Who is "doomed"?

[swissie]

Some posters here are constantly claiming that Russia is "doomed".

- Who is making territorial gains? Who is in the process of winning this war?

The Russian economy is self-sufficient, has an endlees supply of natural/human resources.

 As opposed to the Ukraine, depending to 90% on "foreighn support". Without this foreighn-support, the Ukraine would never have been able to conduct any sort of "effective defensive warfare" against the Russians in the first place.

So, who is "doomed"?

Peace talks next year will show how much territory and state souvereighnity the Ukraine will be able to retain. The price will be high, especially as Donald thinks the price to support a hopeless war is too high already. Far away from his "America First" gospel.

Seems to me, that a number of numb-asses here adhere to the same phlosophy as Adolf, the "red army" merely standing 100 km away from Berlin, still insisting that the "Endsieg" is close at hand.

 

[jvs]

Yes the russians are gaining ground!but are they wining the war?

At what cost?Endless supply of human resources?What is with the North Koreans then?

Gigantic loss of life and material.Economy slowly falling apart.

 

For the worlds second best army to run over a much smaller country in 3 days ?

How much have the really gained?

So who is "doomed"?

No one is as blind as he who does not want to see.

 

 

[frank83628]

  On 12/13/2024 at 12:31 PM, jvs said:

Yes the russians are gaining ground!but are they wining the war?

At what cost?Endless supply of human resources?What is with the North Koreans then?

Gigantic loss of life and material.Economy slowly falling apart.

 

For the worlds second best army to run over a much smaller country in 3 days ?

How much have the really gained?

So who is "doomed"?

No one is as blind as he who does not want to see.

 

 

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Has anyone actually seen any of these North Koreans ?

 

[swissie]

  On 12/13/2024 at 12:31 PM, jvs said:

Yes the russians are gaining ground!but are they wining the war?

At what cost?Endless supply of human resources?What is with the North Koreans then?

Gigantic loss of life and material.Economy slowly falling apart.

 

For the worlds second best army to run over a much smaller country in 3 days ?

How much have the really gained?

So who is "doomed"?

No one is as blind as he who does not want to see.

 

 

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Quote: "Gigantic loss of life and material.Economy slowly falling apart".
Proportionally higher in the Ukraine. Russian economy not falling apart.

Quote: "How much have they really gained"? = 1/4 of the Ukrainian territory so far.

 

[Hummin]

Im afraid Ukraine is doomed to lose this war, as I claimed from the very beginning. I hope Im wrong, but so far, all my predictions have become true. We just have to wait and see if Ukraine give up Crimea and a few of the provinces annected to end the war. 

 

As long Zelensky and Putin rules, there will be no peace. 

 

 

[swissie]

  On 12/13/2024 at 12:43 PM, Hummin said:

Im afraid Ukraine is doomed to lose this war, as I claimed from the very beginning. I hope Im wrong, but so far, all my predictions have become true. We just have to wait and see if Ukraine give up Crimea and a few of the provinces annected to end the war. 

 

As long Zelensky and Putin rules, there will be no peace. 

 

 

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If Donald cuts off the "funding", there will be peace. The Ukraine returning home to the Russian Empire, where they have been for centuries before.

[Hummin]

  On 12/13/2024 at 12:51 PM, swissie said:

If Donald cuts off the "funding", there will be peace. The Ukraine returning home to the Russian Empire, where they have been for centuries before.

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I hope not

[TedG]

  On 12/13/2024 at 12:51 PM, swissie said:

If Donald cuts off the "funding", there will be peace. The Ukraine returning home to the Russian Empire, where they have been for centuries before.

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The people of Ukraine don’t want to be assiocsated with Russia. 

[frank83628]

  On 12/13/2024 at 12:55 PM, Hummin said:

I hope not

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Why, what difference will it make to you?

[frank83628]

  On 12/13/2024 at 1:26 PM, TedG said:

The people of Ukraine don’t want to be assiocsated with Russia. 

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Those ethnics Russians in the east do

[Hummin]

  On 12/13/2024 at 3:12 PM, frank83628 said:

Why, what difference will it make to you?

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Im not a Russian zealot 

[VBer]

  On 12/13/2024 at 1:26 PM, TedG said:

The people of Ukraine don’t want to be assiocsated with Russia

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The people of Crimea don’t want to be associated with Ukraine. To what country in your opinion Crimea should belong?

[dinsdale]

It is as I have posted many times a prolonged attritional war. Russia has more bodies and weapons to throw at it. Russia continues to gain ground. This is the reality. Why wasn't this stopped before it started and once it did start why weren't weapons poured into Ukraine? 

[frank83628]

  On 12/13/2024 at 3:24 PM, Hummin said:

Im not a Russian zealot 

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OK, but what difference will it make to your retirement in Thailand?

[dinsdale]

  On 12/13/2024 at 3:27 PM, VBer said:

The people of Crimea don’t want to be associated with Ukraine. To what country in your opinion Crimea should belong?

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Crimea is gone from Ukraine. Simple as that. Anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong. Russia cannot be pushed back without significant international intervention which is not going to happen and anyone who thinks this will happen is wrong. As it is Russia continues to gain ground and anyone who disputes this is wrong. As far as winning a protracted attritional war, Russia is winning.

[TedG]

  On 12/13/2024 at 3:13 PM, frank83628 said:

Those ethnics Russians in the east do

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Then, they can move to Russia. 

[TedG]

  On 12/13/2024 at 3:27 PM, VBer said:

The people of Crimea don’t want to be associated with Ukraine. To what country in your opinion Crimea should belong?

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Crimea belongs to Ukraine.

[VBer]

  On 12/13/2024 at 11:04 PM, TedG said:

Crimea belongs to Ukraine.

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So in one case opinion of people matters, in another is not. Double standards? Yes.

[Hummin]

  On 12/13/2024 at 3:38 PM, frank83628 said:

OK, but what difference will it make to your retirement in Thailand?

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You are right, Russia takes what they want, China also, so expect Taiwan and most of China sea to fall in hands of China, and there is no Consequenses for neighboring countries at all. Life goes on as it have done.

 

And we can continue, because there is many border conflicts around the world that never have been selved, also in Thailand. Cambodia want land back along Mekong, and also south east islands and sea. Not to forget the insurgents south at the Malaysian border 

[Yagoda]

  On 12/13/2024 at 12:23 PM, swissie said:

Some posters here are constantly claiming that Russia is "doomed".

- Who is making territorial gains? Who is in the process of winning this war?

The Russian economy is self-sufficient, has an endlees supply of natural/human resources.

 As opposed to the Ukraine, depending to 90% on "foreighn support". Without this foreighn-support, the Ukraine would never have been able to conduct any sort of "effective defensive warfare" against the Russians in the first place.

So, who is "doomed"?

Peace talks next year will show how much territory and state souvereighnity the Ukraine will be able to retain. The price will be high, especially as Donald thinks the price to support a hopeless war is too high already. Far away from his "America First" gospel.

Seems to me, that a number of numb-asses here adhere to the same phlosophy as Adolf, the "red army" merely standing 100 km away from Berlin, still insisting that the "Endsieg" is close at hand.

 

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Yo, Ivan:

 

Your rubles are worthless.

Your oil is becoming harder and harder to sell.

You are basicaly defenseless in the Far East so you need to suck Xis you know what.

You have no tanks

Your Air Force is 2nd rate.

Your population is restive.

You can only do biz with loser scumbag countries.

You are under the thumb of China

Your leader is old and twitchy.

Your infrastructure is 3rd world.

You can barely feed yourself.

You dont manufacture anything other than weapons which are second rate and no one wants, besides, you need to reequip yourself.

You dont have a Navy

You are bottled up in the Baltic

Your intelligentsia has fled.

Your inaction in Syria has cost you all of your credibility among the Arabs and Africa

Your satraps and allies are disintegrating.

All you can do is threaten nukes and be an annoyance.

 

 

 

[frank83628]

  On 12/13/2024 at 11:03 PM, TedG said:

Then, they can move to Russia. 

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No need, Russia moved to them!

[frank83628]

  On 12/14/2024 at 1:34 AM, Hummin said:

You are right, Russia takes what they want, China also, so expect Taiwan and most of China sea to fall in hands of China, and there is no Consequenses for neighboring countries at all. Life goes on as it have done.

 

And we can continue, because there is many border conflicts around the world that never have been selved, also in Thailand. Cambodia want land back along Mekong, and also south east islands and sea. Not to forget the insurgents south at the Malaysian border 

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You forgot Israel, they seem to be doing whatever they want right now.

[RichardColeman]

Never be peace as long as their is a demand Russia pays reparations. Putin might want to end the war but the cost of payback may cripple russia

[mokwit]

  On 12/13/2024 at 12:43 PM, swissie said:

Quote: "Gigantic loss of life and material.Economy slowly falling apart".
Proportionally higher in the Ukraine. Russian economy not falling apart.

Quote: "How much have they really gained"? = 1/4 of the Ukrainian territory so far.

 

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I think the question is how much of the Ukrainian army have they destroyed.

[Hummin]

  On 12/14/2024 at 2:30 AM, frank83628 said:

You forgot Israel, they seem to be doing whatever they want right now.

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Not forgotten, both parts have a long history of violent revenge, and two evil doesnt make one right? Or?

 

If you look at in a bigger picture and pure strategic, Israel acting as Gods Fist in an chaotic part of the world, doing the west an favor as long as it holds their borders. 

 

An empire needs bullies to do the dirty work, like Saddam Hussain once was, sponsored and acted on the empires wish, until he understood he was backstabbed. 

 

All very simplified of course, but there is big lines where sacrifices has to be done on both sides. 

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 12/13/2024 at 3:24 PM, Hummin said:

Im not a Russian zealot 

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Are you Ukrainian? Do you have family, friends anyone that you love in Ukraine? Do you have a business there, or plan to start one? Are you intending to move there after the war?

Any reason at all to have a personal interest in Ukraine?

If not any of the above, why do you care? There is a far worse conflict going on in Sudan, compared to which Ukraine is a side show, bar the threat of WW3 and nuclear winter, so do you have any opinions concerning that, or is it "nothing to do with you" just as Ukraine is if you answered no to all my above questions, or is it that Ukrainians are white and Sudanese are not?

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 12/14/2024 at 2:39 AM, mokwit said:

I think the question is how much of the Ukrainian army have they destroyed.

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That would depend on how long the NATO countries are willing to send them bullets etc. Not much of an army if all they can do is point the rifle at the enemy and shout "BANG".

[Hummin]

  On 12/14/2024 at 3:39 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you Ukrainian? Do you have family, friends anyone that you love in Ukraine? Do you have a business there, or plan to start one? Are you intending to move there after the war?

Any reason at all to have a personal interest in Ukraine?

If not any of the above, why do you care? There is a far worse conflict going on in Sudan, compared to which Ukraine is a side show, bar the threat of WW3 and nuclear winter, so do you have any opinions concerning that, or is it "nothing to do with you" just as Ukraine is if you answered no to all my above questions, or is it that Ukrainians are white and Sudanese are not?

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Russia is our neighbor, we sharing coastline, mutual interest in our economic zones, and to be on the other side of the world, you are mildly said quotr ignorant when it comes to Russias affairs outside their borders, but surprisingly more educated on USA, who is our allie, and keeps our common interests in check for now. We will see when your favorite president takes the seat how this will continue. 

 

https://www.thebarentsobserver.com/security/russian-inner-bastion-exercise-overlaps-into-norwegian-economic-zone/163096

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 12/14/2024 at 3:13 AM, Hummin said:

If you look at in a bigger picture and pure strategic, Israel acting as Gods Fist in an chaotic part of the world, doing the west an favor as long as it holds their borders. 

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The west doesn't own the M E so why does it need "God's fist"? We haven't had borders there since they became independent. All the west has been doing is causing mayhem and death and destruction. Is that what you want?

[frank83628]

  On 12/14/2024 at 2:38 AM, RichardColeman said:

Never be peace as long as their is a demand Russia pays reparations. Putin might want to end the war but the cost of payback may cripple russia

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Do the US or Iseael pay reparations for any of their destruction in the Middle East