (MSM) following his death in May 2020. News outlets widely focused on the circumstances of his death, which were central to the case against Derek Chauvin and the subsequent public response. Many media outlets, commentators, and social media posts brought up Floyd’s past legal issues, leading to significant debates about their relevance to the case.

Copy & paste, why not use your own words instead

4 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Are you saying they didn't receive 27 million?

 

I'm saying that if he had US$27,000,000, he wouldn't have been in the position of being killed for passing on an allegedly counterfeit US$20 bill. 

12 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Why are you deflecting?

 

 Never heard of them.

This isn’t about them.

 

it’s about the Patron Saint of Fentanyl, George Floyd.

 

Did you contribute to and visit his shrine?

 

No, it's about Chauvin the thug and murderer being rightfully imprisoned. He didn't care...but now he cares.