Drunken drama: Russian hospitalised after Bangla brawl

[Karlik Pu]

4 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Kozlov got taught a Thai lesson... 

His last name “kozlov” speaks for itself:)

[norfolkandchance]

3 hours ago, willip said:

Here it goes again!! The farrang is in the wrong. But he's in Thailand now.  So corruption is next!  He's going to have to pay the consequences. Unfortunately they all want a piece of his money. Police. Security. Bar.everyone involved .HOW DEEP ARE HIS POCKETS? 

it wouldn't of happened if he was fighting in Ukraine!!!

Private or Public Hospital.

[Oliver Holzerfilled]

4 hours ago, BritScot said:

Point two, when was mass beat downs ever acceptable? 

Not in this case.  But in cases of incontrovertible child or elder abuse not only is it acceptable it is a moral duty.

[Gecko123]

I do wonder sometimes if the security guards in these go-go bars don't go overboard sometimes showing off in front of the ladies. How hard is it to stick your head out the door and call for some police backup help? I also wonder if the reason these incidents escalate into violence so often is because of language barriers. I have a feeling foreign language proficiency isn't at the top of the list of job requirements for security guard recruits.

[Taboo2]

4 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

I do wonder sometimes if the security guards in these go-go bars don't go overboard sometimes showing off in front of the ladies. How hard is it to stick your head out the door and call for some police backup help? I also wonder if the reason these incidents escalate into violence so often is because of language barriers. I have a feeling foreign language proficiency isn't at the top of the list of job requirements for security guard recruits.

Remember this, those guys never have to show off to the ladies...who do you think the f&&&ED up in the village when they were young?  The same treat you are all lubbed up with in Patts, or Phuket or Samui.  Remember this when you walk by holding hands with the "love of your life"!

 

[Taboo2]

14 minutes ago, norfolkandchance said:

Private or Public Hospital.

He is Russian...so, probably broke, hurt and confused now.

[john donson]

the man on the bed has a big tattoo, the half naked dude on the video has not...

[Ebumbu]

He visciously attacked their knuckles. Guilty! 

[roo860]

18 minutes ago, Taboo2 said:

Remember this, those guys never have to show off to the ladies...who do you think the f&&&ED up in the village when they were young?  The same treat you are all lubbed up with in Patts, or Phuket or Samui.  Remember this when you walk by holding hands with the "love of your life"!

 

By <deleted> that's some weird <deleted> 😕 

[Karlik Pu]

Go back to putistan, Ivan!:)

Your favorite tiny thug Führer 

is waiting for you in the Ukrainian front:)

[RichardColeman]

16 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

when a drunken Russian tourist was hospitalised after a violent altercation with security guards.

What's Russian for go-fund-me to pay hospital bill

[Taboo2]

25 minutes ago, john donson said:

the man on the bed has a big tattoo, the half naked dude on the video has not...

Different vid...two morons acting up in separate incidents.

[Taboo2]

16 minutes ago, roo860 said:

By <deleted> that's some weird <deleted> 😕 

It's true, I live in Patts and talk to them ....they laugh at us and do not respect  us...remember that.  We are hitting their leftovers.

[Cabradelmar]

Sorry to say, but it's come to the point where if security and police don't start thumping fools like this, the chaos of foreign tourist acting badly will only get worse

[richard_smith237]

16 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

It will interest me to see how this thread unfolds.

Will we have the usual farang apologists out in force?

Or not, because he is Russian?

Lets see.

 

I'm certainly not about to apologise for the behavior of these utter morons who start problems - IMO they deserve a night in Police Cells to sober up and face legal penalties for their actions if there has been any property damage or others attacked etc.

 

However, your 'binary' approach will certainly label me as a 'Farang Apologist' for my next comment. 

 

As with anyone who attracts trouble here, the reaction of the Thai bounces escalates to extreme violence very quickly and IMO that is well beyond their remit as security. 

 

These bouncers were hardly hurt yet they managed to beat up this guy so severely he's hospitalised - they went beyond 'security measures' and turned into thugs.

 

I agree with comments that he 'had it coming'...  but the force used is excessive and plenty will use their 'binary approach' as mentioned above, to start throwing out labels ( farang apologist / Thai basher etc )...  dealing with a drunk and disorderly guy 'should' not result in him being hospitalised unless of course doing so is absolutely necessary for the safety of the bouncers and the customers, but we also don't live in that civilised world in Thailand.

 

That said, as also pointed out - these area's of Thailand also have enough of a reputation that anyone who visits such area's should know that if they behave aggressively and attract such attention they will be met with a physical and often violent response... they should have known better.

 

This is a case of uncivilised behavior is met with an uncivilised response - but IMO, just like Police bouncers should be held to a higher account.

 

Perhaps everyone (most) knowing that the response of bouncers is likely to be extreme physical and violent represses a lot of aggressive behavior and only extreme examples like this surface.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, thjames88 said:

i agree it doesnt matter where he from!  but obviously he brought it on himself!    for what ever reason they wanted him to leave but he wasnt going with a please and thank you.  so please explain if it was your business what would you do?   you have staff to protect others in the bar (wnd the bar) and thats what it appears they did, excessive end result maybe but he was the one fighting   and 100% on him    he will prob get off and able to stay, sadly 

 

I think thats the 'grey area' thats going to attract of a log of discussion. 

 

From one perspective we have a thug who violent behaviour requires security intervention.

From another perspective we have security guys who's job it is to protect the staff and other customers. 

 

There are of course going to be some injuries when 3 sober security guys subdue a single drunk, however, did they act excessively by hospitalising him ?... its not the first time.

 

 

I agree with comments that such behavior should be dealt with legally - arrest the Russian guy, then deport him with a black-listing preventing his return - but hospitalising him is excessive force (IMO) bouncers have killed people in the past - their excessive force highlights a lack of restraint, these guys are also thugs. 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

59 minutes ago, john donson said:

the man on the bed has a big tattoo, the half naked dude on the video has not...

 

Two different incidents, the 'half naked dude' kicking off in front of his Wife and and Child was last week... 

... I suspect the video was posted to strengthen the bias that all Russians are bad. 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

If you carry on like a drunken fool expect the same treatment. 

If it's you that misbehaves, I would cheer on the Thai's to give you a smack, knock some sense into you. 

 

I have nothing to be scared of, I don't act the fool, I don't antagonize or provoke others. 

 

Some here have had poor parenting, they need a good beating to be taught a lesson. 

 

I agree...   start getting aggressive and violent and it can be expected that someone, likely a group of Thai's will step up and 'knock some sense into you'...

 

But, there is a difference between getting some sense knocked into you and being put in hospital by bouncers - the lack of restraint could have killed a guy, the force used is excessive. 

 

Perhaps the Russian was excessively strong and would not stop until unconscious - or perhaps they just carried on beating him like thugs...     

 

 

 

 

[Kinok Farang]

3 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I think there younger women are way better looking than ours.

I agree but they don't have much competition from our lot.

[Taboo2]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I'm certainly not about to apologise for the behavior of these utter morons who start problems - IMO they deserve a night in Police Cells to sober up and face legal penalties for their actions if there has been any property damage or others attacked etc.

 

However, your 'binary' approach will certainly label me as a 'Farang Apologist' for my next comment. 

 

As with anyone who attracts trouble here, the reaction of the Thai bounces escalates to extreme violence very quickly and IMO that is well beyond their remit as security. 

 

These bouncers were hardly hurt yet they managed to beat up this guy so severely he's hospitalised - they went beyond 'security measures' and turned into thugs.

 

I agree with comments that he 'had it coming'...  but the force used is excessive and plenty will use their 'binary approach' as mentioned above, to start throwing out labels ( farang apologist / Thai basher etc )...  dealing with a drunk and disorderly guy 'should' not result in him being hospitalised unless of course doing so is absolutely necessary for the safety of the bouncers and the customers, but we also don't live in that civilised world in Thailand.

 

That said, as also pointed out - these area's of Thailand also have enough of a reputation that anyone who visits such area's should know that if they behave aggressively and attract such attention they will be met with a physical and often violent response... they should have known better.

 

This is a case of uncivilised behavior is met with an uncivilised response - but IMO, just like Police bouncers should be held to a higher account.

 

Perhaps everyone (most) knowing that the response of bouncers is likely to be extreme physical and violent represses a lot of aggressive behavior and only extreme examples like this surface.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is a hint, please stop attacking the fists of Thai bouncers.  That is all.

[Gottfrid]

17 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

It will interest me to see how this thread unfolds.

Will we have the usual farang apologists out in force?

Or not, because he is Russian?

Lets see.

Yeah, you see, you were right Malcolm. It would have sounded different if it been a Brit.

[roo860]

Just now, Gottfrid said:

Yeah, you see, you were right Malcolm. It would have sounded different if it been a Brit.

🥱 

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

17 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

It will interest me to see how this thread unfolds.

Will we have the usual farang apologists out in force?

Or not, because he is Russian?

Lets see.

Yeah, you see, you were right Malcolm. It would have sounded different if it been a Brit.

 

If it were a Brit who'd got on stage, then acted aggressively to other punters such that they complained to staff...    then became violent with staff as they tried to extract him.... 

 

You'd see an equal level of disdain.... 

 

The nationality doesn't matter - the behavior does. 

As does what could be considered excessive force by the bounces.

 

[praguecr]

Is he in some sort of makeshift straight jacket?

[RickG16]

6 hours ago, Theforgotten1 said:

When I work security in my younger days we pushed people out of the bars , we never beat them or fought with them , the security guards here wait for an opportunity to beat people here ,and they beat them badly, 3 guards and they couldn’t just put him out the door without a beating ,bs.

You don't know what happened. If he was resisting and throwing punches at them, he was asking for a beating, and probably would've got one from many bouncers not just in Thailand. 

[richard_smith237]

27 minutes ago, RickG16 said:

You don't know what happened. If he was resisting and throwing punches at them, he was asking for a beating, and probably would've got one from many bouncers not just in Thailand. 

 

It maybe the fact that we are in Thailand that we are exposed to such news more, but there also exists the issues that bouncers have killed folk in the bars in what can only be described as 'thuggish over-reaction'... and far beyond doing their job in extracting people from a bar.

 

 

[RickG16]

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

It maybe the fact that we are in Thailand that we are exposed to such news more, but there also exists the issues that bouncers have killed folk in the bars in what can only be described as 'thuggish over-reaction'... and far beyond doing their job in extracting people from a bar.

 

 

Again, we don't know what happened. Neither bouncers or drunk Russian tourists have the best track record here. 

[NativeBob]

village thais are like rabid dogs - they are vicious when more than 2 and blood thirsty. 

[richard_smith237]

15 minutes ago, Taboo2 said:

32 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

It maybe the fact that we are in Thailand that we are exposed to such news more, but there also exists the issues that bouncers have killed folk in the bars in what can only be described as 'thuggish over-reaction'... and far beyond doing their job in extracting people from a bar.

 

 

Many news accounts in America of folks dying after fighting ex college football bouncers.

 

Valid points - I think the type of person such work attracts, lends to horrific outcomes once some of the 'outliers who are unable to control themselves' are triggered. 

 

Nightclubs and bars in Thailand are certainly no stranger such outcomes, I'm sure the same can be said of bars and clubs in many other countries - once the 'big thugs' are triggered the consequences can be devastating. 

 

Thats not to suggest the subject of this thread was not behaving terribly, more to agree with you that this behaviour may well have attracted a very heavy handed reaction anywhere. 

 

Nevertheless, putting someone in hospital is an excessive response, here or in any other nation. 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

Another point: 

 

The Thai guys are wearing 'normal clothes' they are not in any 'Security Uniform'... 

 

We're they really security ?... or local lads (MC riders etc) ready to step in if things get heated ?